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  • #76
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Iperson, we would never try to convince someone to not cash their unemployment check. What are you talking about. We make sure they don't get one in the first place. That guy must have been working at some failed democrat institution. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    But that's not reality because so many Americans are without jobs. How do you propose to fix this in the current economy? It's bad out there, Dave. People are hurting and can't support their families. Do you suggest we just cast them aside? That's not being humane.

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    • #77
      I think i would most naturally choose low taxes for rich if i was rich and high taxes for rich if i was poor, and screw "fairness" since there is no such thing in nature to begin with.
      http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

      "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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      • #78
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldE:
        I think i would most naturally choose low taxes for rich if i was rich and high taxes for rich if i was poor, and screw "fairness" since there is no such thing in nature to begin with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Dear Mel(t)_OldE,
        This is not essentially about the class war at all, the rich vs. the poor. Like I've pointed out earlier the majority of liberals are well off, yet they are in the Democratic Party.
        You see what that means? It means that they know the GOP tax mantra is a political hogwash, and that a more even playing field is good for the country. An imbalanced budget is bad, we all know that, but so is an imbalanced economy -- the larger the gap between the wealthy and the poor is simply leading to a depression. This isn't about class envy. If I was rich, I'd be happy to give and invest in good community "betterment" enhancing projects, and pay an adequate amount of taxes. A large majority of well off liberals think the same as I do.
        Those that constantly rant against taxes usually are not that well off at all, quite on the contrary, it is an excuse they make they haven't made enough money, cuz the govt has taken it from them or is going to take it from them, so why work at all? It's easier to just rant about it on internet forums. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Well, i disagree with you.
        I believe there must be motivation for any action and i am not particularly motivated to rob myself in favor of poor nor tolerate the wealth of rich while i get none of it.
        It all depends on what i get. Simple as that.

        Call me selfish. I was kind once upon a time. And what i had to show for it in the end? Squat!

        You bet i will show my middle finger to all those in need as my wealth grows bigger (and it will, since i have brains on my shoulder unlike overwhelming majority of mankind).

        The only reason i would still advocate for taxes is that it is necessary to maintain the system that allows me to make the money in the first place.

        Anything beyond that deserves my middle finger.
        http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

        "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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        • #79
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
          Dear Mel(t)_Senator,

          How come CA and NY always go blue? Do you have anything to explain this other than twist facts?

          The data on education you've shown at sherdog.net actually supports what I've said. Democrats are more educated than Republicans. Out of the 19% of graduating Reps, 23% go to post grad schools. Out of 32% of graduating Democrats 15% go to postgard colleges, which all in all shows that more Democrats are more educated overall.
          As far as wealth is concerned, the data also supports what I've said. The top 1% of the wealthiest people in the country are Republicans who run corporations. But they amount to only 1-5% of the population, while the large majority of Republican voters are poorer than Democrats who comprise the larger part of the middle class. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Sherdog is not a reputable site for statistics on this and there are posts on Sherdog that contradict the one here so I don't know where they are getting their numbers. Reputable survey after survey show Republicans better educated, more generous and richer.

          You are woefully ignorant of statistics. Just because a state votes Democrat does not correlate to their incomes. You can have many rich people but many more poor s c u m Democrats.

          As far as CA and NY being Democrat you are badly misinformed.

          CA has a Republican Governor (RINO). Outside LA, many areas are Republican. Before Spitzer/Paterson, New York had a Republican Governor (RINO). New York City has had a Republican Mayor for the past 16 years (RINO).

          Upstate New York and Long Island are predominantly Republican. Many of the rich in New York live in Republican Connecticut and New Jersey. New York City has a high income tax on top of the State tax so richer people do not live there. CA and NY have more rich people than others but they also have more s c u m poor. There are many rich people in Florida and Texas where there are no State income taxes. These are two of the fastest growing states.

          Other surveys about wealth of Democrats and Republicans;

          http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...S/P/00/epolls.0.html

          82 % of people with income $100,000 or more voted for Bush. 50 % of people with $100,000 or less voted for Kerry.

          52% college graduates voted for Bush ; 46 % voted for Kerry

          A good study showing the difference between various political groups and economic differences:

          http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=949


          It has always been and remains that Republicans are:

          1. Republicans are wealthier than Democrats
          2. Republicans are more generous and help the poor more than Democrats
          3. Republicans are better educated than Democrats
          4. Republicans views on immigration, taxation, defisict spending, etc... are more in line with voters than Democrats. In the last three statewide elections (NJ, VA and MA) Republicans won and are poised to pick up many seats in 2010 elections with a decent and possibly a majority of governorships
          http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php
          5. Republicans have consistently been right on the major historical moral side of history: anti-slavery, anti-communism, anti-welfare state, anti-socialism whereas Democrats have consistently been on the wrong side: pro-slavery, pro or weak on communism, pro-welfare state, pro socialism

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          • #80
            http://theos.in/world/richest-...ited-states-america/


