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  • #61
    Calm down davdah. I must have set off a raw nerve in you What would you say is the right amount for a government to tax it's population? Then having done that, would you have a sliding scale based on actual earnings or make it a "flat tax"? If a flat tax, why?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The top 5% income earners pay over 90% of the taxes collected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm not sure where you get this figure from but the highest % of Income tax burden I can find is 86% from the top 25% of earners. The top 5% you claim is actually 60% not 90% (from 2007 figures):

    Taxfoundation.org

    I can pretty much guarantee those top earners aren't reporting all their income either. Nice to have lawyers who find loopholes eh?
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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    • #62
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
      The very rich benefited by getting a larger percentage of the tax cut simply because they have more money and don't have a real need for the extra money unlike those who struggle to survive who really do need the extra money. Since you like to use the words wealth redistribution, Bush did just that but from the bottom to the top. That's what makes it unfair. Why should the majority support the top 1 or 2% of earners? Is it any wonder the media are all over Jon Kyl's assertion that UI must be paid for yet he wants to keep the Bush tax cuts forever. What's the betting future tax cuts initiated by the Repubs will do the same thing all over again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Yes it is unfair. The hardworkers have to pay 35 % of our income while the lazy and stupid only pay 10 %; that is unfair.

      Tax Bracket Single Married Filing Jointly
      10% Bracket $0 – $8,375 $0 – $16,750
      15% Bracket $8,375 – $34,000 $16,750 – $68,000
      25% Bracket $34,000 – $82,400 $68,000 – $137,300
      28% Bracket $82,400 – $171,850 $137,300 – $209,250
      33% Bracket $171,850 – $373,650 $209,250 – $373,650
      35% Bracket $373,650+ $373,650+
      http://www.bargaineering.com/a...rs-tax-brackets.html

      What happen to everybody being equal ? We should all pay the same amount of taxes regardless of income. Anything else is UNFAIR by definition. Why should the top 1 or 2 % support the majority of people who do not pay anything in taxes while we are the ones with the skills and abilities to create jobs and build something ? And if I chose to give money to my kids (obviously I choose not too; ask Cheryl Uzamere !) that is my RIGHT ! I already paid taxes on it. Inheritance tax is double taxation.

      Lazy and stupid people should not be allowed to steal money; in any shape or form. Stealing is wrong or does that need to be explained to you also ?

      Redistribution of wealth is stealing no matter how you justify it. You should be ashamed to try and justify an immoral act.

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      • #63
        And who are you to tell me what I need ? You don't know me; you don't know what I need. I know what you need; a bat in the side of your freaking head you lazy racist socialist dimwit. Get off your lazy arse and get a freaking job and a freaking life.

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        • #64
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Senator Ehigie Edobor Uzamere:
          And who are you to tell me what I need ? You don't know me; you don't know what I need. I know what you need; a bat in the side of your freaking head you lazy racist socialist dimwit. Get off your lazy arse and get a freaking job and a freaking life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Just pathetic, the games you play for a man of your age.

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          • #65
            Nice to know you think so highly of your employees davdah. The employees that help you get rich. Your anti-government tax rant reminds me of what this guy did...



            A flat tax idea will punish the poor for being poor and reward the rich for being rich. Pretty much what I'd expect from a far right neo-con such as yourself. Straight from the Reaganomics playbook.

            It's fair because everybody pays the same by your reasoning except it doesn't take into account what somebody actually earns. All that would likely happen is a whole load of poor people would be jailed for not paying their taxes because they can't. Who pays for the jail? Government couldn't because it doesn't have the money.

            If it all gets too much for you here davdah, you could always move to the United Arab Emirates. Zero taxes, for both individual and corporate there. You'll love it. Of course you'd better take that money from CA with you because it's incredibly expensive to live there.
            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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            • #66
              I feel sorry for you davdah. You clearly have a problem. You view the government and "ordinary" people as trying to steal your hard earned cash. If it will calm you down, I don't think it's true. There's nothing wrong being rewarded for your work but don't run over others in the process to get what you want. We all live on the same planet. What goes around, comes around. Keep things in perspective. You seem to have lost that perspective.
              "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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              • #67
                Ok whatever davdah. I'm done arguing with you. Believe what you want to believe. All "ordinary" people are crooks and liars because they aspire to a taxation system which is fair. All you want is to dismantle it and favor those who are worthwhile (productive) and f-ck the rest. All the unemployed are lazy therefore not worthy so they shouldn't get anything. The Sharron Angle view. Bye davdah.
                "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                • #68
                  Good thing I have davdah on ignore. I don't have to read his far right wing nonsense anymore.
                  "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                  • #69
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Senator Ehigie Edobor Uzamere:
                    And who are you to tell me what I need ? You don't know me; you don't know what I need. I know what you need; a bat in the side of your freaking head you lazy racist socialist dimwit. Get off your lazy arse and get a freaking job and a freaking life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                    Senator EEU

