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    Last Wednesday, as New Yorkers honored those killed by terrorist attacks a
    year earlier, some Arab and Muslim students arriving to study in the city
    were fingerprinted and photographed by immigration officials.

    This practice reflected a nationwide policy change intended to give federal
    immigration officials the ability to monitor foreign students and other
    temporary visitors from certain Muslim or Arab countries.

    The new restrictions are feeding the growing debate over whether the
    government is infringing on civil liberties, enhancing national security -
    or neither. Some contend the policy merely piles administrative burdens on
    an already overtaxed system, making it more difficult for officials to find
    individuals with suspected terrorist ties.

    Under the new policy, which took effect Sept. 11, a successful applicant
    for a visa may be fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed at his port
    of entry, and his prints checked against a criminal database - particularly
    if the visitor is a male 18 to 45 and from a country thought by the State
    Department to pose an elevated risk.

    He will be required to check in again with the Immigration and
    Naturalization Service in person after 30 days and again in a year, and he
    must notify the agency within 10 days if he moves.

    Once the student arrives on campus, his school will enter more personal
    information into a database that is supposed to be in place by early next year.

    The idea of a system that keeps track of everything from photographs to
    course completion is likened by some students to Big Brother.

    "I'm not against fingerprinting," said Ali Hashmi, a New York University
    student who grew up in Saudi Arabia and has a Pakistani passport. "But each
    little step raises the question of what's next? It seems like it's getting
    closer and closer to a police state."

    Asim Ghafoor, a Muslim who works as a spokesperson for Islamic charities,
    also finds the new approach disquieting.

    "I've told my relatives to think twice about coming here to study," said
    Ghafoor. "We should be rolling out the red carpet for these students, not
    rolling out something out of Orwell."

    Up close, some experts say, the policy does not represent the
    all-encompassing efficiency and control in the dystopian novel "1984."

    The first loophole is the limited number of countries covered by the new
    regulations.

    The requirements that visitors be fingerprinted and monitored by the INS
    will initially apply to citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria,
    along with possibly other countries that have residents who pose "a
    national security threat."

    It's a list, though, that might exclude U.S.-friendly nations where
    terrorists may live, such as Germany and England.

    "We should be fingerprinting all visitors," said Mark Kirkorian, director
    of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that advocates stronger
    immigration controls. "Otherwise there's no point."

    The second problem is whether the INS has the capacity to process all the
    documents filed by the students. On Aug. 3, the agency announced it had a
    backlog of 2 million documents, and had put many records in storage because
    it did not have the capacity to review them.

    The agency will receive a substantial increase to its budget this year, but
    the money will be allocated mainly toward hiring border patrol agents and
    inspectors, not processing data, according to INS spokeswoman Danielle Sheahan.

    Another concern raised by immigration experts is whether students who
    violate any of the new regulations will be punished.

    In theory, if a student fails to check in or drops out, a warrant can be
    issued for his arrest. However, most offenders will not likely be actively
    pursued, but rather will have their information entered into a database
    available to law enforcement agencies.

    This apparently means that many offenders would be arrested only if the
    database were cross-checked when an offender is pulled over for, say, a
    driving offense or involved in a crime.

    "This is a great symbolic move, and it's good press," said Douglas Rivlin
    of the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigration group. "But it's not
    good police work."

    The INS says the additional requirements may not prevent terrorism, but
    they will give authorities a valuable set of data in the event of trouble.

    "These changes probably would not have stopped the Sept. 11 hijackers,"
    said Sheahan. "However, we would have known a lot more about them."

  • #2
    Last Wednesday, as New Yorkers honored those killed by terrorist attacks a
    year earlier, some Arab and Muslim students arriving to study in the city
    were fingerprinted and photographed by immigration officials.

    This practice reflected a nationwide policy change intended to give federal
    immigration officials the ability to monitor foreign students and other
    temporary visitors from certain Muslim or Arab countries.

    The new restrictions are feeding the growing debate over whether the
    government is infringing on civil liberties, enhancing national security -
    or neither. Some contend the policy merely piles administrative burdens on
    an already overtaxed system, making it more difficult for officials to find
    individuals with suspected terrorist ties.

    Under the new policy, which took effect Sept. 11, a successful applicant
    for a visa may be fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed at his port
    of entry, and his prints checked against a criminal database - particularly
    if the visitor is a male 18 to 45 and from a country thought by the State
    Department to pose an elevated risk.