            Top 10 wealthiest states in U.S.
            State Income Govenor Party


            Maryland $65,144 Democrat
            New Jersey $64,470 Republican
            Connecticut $63,422 Republican
            Hawaii $61,160 Republican
            Massachusetts $59,963 Democrat

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            • #81
              Also; Republican women are far more attractive than Democrats:

              Women: Democrats versus Republicans

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              • #82
                I am all for fairness. Each and every American should pay their fair share of taxes. We should do away completely with the current system of taxes and entitlements. Replace the current system with a fair $10,000 per head tax for every adult over 18 years old; no exceptions. No racism; all races pay the same. Legal or Illegal, pay it. Rich or poor, pay it. This is equality and fairness. If you can not pay, or choose not to pay, you go to a special work camp to pay it off. No exemptions; no entitlements. No social security, no home mortgage deductions, no bail outs, no socialized medicine. Everyone should treated equal and fair; the way God and the US Constitution intended.

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                • #83
                  It is best of all to be selfish.

                  Ergo, if you are poor the most rational and selfish thing appeares to be rob the rich of their wealth by advocating a high tax on their riches that would then trickle down to benefit you.

                  At the same time, if you are wealthy then it would be idiotic to advocate high taxes to support those who have none of your wealth and done nothing to earn it.

                  It is simple as that.

                  For me there are no exsistensial bulls.hit moral questions anymore, after i have seen my share of what i have seen and experienced, and the only question is: how AM I benefiting from this?

                  My individual position entirely depends on the answer to this very simple question.
                  And, since individual circumstances can change at any moment, so will my position on this subject , just as any other affecting my selfish being.

                  Now this is the most sinsere and honest answer on this topic you will ever get from anyone.

                  All the rest is BS, no time to listen it really..
                  http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

                  "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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                  • #84
                    Under my plan;

                    Unemployment reduced from 20 % to 0 %.

                    Government redistribution of wealth ends, Poverty completely eliminated.

                    Socialized medicine ends, health care costs slashed in half; quality of care skyrockets.

                    Government race baiting ends; racism and bigotry end.

                    Socialized housing ends, housing market stabilizes and everyone owns a home.

                    Socialized medicine ends; no public schools. Quality of education skyrockets.

                    Wars make no economic sense, wars end.

                    Peace and love rule the planet. This is the age of Senator Ehigie Edobar Uzamere.

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                    • #85
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldE:
                      It is best of all to be selfish.
                      ... My individual position entirely depends on the answer to this very simple question.
                      And, since individual circumstances can change at any moment, so will my position on this subject , just as any other affecting my selfish being. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                      My plan works to everyones equal benefit. Poor and Rich, black and white who play the stupid game of trying to steal from others always end up getting hurt. No one benefits from unemployment; poor people do not get wages, rich people do not get profits. No one benefits from racism, whites get mugged, blacks get discriminated against. No one benefits from war, poor people die, rich people lose profits. Only politicians benefit from these divisive games; pitting brother against brother. Not play the game and we all win; no wars, no racism, no class warfare; prosperity and peace for all. FREEDOM !!

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                      • #86
                        Why do rich get richer and poor get poorer under our current tax scheme ? And why is my plan a win-win ?

                        No taxes (ideal scenario)
                        Rich person $75,000
                        Poor Person $25,000
                        Total Income available $100,000
                        Rich person will get 75 % of total income regardless of tax scheme.

                        Current scheme to redistribute wealth; Add 10 % tax for poor and 25 % tax on rich. Start wars, incite racism and class warfare.

                        On paper, the poor person initially becames "richer" relative to the rich person because of the taxes; but very quickly, the income of the richer person rises to compensate for the higher taxes while the income for the poorer person declines to maintain the 75 % to 25 % ratio.

                        Before Taxes After
                        75000 75% 18750 71% 75250 75% Rich up $250
                        25000 25% 2500 29% 24750 25% Poor down $250
                        100000 100000
                        No gain in total income
                        $23,250 paid in taxes wasted by government

                        Under my tax scheme; both incomes go up

                        Before Taxes After
                        75000 10000 85000 Rich up $10000
                        25000 10000 35000 Poor up $10000
                        $20,000 gain in total income; taxes not wasted on stimulus spending, wars, race and culture wars.

                        END RACISM; END THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY !

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                        • #87
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Senator Ehigie Edobor Uzamere:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldE:
                          It is best of all to be selfish.
                          ... My individual position entirely depends on the answer to this very simple question.
                          And, since individual circumstances can change at any moment, so will my position on this subject , just as any other affecting my selfish being. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                          My plan works to everyones equal benefit. Poor and Rich, black and white who play the stupid game of trying to steal from others always end up getting hurt. No one benefits from unemployment; poor people do not get wages, rich people do not get profits. No one benefits from racism, whites get mugged, blacks get discriminated against. No one benefits from war, poor people die, rich people lose profits. Only politicians benefit from these divisive games; pitting brother against brother. Not play the game and we all win; no wars, no racism, no class warfare; prosperity and peace for all. FREEDOM !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Yes, Senator, that's right.
                          Your being Senator from Nigeria, the most prosperous and peaceful country in the world, adds so much credibility to what you say.
                          Every time i hear the name of Jonathan Goodluck Shuberts' Ave Maria comes to my mind.
                          http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

                          "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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                          • #88
                            Nigeria is great country and emulates America. We even send our native born son, Barack Hussein Obama as our gift to America.

