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  • #16
    You're entering into a very different area, Unique, and making a point that I agree with.

    There's little, if any, oversight when it comes to the adjudication of benefits. The process has become a struggle for the immigrants and their citizen families, one tinted by obscurity, abuse and an unlimited "exercise of discretion", instead of the intended "fact finding" task it was meant to be. Aliens go into it wearing a suit that screams "guilty" and having to show a defense against any and all allegations the Government can conceive. This is very different from the concept of "justice" understood by most Americans.

    The process has always been flawed, deficient, and extremely slow, but now we add into it the fact that judicial review has been reduced to avoid lengthy litigation thus promoting a system that actually encourages arbitrary decisions that are extremely difficult to challenge before the courts.

    The corruption and abuse will continue as long as aliens are seen as something other than "persons" under the Constitution, in direct defiance of Plyler v. Doe.

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    • #17
      Heartbroken,yes visitation is allowed but on certain days and there is a 30min to 1hr limit if i remember correctly.
      "Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes everywhere will be war"...................BOB MARLEY

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      • #18
        There's little, if any, oversight when it comes to the adjudication of benefits. The process has become a struggle for the immigrants and their citizen families, one tinted by obscurity, abuse and an unlimited "exercise of discretion", instead of the intended "fact finding" task it was meant to be. Aliens go into it wearing a suit that screams "guilty" and having to show a defense against any and all allegations the Government can conceive. This is very different from the concept of "justice" understood by most Americans.

        The process has always been flawed, deficient, and extremely slow, but now we add into it the fact that judicial review has been reduced to avoid lengthy litigation thus promoting a system that actually encourages arbitrary decisions that are extremely difficult to challenge before the courts.

        The corruption and abuse will continue as long as aliens are seen as something other than "persons" under the Constitution, in direct defiance of Plyler v. Doe.
        Houston, that was an epic post. Thank You.

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        • #19
          In civil litigation, it's also the plaintiff who bears the burden of proof. Why is this important? Because it directly relates to due process issues, equal protection and even the First Amendment when you look at the entire picture in the context of certain immigration benefits.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by heartbroken:
            i asked before..if its possible for me and daughters to go back to brazil at the same time my fiance goes, whether deported or voluntarily...or is it an escorted deal? im just wondering if anyone knows
            Voluntary departure is just that. You agree to leave by a certain date. There's no escort. That would only happen in a formal deportation. I believe they judge has discretion to grant either 60 or 120 days for voluntary departure depending on various factors like length of stay in USA, ties to USA etc.
            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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            • #21
              Dear Heartbroken; I have been reading your posts and I totally emphatize with you. Therefore I will share my story, I am not an attorney but I lived in my own skin what is like to be arrested and deported. I lived in USA for over 15 years, I arrive on an airplane and then I even worked for the state government, some people wont people wont believe this But I worked in a law enforcement agency. so believe me I understand how jails work. I was arrested years after I was not longer working there though. I was a Director of Human Resources for a big corporation, and well I hired an excellent attorney, (expensive one) but while you are detained many things do not apply to you, criminals have more rigths than illegal immigrants, I met many people from Brazil while waiting deportation in Las Vegas NV, they get deported (brazilians)depending if they get an attorney involved because while they fight their case they case gets to be in such lenghty proccess, however a good friend from Brazil whom was my cell mate he was deported within one month, In my case I needed to wait for the plane to be filled up with poeple form Honduras and Guatemala.

              Now this is the harsh part and the most pessimistic, I was set a bail for US$15,000.00 because the INS prosecutor stated that I was very familiar and intelligent with the life style of USA and I could just run away, We could not get the bail money.
              I have a USC daughter born with down syndrome, with lungs problems, she also has a heart condition that requires constant medical care that can not be obtained in my native country, but still they order my deportation, So some people say if you argue extreme and unusual hardship wow it has to be something very serious, not saying is impossible but is very difficult.

              The fact tat helived in USA illegally for so long is going to affect his case even more, but if are thinking in going to live to Brazil wow that will be a huge challenge for your love because americans are not used to live in certain conditions that they take for granted, (I am stating this respectfully) many americans will not last here one week, But that is the beauty of life some of us are selected because we can endure more, some people can't and that is a blessing.

              My family and I are separated because my children sake, I know I will see them if I get the money to send for their summer vacation expenses, but you know what I am saving money as when someone saves money to purchase something for a loved one, because everything is worth for them to be happy and to have the luxury, the joy, the happyness, the opportunity of hugging them for few days.

