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    Guest replied
    Juju - as always I am with you 100%. A grassroots effort is exactly what is needed along with awareness of the situation!!!!!

    elections here are just ending, but maybe with any luck we can make this an issue by the next election (2 years)... tell me what you think we need to do. I have written a letter to my congressperson and sent out emails to my friends asking them to do the same.

    I am willing to do anything else that is necessary... and frankly, if by the end of next year, I don't have word about our waiver or hear that it was turned down, there is a very good chance that I will handcuff myself to the fence surrounding the white house (and I am not completely joking.)

    Maybe we can organize a demonstration?????

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    To Visitor: Who the --ck are you to decide which laws are "reality" and which aren't? If you are part of a modern society that establishes rules and laws via an elected body and yet you feel you should get to decide which laws to obey, well, get the --ck out of the US. You are too stupid to be here. Have you no pride in America? (if you are a citizen - what a ghastly thought)
    You are missing the boat completely.
    If 260 million Americans decided tomorrow to obey only the laws they liked, and ignored or broke others, well, I hope they start by breaking and entering your house, stealing all of your stuff, and whatever else they feel like doing while you do what???? Call the police? Why? These people are just breaking the laws they don't believe are right so what are you going to do about it?
    What a moron you are. Consider moving to Antarctica or maybe another planet and begin your own hopeless society.
    If you don't like the laws we have, then write your elected officials - you do NOT, repeat NOT have the right to break the laws you do not believe in without penalty.
    I hope the overstayers and illegal workers arrive at your workplace, steal your job (though it is hard to imagine what kind of job an idiot could have) and move into your house, and eat your food, and maybe drive your car around without insurance and cause an accident - sticking you with the bill.

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    KBB, well said! Very realistic! I do not know however why you are saying your husband will need a waiver - if you're an USC he can apply for green card immediately even if he has overstayed his visa.

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    I guess I disagree, atleast partially, with every poster in this thread so far.

    I believe that any law which defies reality is completely effete and should not be followed. The 3/10 year bar is one of those laws. To obey a law against reality is immoral. Those who advocate that one should obey all laws, regardless of whether the laws are grounded in reality and common sense (eg the laws against murder, theft, etc) or whether the laws are completely irrational (eg antitrust law, most of immigration law, etc) are not just wrong, they are advocating immorality.

    I salute those who overstay their visas in defiance of the 3/10 year bar, and salute even more those who enter without inspection. America needs immigrants who are willing to take risks to stay here. Those who are willing to obey laws blindly just because some fools in Congress voted some garbage into law should be deported. And so should every US born citizen who supports such crazy laws.

    I guess my position above is a little extreme, but that is necessary to make my main point - just because some nonsense acquires the title of "law" when a bunch of buffoons in Congress vote for it, does not make it right to follow that "law" nor to support that "law". The only moral course is to oppose such "law".

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    Tell me where "Arab" is and I'll think about it.

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    TO guest
    GOOD WORK ! FOR TEACHING THAT WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHICH HAS LAWS IT IS NOT A ARABIC COUNTRY
    IF SHE LOVES HIM SO MUCH WHY DOES SHE NOT MOVE WITH HIM TO ARAB

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    maybe you think we should repeal those laws that say it is a crime to use a fake passport? maybe you think we should repeal all laws altogether? so you are saying that we should have a rule that if a person uses a fake passport and overstays a fake visa, why, we should make that person a US citizen immediately? Why punish crimes when we can reward them? What a concept.

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    I think this law could be repealed, or modified, with a serious and organized graa-roots campaign. Even the lawmakers believe that it is unduly harsh. Many people deserve a second chance. Whoever doesn't agree with me, that's up to you. But I am speaking to the ones who do. We must raise our voices to be heard.
    Bringing back 245i would not help the people already forced out and their USC spouses and children. What about them?

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    I have no axe to grind with anyone of you. I just don't have respect for people who think that they should be given exemptions when they themselves put their self in a 'bad' BUT avoidable situation.

    juju, The local news took the law on the 3/10 ban seriously because of the considerable number of immigrants in this country. As I said, even the embassies where notified. INS has a website, it has the laws, forms and most everything else. Law websites probably raised red flags all over the place. You're on the discussion group, have internet acces, need I say more? And to answer your question about cable, I don't have one, I used the internet to read about it, even the CNN ones. I am a voracious reader, it's scary.

    Families of people I know cannot come here because the US consulate is so strict they just refuse to go through the hassle of applying for a tourist visa. Why? oh, because of the ones they did grant visas, the people overstayed and are hiding somewhere over the rainbow, so to speak.

    Lucky? me? yes, I'm lucky I have legal status, but it's because I spent a considerable amount of effort to avoid breaking any laws. And mind you, it did not take one day or a week, it took me months to plan out what I need to do for my future.

    Put it this way, I'm not going to London and drive on the right side of the road, EVER!

    I'm signing out for good.

    Juju I wish you would see how unfair life is, but it's because people mess with it.

    Guest, thanks for seeing my side. Good luck to you as well.

    To the ones who are waiting for their loved ones to come over here, good luck!

    Arivederci

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    To Spicysweet: Overstaying is not an "error." A person is not likely to "forget" to return when they are supposed to; that decision is a concious one.

