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    can my friend use SSN which is bought to open account and buy insurance ? he BOUGHT a SSN.

    thanks a lot

  • #2

    can my friend use SSN which is bought to open account and buy insurance ? he BOUGHT a SSN.

    thanks a lot


    • #3
      How did he buy that? Is it an authentic or a fake one? How much did he pay for it ?


      • #4
        it is fake one, can he using it to open accout and buy insurance and save money?


        • #5
          the sooner you destroy that fake ID the better for yuo as the possession of it alone you could be in jail and deported.


          • #6
            If you buy an SSN you cannot use it.


            • #7
              Americans caught with a false SSC go to jail. They then have a criminal record. Next time they commit even a misdemeanor, it counts as double against them. Third time is equal to a felony.

              Immigrants caught with a false SSC are deported.


              • #8
                False Soc Sec, actually no, if you possess a fraudulent SSN you are not doind a crime, if you use it to obtain employment, perhaps. Only when you enter it fraudulently on government forms, it is that you have lied and can be prosecuted.


                • #9
                  Use of another's social security card to work and establish credit in the United States, in violation of 42 U.S.C. S 408(a)(7)(B) (1988), and 18 U.S.C. § 1546(b)(3), did not constitute crimes involving moral turpitude, so as to disqualify the applicant from establishing good moral character on a registry application.

                  [Beltran-Tirado v. INS, 213 F.3d 1179 (9th Cir. 2000)]

                  The Court based its ruling on legislative history and the fact that the Beltran-Tirado's use of the social security number was to "engage in otherwise lawful conduct." When Congress exempted from prosecution for these offenses those who had already been granted amnesty or registry, by enacting 42 U.S.C. § 408(d), it indicated a belief that this conduct was not turpitudinous. See H.R. Conf. Rep. No. 101-964, at 948 (1990), reprinted in 1990 U.S.Code, Cong.and Admin.News 2374, 2653.

                  Moreover, the conduct penalized in these statutes was "malum prohibitum", rather than "malum in se." This reasoning applies, as well, to a number of other criminal offenses, but has some exclusions as well. Congress was careful to exclude from the exemption those "who used a false social security number for otherwise illegal activity such as bank fraud or drug trafficking . . . ." [Conference Report at 948, 1990 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 2653.]

                  Also excluded were aliens "who sold social security cards, possessed social security cards with intent to sell, possessed counterfeit social security cards with intent to sell or counterfeited social security cards with intent to sell." [see 42 U.S.C. S 408(d)(2)]


                  • #10
                    But still it is a crime, isn't it?


                    • #11
                      Use of a false SSN is a crime/


                      • #12
                        If he/she uses a fake SSN to buy insurance, isn't he running the risk of the insurance company backing out on the policy if he/she ever needs it? It is a crime to obtain employment with a fake SSN. Bugsy is right - get rid of the thing - and using it at all, not just on gov't forms - is illegal.


                        • #13
                          In 1981, Congress amended the misdemeanor provisions of the Act, making Social Security fraud (including SSN misuse) a felony, punishable by 5 years in prison and a fine up to $5,000.
                          (See 1981 Amendments. Pub. L. 97-123).

                          The SSA felony fraud statute, cited as 42 U.S.C. § 408(a)(1)-(8), contains the Social Security Act's primary criminal provisions. The statute, set forth below in pertinent part, comprehensively spells out restraints on fraud by specifying requirements for disclosure of specific events, and by identifying facts that affect the right to payment of SSA benefits.

                          In general

                          Whoever -

                          (7) for the purpose of causing an increase in any payment authorized under this subchapter (or any other program financed in whole or in part from federal funds), or for the purpose of causing a payment under this subchapter (or any such other program) to be made when no payment is authorized thereunder, or for the purpose of obtaining (for himself or any other person) any payment or any other benefit to which he (or such other person) is not entitled, or for the purpose of obtaining anything of value from any person , or for any other purpose (emphasis added)

                          (A) willfully, knowingly, and with intent to deceive, uses a social security account number, assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security (in the exercise of the Commissioner's authority under § 405(c)(2)(A) of this title to establish and maintain records) on the basis of false information furnished to the Commissioner of Social Security by him or by any other person;

                          (B) with intent to deceive, falsely represents a number to be the social security account number assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security to him or to another person, when in fact such number is not the social security account number assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security to him or to such other person;

                          (C) knowingly alters a social security card issued by the Commissioner of Social Security, buys or sells a card that is, or purports to be, a card so issued, counterfeits a social security card, or possesses a social security card or counterfeit social security card with intent to sell or alter it.

                          An individual who wrongfully uses or misrepresents a social security number can also face criminal penalties under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, which makes it a criminal offense to make false statements in any matter under the jurisdiction of any federal department or agency of the United States. Thus, in any instance where an individual has misused or misrepresented a social security number on a document presented to any federal department or agency, two separate felonies may be charged using 42 U.S.C. § 408(a)(7)(B) and 18 U.S.C. § 1001, respectively. Similarly, a person who uses or provides counterfeit social security number cards can be charged with violations of both 42 U.S.C. § 408(a)(7)(C) and 18 U.S.C. § 1028(a)(6) and (7), which prohibit the knowing transfer of stolen or false identification documents.

                          The same misuse of social security numbers can be applied to other forms of fraud and misrepresentation with respect to government documents, including false attestations and/or statements made to employers on I-9 forms for the purpose of satisfying a requirement of § 274A(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(b), and false statements made on applications for FAA security badges, passports, visas, or asylum applications. See 18 U.S.C. § 1546(b)(2) and (3).

                          A person convicted of a violation of § 408(a)(7) is guilty of a Class D felony, and will be fined or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Because most terrorist suspects have engaged in some form of SSN misuse, identity theft, or immigration fraud, prosecutors generally prefer charging social security number misuse under § 408(a)(7)(B). This section provides prosecutors with a reliable and convenient means of charging and detaining individuals suspected of terror-related activities.


                          • #14
                            I dont know your situation or where you come from or antyhing. But if honest people can wait the normal period and go by the law to obtain the ssn# then so can you. It is because of you that honest immigrants have to go though the security checks and waiting periods. Get rid of it and do it right, that way you know you can apply for anything and not worry about it.


                            • #15
                              I agree with the last guest. The more the shady activity, the more the delays and the extra checks. Because of so many sham marriages (especially due to 245i), the INS has multiple checks and balances on marriage applications and multiple checks on top of those. All kinds of time limits, dates, and proofs required to answer the real marriage criteria.

                              So it's not just for suspecting false SSNs, it's for marriages too, and many other claims to verify and double check before they can be approved.


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