                    Me thinks you have been listening to Mel gibson rants too many times

                    this type of rhetoric may land you in jail in the usa. I think you also must have ties with another ilw member that had good experience with those russian women. You are lucky that you had cheryl U. At least you held on to your money, which is not likely if Cheryl had been russian, according to Mel . Oh man, had to sell the mfing Lakers box. cooooold
                    Mel must have watched too many Popeye the sailor man cartoons as a child. It seems to be all that he thinks about.



                    "Well Bl.ow me Down" and shiver me timbers
                    In that order


                    http://www.entertonement.com/c...y--Well-blow-me-down

                    Senator , I am sure you never talked to your wife this way . not Evva.

                    More from down under

                    Their best work yet Dont look at me sideways, just ......

                    Russie/aussie rant http://www.radaronline.com/exc...ou-he-says-after-she

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                    • #70
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's fair because everybody pays the same by your reasoning except it doesn't take into account what somebody actually earns.

                      All that would likely happen is a whole load of poor people would be jailed for not paying their taxes because they can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                      I am assuming that you are speaking of the flat tax. How can you say it does not take into account of what is earned and not be fair?

                      That is the point. flat tax on what you make. nobody can gripe except the rich, but at least it is fair for all involved.


                      What are you talking about "poor people" being jailed because they cant pay their taxes? Why cant they pay their taxes, and moreover, why shouldnt they pay their taxes Brit? If they had flat tax percentage withheld from their check, then at the end of the year most of the tax would be covered. Likewise, whatever is not withheld well be expected to be paid like everyone else. If some of them want to lie on the w4 about deductions to fraudulently keep more money from the government, then so be it that they get into trouble. Stop feeling sorry for some of these cheaters.

                      End these free rides and start teaching lessons in responsibility and being upright.

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                      • #71
                        Profiles in Responsibility and Uprightness - Introducing Mr Goodluck Jonathan
                        http://www.anbsoft.com/images/usflag_med.jpg

                        "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit

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                        • #72
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
                          I feel sorry for Mel, he's such a cute macho. Reminds me of someone on this forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Well I dont know about all that cute macho stuff, but 4sure those rants remind me of more than just one on this forum, unless of course they are all the same person with different id


                          Hmmmm. since we dont know who each of us is... maybe Mel Gibson is _____________
                          naw, it couldnt be

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                          • #73
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I am assuming that you are speaking of the flat tax. How can you say it does not take into account of what is earned and not be fair? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            On the face of it, a flat tax looks to be fair because everybody pays the same rate of tax right? But look further. If no account is made of somebody's actual earnings, It amounts to a tax cut for the better off sold as fair because everybody pays the same rate. One person earns $15k pa the other 80k pa. The amount of tax withheld is likely to be the same or greater as current. It's nice for those on $80k of course. Their real tax level goes down.

                            It was this very idea of a flat tax rate to pay for local services, the so-called Community Charge, that set off the famous Poll Tax riots in UK. Maggie tried to claim it was fair because everybody paid the same rate of tax but it wasn't means-tested and the above scenario occurred.

                            If the tax is withheld then it would be paid. Of course people should pay their taxes but under a flat tax system IMO it would be anything but fair. Far from it.
                            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                            • #74
                              FACTS:

                              REPUBLICANS MORE GENEROUS AND DONATE MORE TO CHARITY THAN DEMOCRATS

                              Generosity Comparison

                              REPUBLICANS BETTER EDUCATED AND HAVE HIGHER IQ THAN DEMOCRATS

                              REPUBLICANS SMARTER THAN DEMOCRATS


                              REPUBLICANS ARE WEALTHIER THAN DEMOCRATS

                              REPUBLICANS WEALTHER THAN DEMOCRATS

                              SUMMARY: REPUBLICANS ARE WEALTHIER, SMARTER AND MORE GENEROUS THAN DEMOCRATS

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                              • #75
                                Pretty funny especially the Wealth section at the end:

                                How to Tell a Democrat from a Republican
                                "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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