    He will be required to check in again with the Immigration and
    Naturalization Service in person after 30 days and again in a year, and he
    must notify the agency within 10 days if he moves.

    Once the student arrives on campus, his school will enter more personal
    information into a database that is supposed to be in place by early next year.

    The idea of a system that keeps track of everything from photographs to
    course completion is likened by some students to Big Brother.

    "I'm not against fingerprinting," said Ali Hashmi, a New York University
    student who grew up in Saudi Arabia and has a Pakistani passport. "But each
    little step raises the question of what's next? It seems like it's getting
    closer and closer to a police state."

    Asim Ghafoor, a Muslim who works as a spokesperson for Islamic charities,
    also finds the new approach disquieting.

    "I've told my relatives to think twice about coming here to study," said
    Ghafoor. "We should be rolling out the red carpet for these students, not
    rolling out something out of Orwell."

    Up close, some experts say, the policy does not represent the
    all-encompassing efficiency and control in the dystopian novel "1984."

    The first loophole is the limited number of countries covered by the new
    regulations.

    The requirements that visitors be fingerprinted and monitored by the INS
    will initially apply to citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria,
    along with possibly other countries that have residents who pose "a
    national security threat."

    It's a list, though, that might exclude U.S.-friendly nations where
    terrorists may live, such as Germany and England.

    "We should be fingerprinting all visitors," said Mark Kirkorian, director
    of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that advocates stronger
    immigration controls. "Otherwise there's no point."

    The second problem is whether the INS has the capacity to process all the
    documents filed by the students. On Aug. 3, the agency announced it had a
    backlog of 2 million documents, and had put many records in storage because
    it did not have the capacity to review them.

    The agency will receive a substantial increase to its budget this year, but
    the money will be allocated mainly toward hiring border patrol agents and
    inspectors, not processing data, according to INS spokeswoman Danielle Sheahan.

    Another concern raised by immigration experts is whether students who
    violate any of the new regulations will be punished.

    In theory, if a student fails to check in or drops out, a warrant can be
    issued for his arrest. However, most offenders will not likely be actively
    pursued, but rather will have their information entered into a database
    available to law enforcement agencies.

    This apparently means that many offenders would be arrested only if the
    database were cross-checked when an offender is pulled over for, say, a
    driving offense or involved in a crime.

    "This is a great symbolic move, and it's good press," said Douglas Rivlin
    of the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigration group. "But it's not
    good police work."

    The INS says the additional requirements may not prevent terrorism, but
    they will give authorities a valuable set of data in the event of trouble.

    "These changes probably would not have stopped the Sept. 11 hijackers,"
    said Sheahan. "However, we would have known a lot more about them."

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    • #3
      It is good for our country govt. is monitoring these muslims.If they do'nt like ,do'nt come we do'nt need you anyway here

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      • #4
        Why do all the arabs want to come to US? Why don't they go to UK or Australia or Europe?

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        • #5
          To
          Bushmaster
          Because U S is heaven for getting funds,Most of the muslims who live in U S provide funding to these terrorist groups.
          couple years ago Middle eastern two teachers were caught in University of South florida
          for collecting funds for terrorist groups .

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          • #6
            Yep, I see...

            Plus to that, they continue to live like they used to in their primitive countries, they never learn the language, they have no support to American community, they live in their arab community...

            Of course we don't want them, they are trying to change this beautiful nation...

            I still can't understand, the US is not against Islam religion, we have nothing to do with Islam. What are those terrorists' problems? Oh, we are a super power and we control the balance of power on the world, our military is the top military... Simply, we are the police of the world... So be it, big deal... If there was no US controlling this world, I wonder would there be any peace?

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            • #7
              Dear Bushmaster, after reading your post, I realize that your head is in so deep inside the anal sphincter of Uncle_Sam_USA, all that you see and hear and feel is pure stinking feces! Kudos on your scatological zen state!

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              • #8
                To
                BUSHMASTER
                Here we go ,how fast we can find terrorist supporter ,Dude like people are cancer cells for us,need to be treated soon otherwise we will be sufferer.

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                • #9
                  Yep, I see them, and I ignore them... Let them live in their own hatred.. It will eat em up...

                  I have no doubt they will be treated soon... our country is STRONG!

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                  • #10
                    Tb, I don't blame you for having your voice heard, not much of Americans would do that, I admire you for that.tb, can you deport usc, he hates immigrants and he wants to creates new law. he is an immigrant who can't spell lol.usc, do yourself a favor and learn how to spell, and then take a hike.

