Lying on N400 isn't a crime?

[Robin Horton]

Thought everyone would like to know that SonofMichael thinks that it is unreasonable to think that to lie ten times on the N400 application isn't an immigrations or ICE issue.

Interesting then who's problem would it be?

If we don't make people accountable for their lies then why have a justice system at all?

You wake up years into your marriage and find out that the person beside you isn't a real person but a made up identity.

Don't worry Son maybe you don't have a God but I'm still holding on to the face that he is real and exist.

Again I was a fool to believe! I have already admitted to being stupid. So guess I'm guilty again.

For those who understand please keep my children in your prayers. for those who want to live in a country where laws punish the guilty and protect the victims please pray. For those who wish to help others who made one or two mistakes that could tragically hurt their chances of remaining in this country continue to help them on this forum. One or two mistakes we've all made but not 9 years of lies, over 20 documents that are fraudulent, abuse which is my fault because we are responsible for how we allow others to treat us that is why I didn't bring it up in court or with ICE because for that I am truly to blame and shameful that I made my daughter my protector.

[Robin Horton]

Thought everyone would like to know that SonofMichael thinks that it is unreasonable to think that to lie ten times on the N400 application isn't an immigrations or ICE issue.

Interesting then who's problem would it be?

If we don't make people accountable for their lies then why have a justice system at all?

You wake up years into your marriage and find out that the person beside you isn't a real person but a made up identity.

Don't worry Son maybe you don't have a God but I'm still holding on to the face that he is real and exist.

Again I was a fool to believe! I have already admitted to being stupid. So guess I'm guilty again.

For those who understand please keep my children in your prayers. for those who want to live in a country where laws punish the guilty and protect the victims please pray. For those who wish to help others who made one or two mistakes that could tragically hurt their chances of remaining in this country continue to help them on this forum. One or two mistakes we've all made but not 9 years of lies, over 20 documents that are fraudulent, abuse which is my fault because we are responsible for how we allow others to treat us that is why I didn't bring it up in court or with ICE because for that I am truly to blame and shameful that I made my daughter my protector.

[4now]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
Thought everyone would like to know that SonofMichael thinks that it is unreasonable to think that to lie ten times on the N400 application isn't an immigrations or ICE issue.

Interesting then who's problem would it be?

If we don't make people accountable for their lies then why have a justice system at all?

You wake up years into your marriage and find out that the person beside you isn't a real person but a made up identity.

Don't worry Son maybe you don't have a God but I'm still holding on to the face that he is real and exist.

Again I was a fool to believe! I have already admitted to being stupid. So guess I'm guilty again.

For those who understand please keep my children in your prayers. for those who want to live in a country where laws punish the guilty and protect the victims please pray. For those who wish to help others who made one or two mistakes that could tragically hurt their chances of remaining in this country continue to help them on this forum. One or two mistakes we've all made but not 9 years of lies, over 20 documents that are fraudulent, abuse which is my fault because we are responsible for how we allow others to treat us that is why I didn't bring it up in court or with ICE because for that I am truly to blame and shameful that I made my daughter my protector. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


What makes you think that any of us care what SOM thinks or does not think?


Furthermore, if this is information that you received in a private message, then we do not care to know because it would have been based as PRIVATE.

[Robin Horton]

he pretty much said it on open forum too. So I did not break pm response.

[MakeItRight!]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
he pretty much said it on open forum too. So I did not break pm response. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be Sure To keep Pm's To self! Be Careful In your Search! Those here Have connection, respect, Even Though Often Not agreed! Find Your answers without Disregard/Respect For Privacy And Individual Freedom To assist, Or Neglect to assist. If You disagree with a response? Share as you please. Ignore Is Your Freedom! Leave Out Names/Id. . This Is information Sharing! diversified!!! take the bad with the good! Use the information properly from both sides!

[Robin Horton]

I apologize for the rule breaking of the pm. I agree and I do sincerely apologize but isn't it against the law?

Seems many here think it is nothing. Do the lives of my family not matter? Is a person who lied to his own country, cheatd ours, harmed it's citizens, abused the system, and patiently awaited citizenship not agains the law. Remember 10 lies on the N400.

Yes I have held a clearance not for the work I did but the installations I worked on. I assure you had I lied on time on my clearance I would have faced severe consequences. Can't I expect that a naturalized citizen is held to the same standards as a born citizen?

[Robin Horton]

I came here after reading hours of postings and I thought it was a safe place to share my story, ask for advice.

I am exhausted truly I am. I was warned that taking on this was going to be difficult and it has been, physically and emotionally. I have lost 40lbs my hair is falling out.