              The lord has the last say, do not not give up, hire a lawyer but ask to be honest and to be realistic you dont want false hopes,

              The best to you, if he gets to stay please be the family possible nothing is worth that.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bsanchez:
                Dear Heartbroken; I have been reading your posts and I totally emphatize with you. Therefore I will share my story, I am not an attorney but I lived in my own skin what is like to be arrested and deported. I lived in USA for over 15 years, I arrive on an airplane and then I even worked for the state government, some people wont people wont believe this But I worked in a law enforcement agency. so believe me I understand how jails work. I was arrested years after I was not longer working there though. I was a Director of Human Resources for a big corporation, and well I hired an excellent attorney, (expensive one) but while you are detained many things do not apply to you, criminals have more rigths than illegal immigrants, I met many people from Brazil while waiting deportation in Las Vegas NV, they get deported (brazilians)depending if they get an attorney involved because while they fight their case they case gets to be in such lenghty proccess, however a good friend from Brazil whom was my cell mate he was deported within one month, In my case I needed to wait for the plane to be filled up with poeple form Honduras and Guatemala.

                Now this is the harsh part and the most pessimistic, I was set a bail for US$15,000.00 because the INS prosecutor stated that I was very familiar and intelligent with the life style of USA and I could just run away, We could not get the bail money.
                I have a USC daughter born with down syndrome, with lungs problems, she also has a heart condition that requires constant medical care that can not be obtained in my native country, but still they order my deportation, So some people say if you argue extreme and unusual hardship wow it has to be something very serious, not saying is impossible but is very difficult.

                The fact tat helived in USA illegally for so long is going to affect his case even more, but if are thinking in going to live to Brazil wow that will be a huge challenge for your love because americans are not used to live in certain conditions that they take for granted, (I am stating this respectfully) many americans will not last here one week, But that is the beauty of life some of us are selected because we can endure more, some people can't and that is a blessing.

                My family and I are separated because my children sake, I know I will see them if I get the money to send for their summer vacation expenses, but you know what I am saving money as when someone saves money to purchase something for a loved one, because everything is worth for them to be happy and to have the luxury, the joy, the happyness, the opportunity of hugging them for few days.

                The lord has the last say, do not not give up, hire a lawyer but ask to be honest and to be realistic you dont want false hopes,

                The best to you, if he gets to stay please be the family possible nothing is worth that.
                sir...i barely have words to say to your story, its heartbreaking...but im grateful for your response. ThankYou, and I guess, all we truly have is God to rely on here..and at best, he can keep our hearts calm and open to be able to adjust. Today is the court hearing for the civil case..and I'll post after that, if im able. Thank you again.
                "who are you to judge the way I live-i'm not perfect,or live to be but before you start pointing fingers,make sure your hands are clean".....B.M. http://i36.tinypic.com/350ma8n.jpg

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by unique:
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's little, if any, oversight when it comes to the adjudication of benefits. The process has become a struggle for the immigrants and their citizen families, one tinted by obscurity, abuse and an unlimited "exercise of discretion", instead of the intended "fact finding" task it was meant to be. Aliens go into it wearing a suit that screams "guilty" and having to show a defense against any and all allegations the Government can conceive. This is very different from the concept of "justice" understood by most Americans.

                  The process has always been flawed, deficient, and extremely slow, but now we add into it the fact that judicial review has been reduced to avoid lengthy litigation thus promoting a system that actually encourages arbitrary decisions that are extremely difficult to challenge before the courts.

                  The corruption and abuse will continue as long as aliens are seen as something other than "persons" under the Constitution, in direct defiance of Plyler v. Doe.
                  Houston, that was an epic post. Thank You. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                  I respectfully disagree.

                  The fact that the US does have a system whereby people who have "breached their contract" to leave the US upon the end of their purpose here are still given additional opportunities despite being out-of-status, having worked without authorization, and other such situations make the US the hero, not the goat.

                  When someone has broken their word to you, how often do you take the next thing they say to you as "gospel?" So, when people have thumbed their noses at US immigration laws by violating their stays, why is it so hard to understand that USCIS adjudicators may not accept what is being told as totally truthful?

                  Those who follow the law and don't enter on false pretenses can always be expected to be viewed diffferently. That's human nature and good business.

                  The next time you have to deal with someone who breaks contracts and lies, see how ready you are to believe what they tell you.

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                  • #24
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