    To KBB: Perhaps I should have used the phrase "...might have developed a relationship..."; I was speaking hypothetically about your situation, not from a position of absolute knowledge.
    The point of it all is your husband now wants to obey a different rule or law; that of possibly receiving a waiver. This one he is all for obeying whereas the others he was not. This sounds like selective compliance; that is not what a tourist visa is for -- to pick and choose the laws or rules one wants to obey or not.
    I have heard that this sort of thing only complicates matters in a particular country for those other people seeking a visa.
    Another thing I have heard is something like this: suppose your husband does get his waiver and a green card, and then someday wants to invite his parents or siblings over for a visit...and the embassy will have long ago figured out that your husband did not return when he was supposed to and may assume that he is trying to bring the rest of the family over and away from a bad situation...what is going to happen if their visas are denied? Is your husband going to write a letter saying "Gee, I promise they will obey the rules..."...where is his credibility?
    From what I have heard, the cumulative effect of people overstaying, working illegally, etc on tourist visas just makes things worse for the fellow countrymen (and women) of the particular country he/she is from. But does the overstayer/illegal worker care? I wonder.

    I am not saying that I have all the answers; I do not. But I do wonder why people who don't tell the truth and don't do what they say and break our laws expect to be given special benefits. It only rewards behavior that would be unacceptable in many parts of our society.

    If one lied in a court of law and was discovered, imagine the penalty. If you told your boss you were going to do something and didn't, what might be the repercussions? If you went to a foreign country and broke their laws, what do you think might happen to you? Do you think that a foreign country would give you a big prize for doing so? Would you expect a foreign country to do so?

    From much of what I have read on this discussion board, it seems like a lot of people think that visas and rules are just some kind of game and are not to be taken seriously. What a sad commentary that is.

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    No more!
    The crap rolls out your mouth again
    Haven't changed, your brain is still gelatin
    Little whispers circle around your head
    Why don't you worry about yourself instead

    Who are you? where ya been? where ya from?
    Gossip is burning on the tip of your tongue
    You lie so much you believe yourself
    Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

    Before you judge me take a look at you
    Can't you find somethig better to do
    Point the finger, slow to understand
    Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand

    It's not who you are it's who you know
    Others lives are the basis of your own
    Burn your bridges build them back with wealth
    Judge not lest ye be judged yourself

    Holier than thou
    You are
    Holier than thou
    You are

    You know NOT!

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    I think a lot of you ppl are right but why is it that i was ready somevery negitive things from other ppl blaming some for overstaying there visa..welll no one is perfict...A us citizen has the right to be with there spouse in my opion. There are alot of good ppl that overstay there visa's i don't feel we should ban them from our country for three or ten years. we are all human pron to error. I think this law is very unfair alot of ppl do not know it is even there unless they do alot of reserch.

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    To Guest:
    As I said in my previous post, my husband knew of the penalties for overstaying his visa, and he overstayed anyway. However, he is not seeking a reward for having overstayed his visa in violation of US law. Under the law, my husband is entitled to have the 10-year bar to admission waived if I, his US citizen spouse, can show that this bar will cause me extreme hardship.

    I shared my husband's story because I thought it would be beneficial to a discussion of the overstay penalties to know why some people overstay, not to excuse what he did. It's easy to say what some third party could have or should have done at a given time (for example, without knowing when, where, or how we met, you said that my husband could have established a relationship with me, returned to his country when he was supposed to, and waited while I petitioned for him). When you're the one making the decision, you learn that it's not always that simple.

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    although i did not overstay long enough to qualify for the 3/10 year ban, i still overstayed and was refused entry into the states, im married to a USC and we were returning from our honeymoon when it happenned, i had applied for an extension on my waiver before i married my husband but the INS claimed they 'lost it', resulting in my overstay, it has caused my family a huge amount of pain and stress, i can understand how these familys feel, i also understand about the law, although the INS officer at the POE said it was only paper law, whatever that was supposed to mean, but still i broke the law and i as well as many others are paying dearly for it. I do think 10 years is a little harsh, and i hope someday someone will look into it and wonder how they would feel being seperated from their familys.. good luck to you all

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    KBB,
    Thank you for sharing. It is a very hard choice to make - leave your life and everything here, or break your vow to your spouse. How sad. People who sell crack, rape women, or molest children get less of a sentence than those only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. I don't think that most of the immigrants who come or stay here illegally have any malicous intent to cause harm to the US or its government. I truly believe, no, I KNOW, that many of these people who come here from third-world countries don't know about this harsh sentence. Most don't have the means to stay abreast of what the Congress in the US does.

    I'm not saying that people should be able to break the law and get off scott-free. I can see three years, or even five years. Wouldn't that be enough? I am a public school teacher about to go back for my masters to become a principal. I have two children here. My parents are aging, and I am all they have. If I had known about these unreasonable laws, I would have sent him home earlier. None of us knew. Not an excuse, I know, but the hardship it is causing and will cause is unbearable. Who is it helping to tear my husband away from me? My family? Hardly. It is very hard for them to see me in such pain and not be able to help. My students? Ofcourse not. The quality of my teaching and planning has dropped significantly since all this came about. The eneergy, vigor, and patience needed to keep these children interested and on track is very hard to muster. The hours and hours I would have spent planning for them, I have spent researching immigration law. They certainly will not benefit if I leave the country! How can I help my community from Kuwait?? OK. So I'll help the kids in Kuwait if the US doesn't want me. How does that help our country?

    Best wishes to all who are having their hearts torn out. Pray for compassion.


    Mischa,
    Who can afford cable? Certainly not me. I'm just a lowly public servant, with a huge college loan debt. You are more fortunate than most.

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