I am what I believe in. If I let go unpunished what he did to my children and to this government then I am NOBODY, all I believe and all the pride I felt of being and American Citizen is gone. I lose my identity then and without identity I will a walking zombie.

I had no idea, looking back I should have seen sighs but I worked so hard all my life. Helped strangers, gave time and money to charities. Treated all people with respect from a janitor to a doctor for the world needs them both.

But this frankly I was not prepared for and had NO idea that such things happened in the world.

[MakeItRight!]

did Not break Rules. takes Time to gain trust. the Truth will always surface! start With truth First! Avoid the loss, And the game! Truth Always Comes out in The end! Never create Your life based on Lies and Deceit! the comfort, the dream realized. only to be Destroyed 10 - 20 Years later! Therefore affecting The children and Others connected! TRUTH RULES!!!!

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
I came here after reading hours of postings and I thought it was a safe place to share my story, ask for advice.

I am exhausted truly I am. I was warned that taking on this was going to be difficult and it has been, physically and emotionally. I have lost 40lbs my hair is falling out.

I am what I believe in. If I let go unpunished what he did to my children and to this government then I am NOBODY, all I believe and all the pride I felt of being and American Citizen is gone. I lose my identity then and without identity I will a walking zombie.

I had no idea, looking back I should have seen sighs but I worked so hard all my life. Helped strangers, gave time and money to charities. Treated all people with respect from a janitor to a doctor for the world needs them both.

But this frankly I was not prepared for and had NO idea that such things happened in the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Robin, for what you claim he did to your children, file a police report. I'm not sure how you will ever get closure on this, but to have justice served will be a start.

[Robin Horton]

What truth rules? Lying immigrants truth? I started a life and years into I learned it was all a lie. What more truth is there than that?

Yes the children are the real victims here. Dear Dad was never there until I told him enough and asked him to leave. Even first 3 weeks Dad never called then when I was honest. I just can't be a snake, I can't if I am going to do something I will look you in the eye and tell you. Only cowards don't. If your telling the truth then I believe you should have nothing to fear.

Yes, foolish you may say but I showed him the N400 that Bobby found and said how could you do this. Gave him the opportunity to ask, think, and consult with attorney's on how to undo his lies. But reality SHOULD BE that you can't dismiss lies under oath. So why not show him, let him bury himself with more lies.

See with liars, they have to tell more and more lies to cover up and that is when eventually they get caught in their own lies. They can no longer who they told what to.

So at least I am honest. Something he was NEVER with me. My daughter, as I told him there is a ***** on every street corner why did you do that to her?

He offered me more money and said save her the embarassment of a trial. Does that sound like the words of an honest man.

Son I cried I wanted him to at least say NO FUFFIN way could I would I have done that. Do you realize how difficult that is for a mother. I couldn't and still haven't had the opportunity to tell him what and *** he is because I have to keep my anger inside not let the world see it so that I do not appear vengeful.

Sorry this should be safe place. Even for those who made immigration mistakes. Once even twice but did not harm. Yes, for every rule there is a loophole.

So I came here after reading all the posts and was impressed with the intelligence and knowledge of the members. Felt it was a safe place for me to let out all the pain in my heart.

OO yes there is pain for my children, great shame too. I've spent 38k on attorney's and been told MY fault I married a non national, had a child before he was a citizen, basically ignorance is no excuse for the hel* we live in now.

But truly should children pay for my sins and stupidity.

At this point I feel hopeless. I put on a happy face all day and play even when I have been very sick last few days, I got up took my son roller skating because I promised to do so. Love is not a word it is an action.

If anyone wants truth from me ask give me an email addy I will send you all the scanned documents then you will know. Why should I hide the truth. How can that harm me or my children any further?

Had an American born citizen that I was married to assaulted my daughter I'd feel exactly the same way. What mother wouldn't. I even have the photographs scanned by medical photograhy showing the bite marks on my sons buttocks.

What the transcript where he took the 5th I have it too. What I've said here I can back up, just ask if you think I am bad person.

I am a person in pain. I can't even trust the law to help because they wish to punish my children for my stupidity for marrying him, believing I get/got what I deserve but do they, my children?

So excues my pain it is real and I have to let it out so that I can continue the good fight for justice, be the good mother that my six year old deserves.

When and if my life ever is somewhat normal I will do all I can to educate that their are REAL risks in marrying an immigrant. Hague Convention on Abduction of children OMG I didn't even know that such a think existed. Nor that so many countries do not honor court ordered custody from other countries. FBI, CIA, State Dept. cannot do a thing to help any parent if the chid is abducted to such countries.