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                    • #11
                      I as a Christian who lives in America welcome the Muslims who come here to educate themselves in the World greatest country. But I agree that since September 11 we need to keep a close eye on Muslims who come to our land we hold so dear.

                      The Muslim religion and the Christian religion (True Christianity) just will never come to an agreement. If you love Jesus then you must say HE is the One and Only Savior of the World. And if you are true Muslim this is blasphemy and must be done away with through a Holy War.

                      The United States is hated because we are free to Worship the way we think is best for us. You could never go to some of the Countries in the Middle East, Parts of Africa, and some of the countries in former USSR and worship as we do and not be killed or at the least persecuted.

                      So for the Muslims students who come to this country I want to say welcome, but understand this is a free land and if that means we have to monitor you to keep it a free land we will.

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                      • #12
                        All foreign students should be monitored as well as Muslims. There are too many immigrants who have come to go to school and are here even if they've dropped out or completed their schooling. At that point, there is no way to find them and their visas have expired. This country cannot operate expecting immigrants to do as agreed when they enter, even though they know their stay is conditional and not supposed to be permanent. We should be concerned about all of them, not just Muslims, or our system is left to chaos and it cannot work

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                        • #13
                          All right, Bob, it is clear you are an idiot!! NO ONE'S "WHITE" ANCESTORS came here for a BETTER LIFE. They came to BUILD America - NOT to get FREE HANDOUTS or to COMPLAIN about America and America's citizens!! The were GRATEFUL to be here and EAGER to make AMERICA a better place -- not the other way around! They left their families BACK HOME and they COULD NOT COME if they had nothing to OFFER! They also COULD NOT COME if they had nothing but a BIG MOUTH -- OR they were SENT BACK HOME - like you should be! You need to GET YOUR FACTS straight before buying into the garbage that spills out! I repeat: NO IMMIGRANT CAME HERE and received FREE MEDICAL TREATMENT, FREE FOOD, or FREE ANYTHING! NO IMMIGRANT COST AMERICA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! AND NO IMMIGRANT CAME ILLEGALLY or they were IMMEDIATELY BOOTED OUT!

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                          • #14
                            So let me see....They were just sitting sipping on some tea and just decided<hey why don't we go and build america??>.Interestin,well I guess we have to rewrite history then!
                            How about all the decents,God-fearing,hard working immigrants in america.The one that work their whole life without getting any "free handouts".The one that work legally to pay for your social security benefits.Did you ever mention those and say <thank you>??.How about the one that serve the country and put their life on the line day after day for sorry asses like you!
                            <They could not come here if they had nothing to offer>???Says who??the indian??!!I forgot,they had no saying in that any way.
                            <The were GRATEFUL to be here and EAGER to make AMERICA a better place>.So are most of todays immigrants.That is why they work hard every day.
                            Some not all immigrants get free benefit from the government.Hell in tx they can't even get food stamp(if I'm correct)legal or not let alone free medical treatment(which I believe any human being has the right to anyway!)
                            Immigrants might( i said might) cost billions but they also bring billions to the economy.So please go whine somewhere else and quit blaming immigrants for everything!
                            I'm not going to lie:I'm an immigrant and there is no day that passes by that I don't thank God for being here.I came here legally and stayed legally.I feel sorry for people like you that always go and blame foreigners for everything!
                            Plus please learn how to express yourself.I know you ain't got nothing but you GED but come on you can do it...You can make coherents phrases if you put your heart into it.Things like<NO IMMIGRANT CAME HERE and received FREE MEDICAL TREATMENT, FREE FOOD, or FREE ANYTHING! NO IMMIGRANT COST AMERICA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! AND NO IMMIGRANT CAME ILLEGALLY or they were IMMEDIATELY BOOTED OUT!>??What the hell did you mean??My 13 years old son can do better than that!
                            I'm not preaching for illegal immigration.I'm ready to bear arm to defend this contry if I'm asked to.I'm just tired of being blame for everything that is wrong in the society just because I'm not born here,speak with and accent and my skin color is darker than others.Go blame someone else!!!!

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                            • #15
                              If you are here legally, working legally, have no false IDs, drive with an authentic D/L, file your tax returns, obey the law, have an honest work record, live by the rules, and would volunteer militarily......then, you have nothing to squawk about.

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