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    Having trawled through various websites and been faced with information overload, I thought I might put it to the panel...

    I'm a British citizen but my partner is American. At present I am at medical school and will graduate with a UK medical degree in 2006. I am trying to investigate how doable it would be for me to then work as a hospital surgeon in the US with a view to permanent residency, possibly in California or Texas but not sure. I know I'd have to take the USMLE but beyond that it all seems a bit convoluted.

    Getting in on the basis of my partner is somewhat out of the question, unless the USA's laws change dramatically. So I am left with the work route. My specific questions are: roughly how long would the whole process take (after I graduate)? What are the hoops that I'd have to jump through, in plain English? How much would it be likely to cost? And how would being foreign affect my choice of specialties to work in?

    If anyone knows the answers, has more general advice, or has been in a similar situation, I'd be very grateful to get replies.

    Rachel

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    Having trawled through various websites and been faced with information overload, I thought I might put it to the panel...

    I'm a British citizen but my partner is American. At present I am at medical school and will graduate with a UK medical degree in 2006. I am trying to investigate how doable it would be for me to then work as a hospital surgeon in the US with a view to permanent residency, possibly in California or Texas but not sure. I know I'd have to take the USMLE but beyond that it all seems a bit convoluted.

    Getting in on the basis of my partner is somewhat out of the question, unless the USA's laws change dramatically. So I am left with the work route. My specific questions are: roughly how long would the whole process take (after I graduate)? What are the hoops that I'd have to jump through, in plain English? How much would it be likely to cost? And how would being foreign affect my choice of specialties to work in?

    If anyone knows the answers, has more general advice, or has been in a similar situation, I'd be very grateful to get replies.

    Rachel

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    • #3
      Why is getting in on the basis of your partner out of the question? Or, is this a non-traditional type of relationship (i.e. same s e x) whereby the U.S. would not recognize a formal union?

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      • #4
        Same *** indeed... just didn't want to throw that straight in there (no pun intended) as I've had trouble with it on discussion boards in the past. But I'm sure you lot are all lovely lovely people.

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        • #5
          Hi Rass,

          Greetings. Well about same s*x ... that will be hard for immigration purpose but about your medical career...

          First of all you will have to take step 1 and step 2. After clearing that before there was CSA ( Clinical Skill Assessment) but now starting from this year they canceled this one and put it as step 2 ( clinical part) so its almost the same... and they canceled TOEFL also.. But as per your post you don't need it, as you are a native English speaker...

          After step 1 and step 2 (theoretical part) you will have to apply for step 2 clinical part ...for that you need a visa, but I guess you can always have an opportunity of visa waiver program as you are a Brit.

          About residency match and chances of getting into surgery is really hard for foreign medical graduates ... and they do partiality in this even if you get very good score like 99 % ... so probably it will be hard for you to get into surgery, ortho, radio, skin and VD ... these are some examples ... but we don't know how the trend is going to change in next 2-3 years... so lets hope for the best....

          My advice is you should take elective part of your internship in US Hospitals and then do externship / observer ship / mini residency in surgery if you are very much interested in it...that will give you much weight in your ERAS application ... but that's just a try no 100 % guarantee ...and then you should apply in the same hospital through ERAS where you will be doing your externship ... make good relationship with director and senior residents ... that might increase your chances for getting into surgery ...

          For more info on USMLE visit websites ...

          www.ecfmg.org
          www.usmle.org

          And one very good website where there is medical forum and you can ask doctors, med students, residents any questions is

          www.usmle.net

          Wish you all the best...Pasha

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          • #6
            One more thing forgot to tell you...

            If you wanna apply in California then you need approval / temporary license from state board ... so always keep that in mind for future...as it will take about 2 months to get one and if you don't have that in time, you cant apply for residency program in California ... other states don't need it... Good luck...Pasha

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            • #7
              One more thing I want to tell you that might be helpful in your case...

              If you want to enter US on work (residency) then after doing all that stuff in my previous post ... when you start getting your residency interviews after applying through ERAS ... you will have 2 options for visa ... J1 and H1B

              If possible go for H1B. About that you need to ask every coordinator in hospitals where you apply ... and you might wanna pay them 1000 $$$ for expedite procedure for H1B also coz its worth ... than getting J1...

              I know you got a long way yet to go before this moment arrives but if you want IMG ( International Medical Graduates) friendly Hospitals list you can give me your e mail and I will provide it to you... Have a good day...Pasha

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              • #8
                You got excellent information from Dr. Patel already, also consider to settle in a rural area hospital (instead of metropolitan), that will increase your visa to be approved. Good luck!

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                • #9
                  Rass,

                  Well yes, I am quite lovely thanks. Can't you tell by my picture (a little hairy in spots but pretty attractive I would say).

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                  • #10
                    we specialize in placing health care workers, getting them sponsors and providing assistance with their visa needs... if you are interested send me your e mail ad

                    good luck

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                    • #11
                      Many thanks - very helpful!

                      I am very set on surgery and have been for a long time. Alas. (Othopaedics I could certainly consider..)

                      Meanwhile, I have the following possibility - although I can't get into the US on the basis of my gf, she CAN get into the UK on it. But I'd need to live with her for two years first. So what I was thinking is that I could maybe do two years as a junior Dr in the US and then she and I could return to the UK. Obviously I'd still need the USMLE, but this plan would merely put back my UK training by a couple of years so doesn't prevent me from realising my surgical ambitions.

                      I'm guessing this would make me an intern in the US? Or a resident? Not sure. And I could do somethign related to surgery or similar (for example, ideally I'd like to be a cardiothoracic surgeon, so maybe I could do a couple of years of Cardiology in the US?).

                      In the UK, when we are house officers (the equivalent of interns/more junior residents), we do a series of 6 month jobs rotating through various specialites related to where we want to eventually train as a specialist. How does it work at the junior level in the US? Do you rotate about or does one stick to one specialty in that time?

                      sphyra - delightful hair, I have to say..

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                      • #12
                        Hi Rass,

                        You have very high ambitions ... I am glad to know about it, but for that ( Cardio-thoracic Surgeon) you will have to go to medical school in USA .... They don't give this kind of opportunities to foreign medical graduates .... Sorry but its bitter truth ... Good luck...Pasha

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                        • #13
                          Rass,

                          One more thing I want to tell you is .... It will not make you resident ... for doing initial 2 years you will have to study here in medical school .... Otherwise probably it will be hard for you to get into it .... Now the best thing I see in your case ... only one option that will cover your both wishes ... pass MCAT and get admission in US medical school here... sure you will have to take loan for financial matter but you can pay it off in one year only once you will be done with your residency and start working as a surgeon...

                          That will open your horizon for cardio – thoracic surgeon or ortho or whatever you like ... and bring you close to your GF ... my credentials are real good...I could have gone in any specialty if I went to school here... but I can't get into surgery ... coz I m a foreign medical graduate .... So its up to you... if u wanna go in particular specialty then you must go to med school here in US ... no exception at all... be it UK or some med college from Africa ...

                          I hope you find this information useful .... Good luck...Pasha

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                          • #14
                            yeah! i'm lovely!!!

                            -= nav =-

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