Dumb again I had no idea that our son could hold dual citizenship, okay India calls it OIC I think, but non the less it means basically the same thing.

Whether he said it to me multiple times to ripe my heart out, scare the **** out of me, or another means to control me.

It is against the law to say many things, example if you say in somewhere I understand why people would come in and shot up a place called terroistic threats, yet to threaten to abduct a child is not breaking the law, hmm doesn't make sense to me. Yes that really happened too! Fined $350.00 and never threatened to do it just said I can understnd why someone would do it.

Sorry if I offend the people out here. I do not mean to. I want my future life to have safety for my chidren, peace, no LIES, and I if he has broken any other laws I pray I never know because I can't deal wtih anymore.

[MakeItRight!]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
What truth rules? Lying immigrants truth? I started a life and years into I learned it was all a lie. What more truth is there than that?

Yes the children are the real victims here. Dear Dad was never there until I told him enough and asked him to leave. Even first 3 weeks Dad never called then when I was honest. I just can't be a snake, I can't if I am going to do something I will look you in the eye and tell you. Only cowards don't. If your telling the truth then I believe you should have nothing to fear.

Yes, foolish you may say but I showed him the N400 that Bobby found and said how could you do this. Gave him the opportunity to ask, think, and consult with attorney's on how to undo his lies. But reality SHOULD BE that you can't dismiss lies under oath. So why not show him, let him bury himself with more lies.

See with liars, they have to tell more and more lies to cover up and that is when eventually they get caught in their own lies. They can no longer who they told what to.

So at least I am honest. Something he was NEVER with me. My daughter, as I told him there is a ***** on every street corner why did you do that to her?

He offered me more money and said save her the embarassment of a trial. Does that sound like the words of an honest man.

Son I cried I wanted him to at least say NO FUFFIN way could I would I have done that. Do you realize how difficult that is for a mother. I couldn't and still haven't had the opportunity to tell him what and *** he is because I have to keep my anger inside not let the world see it so that I do not appear vengeful.

Sorry this should be safe place. Even for those who made immigration mistakes. Once even twice but did not harm. Yes, for every rule there is a loophole.

So I came here after reading all the posts and was impressed with the intelligence and knowledge of the members. Felt it was a safe place for me to let out all the pain in my heart.

OO yes there is pain for my children, great shame too. I've spent 38k on attorney's and been told MY fault I married a non national, had a child before he was a citizen, basically ignorance is no excuse for the hel* we live in now.

But truly should children pay for my sins and stupidity.

At this point I feel hopeless. I put on a happy face all day and play even when I have been very sick last few days, I got up took my son roller skating because I promised to do so. Love is not a word it is an action.

If anyone wants truth from me ask give me an email addy I will send you all the scanned documents then you will know. Why should I hide the truth. How can that harm me or my children any further?

Had an American born citizen that I was married to assaulted my daughter I'd feel exactly the same way. What mother wouldn't. I even have the photographs scanned by medical photograhy showing the bite marks on my sons buttocks.

What the transcript where he took the 5th I have it too. What I've said here I can back up, just ask if you think I am bad person.

I am a person in pain. I can't even trust the law to help because they wish to punish my children for my stupidity for marrying him, believing I get/got what I deserve but do they, my children?

So excues my pain it is real and I have to let it out so that I can continue the good fight for justice, be the good mother that my six year old deserves.

When and if my life ever is somewhat normal I will do all I can to educate that their are REAL risks in marrying an immigrant. Hague Convention on Abduction of children OMG I didn't even know that such a think existed. Nor that so many countries do not honor court ordered custody from other countries. FBI, CIA, State Dept. cannot do a thing to help any parent if the chid is abducted to such countries.

Dumb again I had no idea that our son could hold dual citizenship, okay India calls it OIC I think, but non the less it means basically the same thing.

Whether he said it to me multiple times to ripe my heart out, scare the **** out of me, or another means to control me.

It is against the law to say many things, example if you say in somewhere I understand why people would come in and shot up a place called terroistic threats, yet to threaten to abduct a child is not breaking the law, hmm doesn't make sense to me. Yes that really happened too! Fined $350.00 and never threatened to do it just said I can understnd why someone would do it.