                            A little about my homeland...

                            Nigeria is classified as an emerging market, and has already reached middle income status according to the Worldbank, with its abundant supply of natural resources, well-developed financial, legal, communications, transport sectors and stock exchange (the Nigerian Stock Exchange), which is the second largest in Africa. Nigeria is ranked 37th in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) as of 2007. Nigeria is the United States' largest trading partner in sub-Saharan Africa and supplies a fifth of its oil (11% of oil imports). It has the seventh-largest trade surplus with the U.S. of any country worldwide. Nigeria is currently the 50th-largest export market for U.S. goods and the 14th-largest exporter of goods to the U.S. The United States is the country's largest foreign investor.

                            We have an excellent system of justice according to the U.S. Department of State, we have the following features that provide justice: Extrajudicial killings and use of excessive force by security forces; impunity for abuses by security forces; arbitrary arrests; prolonged pretrial detention; judicial corruption and executive influence on the judiciary; rape, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners, detainees and suspects; harsh and life?threatening prison and detention center conditions; human trafficking for the purpose of prostitution and forced labor; societal violence and vigilante killings; child labor, child abuse and child sexual exploitation; female genital mutilation (FGM); domestic violence; discrimination based on ***, ethnicity, region and religion; restrictions on freedom of assembly, movement, press, speech and religion; infringement of privacy rights; and the abridgement of the right of citizens to change the government.

                            Under the Shari'a penal code that applies to Muslims in twelve northern states, offenses such as alcohol consumption, homosexuality, infidelity and theft carry harsh sentences, including amputation, lashing, stoning and long prison terms.

                            Come visit beautiful and justice loving Nigeria.

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                            • #89
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Senator Ehigie Edobor Uzamere:
                              Nigeria is great country and emulates America. We even send our native born son, Barack Hussein Obama as our gift to America.

                              A little about my homeland...

                              Nigeria is classified as an emerging market, and has already reached middle income status according to the Worldbank, with its abundant supply of natural resources, well-developed financial, legal, communications, transport sectors and stock exchange (the Nigerian Stock Exchange), which is the second largest in Africa. Nigeria is ranked 37th in the world in terms of GDP (PPP) as of 2007. Nigeria is the United States' largest trading partner in sub-Saharan Africa and supplies a fifth of its oil (11% of oil imports). It has the seventh-largest trade surplus with the U.S. of any country worldwide. Nigeria is currently the 50th-largest export market for U.S. goods and the 14th-largest exporter of goods to the U.S. The United States is the country's largest foreign investor.

                              We have an excellent system of justice according to the U.S. Department of State, we have the following features that provide justice: Extrajudicial killings and use of excessive force by security forces; impunity for abuses by security forces; arbitrary arrests; prolonged pretrial detention; judicial corruption and executive influence on the judiciary; rape, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners, detainees and suspects; harsh and life?threatening prison and detention center conditions; human trafficking for the purpose of prostitution and forced labor; societal violence and vigilante killings; child labor, child abuse and child sexual exploitation; female genital mutilation (FGM); domestic violence; discrimination based on ***, ethnicity, region and religion; restrictions on freedom of assembly, movement, press, speech and religion; infringement of privacy rights; and the abridgement of the right of citizens to change the government.

                              Under the Shari'a penal code that applies to Muslims in twelve northern states, offenses such as alcohol consumption, homosexuality, infidelity and theft carry harsh sentences, including amputation, lashing, stoning and long prison terms.

                              Come visit beautiful and justice loving Nigeria. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I like your country, Senator, and i think we should learn from Nigerian people and implement some of those wonderful measures here as well.
                              What a wonderful , full of justice, peace and love country !!!

                              Long live Nigeria !!!
                              Long live friendship of Senator Uzamere and Olde !!!
                              Nigeria and ILW forever !!!
                              http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

                              "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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                              • #90
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">PUSC, I don't wish ill on people in tough times. My gripe is how we got here in the first place. Tax increases and borrowing only set the stage for an even bigger and more dramatic financial upheaval in a few more years. Just wait, watch, and see. By 2020 we'll be in a no holds barred full blown depression. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                I'm glad you have some heart, Dave.
                                I don't think anyone is happy how all of this came about and I agree we probably haven't seen the worst yet. Hopefully, in ten years I'll be senile and won't know anything about recessions, depressions, etc. (Just kidding, of course).

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