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  • SKS
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    someone12-

    "And as a follow-up, think of the benefit to the airline companies as 10,000,000 illegals queue up to buy airline tickets back to where they came from (OK OK, perhaps those from Mexico can walk home)..."

    You should be a comedian!! That is some funny stuff!

    Typical though from people like you........round'em all up and send'em packin!! YEEEEHAAAAAAW!

    Let me guess, where did you get that from? FAIR or americanpatrol.com!!!

    [This message was edited by SKS on December 30, 2003 at 04:11 PM.]

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  • SKS
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    someone12-

    "Reward? You bet!"

    Wow, paying a fine is a reward. That is a wacky sense of what a reward is!

    "The proposed fine I have read about is somewhere around $1500 - a sum that is paltry compared to fees charged by smugglers or immigration attorneys..."

    Paying a fine is paying a fine, don't like it, raise it....

    It is a punishment nonetheless.......

    So, is a person rewarded when they break the law and the fine isn't very much??

    "That is the reward - cough up a few dollars, get to bypass ALL of our current laws regarding immigration,"

    How so?? 245(i) wasn't amnesty...They still have to have work related or family sponsor.....

    They also must interview....what is bypassed?

    All that did was allow them to adjust their status here.


    "...bypass ALL the procedures for obtaining a visa at a consulate overseas, including medical exams (a real necessity nowadays with the increasing spread of TB, for example),"

    Nice try. A medical exam was required for all people during the last 245(i)..............nice overexaggeration though.

    "....skip out on ALL medical and educational benefits received by these same lawbreakers over the years,"

    What does this mea??

    "...yes, this so-called "fine" is going to be 'just fine' with the illegals and not-so-fine with the taxpayers."

    Tell that to your elected officials....

    "Better yet...illegals MUSY pay a fine AND depart the US for a period of three years before they can re-enter to participate in any guest worker program."

    Cute, but won't happen.

    "This would represent a penalty that must be paid and enforced and NO adjustment of status should be allowed until BOTH conditions are met - without exception."

    Real cute. Good idea, but pie in the sky garbage.......

    Typical post from somebody who thinks that 245(i) and such legislation is a "reward".

    Unfortunately, that is the most likely thing to happen in the future, in my humble opinion.

    Still waiting to hear Bush or any other presidential candidate say they'll order house-to-house raids, internment camps, and massive deportations............until then, status quo. Hope you like it.



    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, grandma is baking a pie........the millions here are still here, more enter, overstay, and drive as we speak. Facts.

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  • Melanie
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    The new president program will grant work visas to construction and agriculture workers only. Can aliens working in other professions get this type of visa in order to work in USA?

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  • SKS
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    I like how some of you people believe that a legalization program is some sort of "reward". Pretty funny........... 245(i) had a FINE. Geez, some "reward"!!

    Aren't many of our laws punishable by fine?? And when those laws are broken, and the court orders the person to pay a fine, is that a reward??

    Nice logic some of you have..

    If a person breaks the law and gets a speeding ticket, and they are ordered to pay a fine, did the U.S. just reward that fella??


    Anyways, lets face reality........kinda hard sometimes but necessary nonetheless.

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  • Kudris
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    I partly understand, but mostly disagree with your view Depman. When you first came here, you came as a visitor even though you obviously were an intenting immigrant (if you're saying that you can't go back...you must have known this fact before you left your homecountry).

    To avoid any of the things you're describing, you should have choosen a proper visa; a work visa, participate in the DVD if you qualify, or what ever it takes. You, like many others intentionally and conviniently choose to ignore the laws of our land. I, like many of my fellow average normal U.S. citizens (with the exception of demented people like Acelaw/Michael and other fox-news-right-wing-fascists), don't feel that this kind of behavor now should be revarded. I believe that the current administration will propose anything to get the Hispanic vote just to damp them after the lossed election anyway...

    So, as much as I previously wished that a free world would mean free travel for all its citizens regardless of nationality, the mingling of people who have different cultural backgrounds, moral understandings etc. proves not be as good as I previously believed. Some of the posts on this and other forums confirm my newer conviction...