Sorry if I offend the people out here. I do not mean to. I want my future life to have safety for my chidren, peace, no LIES, and I if he has broken any other laws I pray I never know because I can't deal wtih anymore. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Relax!!!! the Children are protected universal!
have a green tea, Take a Breath. You write Alot! Upset, disturbed, Not Sure! welcome to the club!!! Whether you realize or not, many Here and elsware are similar!!! Tricky!!! Yet many Same!!! come visit the tunes thread, Drink some celestial tea. You Are not The only one!!!

[Robin Horton]

ProudUSA

Claimed to do to my children. Again if anyone here wants the copy of the offician preliminary hearing and the charges that were bound over for trial ask. I have it scanned and can post.

I do not wish to break rules so tell me can I do that or not.

Son, well that is very interesting and I had to talk to a six year old tonight on what he wants me to do. They closed the case, wounds(bites) were not severe enough to meet their criteria. Yet they filed and emergency motion which the same judge denied for custody to be suspended pending a hearing for custody. Again this is all scanned and legal documents.

1-29-08 ex hubby tells case worker he did it but did not mean to harm the child. Okay through clothing, claiming to be wrestling and on 1-16-09 he was formally charged with two felony's and two misdemeanors for my daughter, he did this to our son. Through clothing our son told him it hurt but dear old dad kept on doing it!

Today my son broke my heart and I have no answer if anyone here does please share with me. Mom why did dad lie about biting me. I said honey I don't know. He said well you toldme to call for help if he hurts me again.. I said yes, call 911, he said but mom I can't if he is hurting me. Six year old makes sense. I said when he is done then you call police, 911, he said why mommy they won't believe me I told them about my butt and they believed daddy. So how do I teach him now to trust the police? I just put on his favorite music and dodged the subject because honestly I don't know what to say to him.

Tonight I sat down and said son this will be your choice, mom can appeal to make them keep on the record that this incident occured otherwise in 120 days it will disappear and no one will ever know it happened. If I appeal then it will take my time writing the appeal, money for an attorney, and going to court. What do you want me to do. Let it go and everyone believe that it never happened, or make sure that it remains on the record that it did happen.

He wants me to get an attorney and asked why Scott can't do it. He is my present attorney but I must get an attorney further away, he is in a bad place his has a business here, must go before this judge again with other clients, and has a family to support. An attorney from Philly won't care about this local judge, he/she won't ever see her again.

PA has no child abuse laws, therefore only criminal charges can go forward. Dad lawyered up when he met with the police detective on 1-31-09 and said he did not recall such a thing happening but if had done such a thing it would not have been maliciously done.

ER Doctor documented 10 bite marks. Discharge said to see childs peditrician in the am for follow up.

Here is what the letter said. I don't know how to post a scanned document but I will ask your permission first if I may then I will ask my daughter or someone here who is computer savy which I am not and I am the worst speller too.

Letter from Dr. Baker, Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Milton S. Hershey Medical Center

I didn't even know he had written the letter until the petition to suspend father's rights until a hearing could take place was denied. Dr. Baker sent it to Children and Youth and I didn't even know it.

To Whom It May Concern:

A*** is a patient of this practice. I have been his pediatrician for many years A*** was brought to the office on 1-27-09. He had bruised on his buttocks arising from inflicted trauma. He reported to me that these bruises came from his father biting his butt. I referred A*** to medical photography to document the bruises.

I feel these bruises represent inflicted trauma, abuse. A*** should be protected from unsupervised contact with the person who caused the bruising. Biting a child to the point of bruising, causes pain. Biting a child on his or her buttocks is painful and entirely inappropriate. Biting a child to the point of bruising, on his buttocks, cannot be construed as innocent play.

In my opinion, continued unsupervised contact places A*** at clear risk for further trauma, pain, and suffering. Please take the necessary steps to protect A*** from further abuse.

Sincerely,

Mark S. Baker, MD
Associate Professor of Pediatrics

This with the photos, ER doctor said almost same and nothing was done. They came to my home and said wonderful environment, she spent 3 hours here. Dad went to caseworker in county he lives in , 22 year old fresh out of college dad is attractive, charming, and guess what no home study done at his house, all charges of abuse "unfounded."

Now I will have to pay an attorney to do something called a Ritchie rule to get all the records an appeal. Police where the caseworker said to detective that father admitted doing it on Wednesday, and of coure detective's report will show that dad with his attorney said nope. Knowing in PA that without criminal intent no charges can be filed.

Can anyone explain this to me. Who protects the children. All I asked for was some parenting classes.. Does that seem unreasonalble or irrational on my behalf? FAther does not know boundaries, never did, has never had to obide by them either.

If anyone knows of a solution tell me help my son. He lives with fear/love of his father. I know that torment all to well.

[dev199108]

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