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  • Debman
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    Hi All!
    I am new to this message board. I have a thought or two on the President's new immigration program. I don't fully understand it yet, but do any one realise just how hard it is to stay legal in this country. I came over on a visitors visa and applied for an extension 2 months before my I94 expired. The month my I94 expired I applied for asylum (still waiting for an answer on the extension). The INS made a mistake and took me to court while I was still in a legal status (cause I had a pending case) I went back to court 6 or 7 times while the judge could make no ruling as we still waited for the answer on the extension. Finally 11 months after the application we got an answer. My extension was approved but I only had a month left. In the meantime I lost lots of money going back to court all those times while the court could do nothing. Every time there is a different attorney for the INS the 2nd one not knowing what the 1st one said... It is a nightmare and that is why I can understand why people choose to stay illegal and take their chances. It already cost me over $7 000 to try and become legal (lawyer fees, application fees, gas money, accommodation, food...) and after a year I still have no definite answer and still don't know what is going to happen with me. I am working legally (because of my pending cases) and paying taxes, but it is such a struggle to get a valid visa that I fully understand illegal aliens' decision to just stay on and not even try to do something to be in a legal status. If I knew how hard and how expensive it was going to be to become legal, I wouldn't even have applied for anything and just stayed on avoiding being caught by the Immigration Services.
    The President's program would help a lot of people that have no future in their own countries. The major reason why some of them can't go back. It is not always because they have an easy life in America. I just wish some people would start to realise just how we really struggle to become legal. Maybe then they would realise why we choose to stay illegal. (I am not illegal, but am speaking for many here)
    Would somebody tell me what they think about this?
    Thanks.

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  • acelaw
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    DAHHHHHHHHHHH because they are not here working in AG so why do you try and bleed our hearts with that excuse ?????Is your illegal working AG.?

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  • Glühbirne
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    If they would get rid of the 10 year bar, we would go to Mexico immediately to apply for my husband's greencard. That 10 year bar is really the root of our problems.

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  • Angie
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    HEY MO,

    WHEN YOU GET TO THE ABOVE WEB PAGE SEARCH FOR "IMMIGRATION" AND LOOK AT THE INFO IT BRINGS UP. IT LOOKS LIKE A POSSIBLE NEW WORK PROGRAM WHICH DOES NOTHING FOR THE ILLEGALS HERE AND MENTIONS A POSSIBLE PROGRAM FOR WORKERS ALREADY HERE. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL MEAN SOMETHING FOR ENACTMENT OF DREAM AND AGJOBS!! IT'S EXCITING NEWS, HOPEFULLY CONGRESS WILL BACK THE PRES UP.

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  • Mo
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    Whats the website address, the one posted isn't working.

    Does this promise illegal aliens in the US a residency or simply a long term goal?

    Thanks

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  • Angie
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    THIS IS ALL REALLY EXCITING NEWS. AS FOR "DO THE RIGHT THING'S POST", THE PRESIDENT REALIZES THAT WHAT YOU SUGGEST IS NOT REALISTIC UNFORTUNATELY. IN MY SITUATION, MY HUSBAND WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO TO MEXICO AND APPLY FOR RESIDENCY BASED ON OUR TWO YEAR MARRIAGE AND OUR CHILD BUT IT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED. IN FACT, HE WOULD BE BARRED FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY FOR 10 YEARS. THAT IS NOT A REALISTIC ANSWER FOR US AND A LOT OF OTHERS OUT THERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE WORKING IN OUR AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY DOING JOBS OTHERS WOULD NOT TOUCH. AS LONG AS THEY HAVE NOT COMMITTED ANY OTHER CRIME WHY CAN'T THEY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY AND WORK FORCE ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS

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  • Do the right thing
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    Please contact your member of congress to fight this type of amnesty. It's wrong to reward criminals. Illegals are line jumpers who don't respect the law. . They also commit identity theft fraud when they apply for work using someone else's Social Security Number.

    The only fair amnesty is to allow people to go back to their home country without risk of the 3/10 year bar. After they return home they can then apply for legal permission to enter the country.

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  • dudukay
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    when will this programm go into effect am really eager to know

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  • matt
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    hi
    this news is very nice but they just do for illegal immigrant live in USA or before immigrant deported but they have US citizen spouse and family in USA? please this reforms help who deported but have US spouse and family in US we miss them so much we need forgive we made mistake but US gov forgive us please help deported US citizen spouses.merry christmas

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  • MaximuSSS
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