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    The commitee failing to make quorum is very disturbing considering that they only have about 2 weeks to get a comprehensive immigration bill ready for a full senate vote on the 27th of march.
    The extremist tactics is to delayed the push for good immigration reform as much as possible and hope the guest worker program is not agreed upon end of march, then bill frist will move ahead and present an enforcement-only bill which will be voted on instead of a real immigration bill.

    So far, the extremist plan is working and it seems like they will delay any guest worker bill unless god turns the tide against the evil doers in washington d.c.

    Maybe immortale is right, maybe it will take an enforcement-only bill to pass so that the american public could see how evil it will be and how much harm it will inflict on human beings...We will see kids getting arrested in middle of class, migrants being chased inside churches and regular citizen chasing migrants with knives and hand guns, ransom being paid to citizens that are threatening to report migrants to INS..Maybe immortale is right, maybe it will be then, americans will see how evil it is to ignore those migrants and force them to go back where they came from which a lot of them wont.How evil it is to felonised 11 million people who only unlawfully entered the US hoping to get a piece of the american life.

    This will be a sad day for Lady liberty in NYC as she wipe her teers,a sad day for a country that was built on migrants's back, but sometimes, good times has to wait untill the storm rages and comes to past.

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    The commitee failing to make quorum is very disturbing considering that they only have about 2 weeks to get a comprehensive immigration bill ready for a full senate vote on the 27th of march.
    The extremist tactics is to delayed the push for good immigration reform as much as possible and hope the guest worker program is not agreed upon end of march, then bill frist will move ahead and present an enforcement-only bill which will be voted on instead of a real immigration bill.

    So far, the extremist plan is working and it seems like they will delay any guest worker bill unless god turns the tide against the evil doers in washington d.c.

    Maybe immortale is right, maybe it will take an enforcement-only bill to pass so that the american public could see how evil it will be and how much harm it will inflict on human beings...We will see kids getting arrested in middle of class, migrants being chased inside churches and regular citizen chasing migrants with knives and hand guns, ransom being paid to citizens that are threatening to report migrants to INS..Maybe immortale is right, maybe it will be then, americans will see how evil it is to ignore those migrants and force them to go back where they came from which a lot of them wont.How evil it is to felonised 11 million people who only unlawfully entered the US hoping to get a piece of the american life.

    This will be a sad day for Lady liberty in NYC as she wipe her teers,a sad day for a country that was built on migrants's back, but sometimes, good times has to wait untill the storm rages and comes to past.

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    • #3
      Never, Never, Never!

      The elected representatives of the American people understand that their constituents are opposed to illegal immigration.

      The American people are angry that illegal aliens disregard America's sovereignty and rule-of-law.

      The American people are dismayed that many immigrants - legal and illegal - make no effort to assimilate or learn our language.

      The American people are concerned that their country's security is threatened by the drug cartels and human smugglers operating on the southern border.

      The American people wonder why their country's rule-of-law is allowed to be undermined by people who have no right to be here. They are mad-as-hell that illegal aliens commit identity theft and use counterfeit documents. Americans wonder why illegal aliens think that they are allowed to drive on our roads without driver licenses and automobile insurance.

      The American people are fed up subsidizing the social costs of illegal aliens...the hospitals and jails among others.

      In any event, it seems that...finally...the elected representatives of the American people are listening and paying attention.

      NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

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      • #4
        This is a blatant LIE when so few people spak for "AMERICAN PEOPLE".

        The movement that SunDevil represents is very vocal, no doubt, but it doesn't represent majority of American people.

        Lately there have been dozens of demonstrations. Each time there appeared thousands of people chanting and carrying PRO-immigrant slogans.
        Yet VERY FEW appeared on the streets carrying RADICALLY ANTI-IMMIGRANT slogans.

        Question is: WHY?
        Are anti-immigrants so cowardly that they can't stand by their slogans in OPEN STREETS?
        I must say I highly doubt that.
        Seems to me that they are nothing but a BIG OVERBLOWN BUBBLE ( recent investigations have shown that they are HIGHLY organized, well funded network of connected and founded by ONE person non-prof. organizations. The memberships, when TAX returns were thoroughly reviewed, have shown that numbers publicly reported are over-blown).

        But the way things WORK in real world is that there doesn't have to be a real majority behind the agenda - as long as minority that supports it is energetic, pushy and passionate about the cause , while making great deal of noise and appearance of "PUBLIC UPROAR".

        This is a PR campaign, and one MUST give a credit to radical anti-immigrants: THEY DO A PERFECT JOB ! THEY WORK INTELLIGENTLY ! THEY WORK VERY EFFECTIVELY AND THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR CAUSE!

        Whereas the immigrants and immigrant relatives, WHOSE FUTURE LIVES ARE TO BE AFFECTED BY PENDING LEGISLATIONS, show absolute feeblness of intellect, total misunderstanding of how to manage effective PR campaign, and are totally lacking any passion or commitment to the cause of their own future.

        All above taken into consideration, it is easy to predict what will follow in near future.

        President DID HIS BEST! So DID MCCAIN ! So DID SPECTER ! So did the Administration !
        But they alone can't do for immigrants what immigrants must do for themselves: let everyone know what hardships they endure, let everyone know that they are not criminals, let everyone know that there are individual circumstances that can't be just "wide-brushed" and ...

        Anyway, nothing but "Enforcement Only" provisions will pass in near future ( And deservedly so ! Immigrants deserve it!)

        Then, as years pass, this policy will fail for number of reasons. Among others: lack of resourses to enforce the law in massive scale, negative public reaction due to family separations and hardships caused and so on and so on...


        Best Regards,
        AF1

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        • #5
          Just a note: In Nazi Germany, immigrants wore blue triangles on their sleeves when they were brought to the extermination camps. they were considered subversive, were not aryans, and they took jobs from good German people.

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          • #6
            Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances "” every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task.

            Umberto Eco (c) 1995

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            • #7
              SO TRUE - -SO TRUE

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              • #8
                Glad that you agree with me !

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                • #9
                  I'm concerned about a very possible collapse of the federal criminal and justice system. If the Courts are already overwhelmed with criminal cases and appeals, the BIA is flooded with more cases than it can handle, how does the Government pretend to suddenly prosecute millions and millions of cases without violating due process and the right to a speedy trial?
                  There's already serious concern regarding the rights of all criminals being prosecuted in Federal Court, there's simply not enough resources and many cases result in dismissal based on delay and constitutional issues.
                  The projections call for 11 million illegals, but lets not forget all those who could and would be charged as accessories. The numbers could easily double. If a case results in a dismissal then what? The illegal cannot gain any status and at the same time cannot be prosecuted again for the same offense.
                  And what about all those serious and dangerous criminals? Are those cases going to be put on hold to prosecute an illegal worker? Are those cases going to be dismissed based on a violation of the constitution just to prosecute an illegal alien?
                  Even if the process ends quickly after a plea agreement, a deportation case is much more than just "shipping" the alien out of the United States. USCIS is already stretching the penny to its limits, a simple adjustment case can take years to adjudicate because of backlogs and this is the same agency that is supposed to take on the gigantic task of removing millions quickly while continuing to process existing and future cases.
                  In an ideal society there would be no war and no crime. However, societies must adapt to meet the challenges presented with realistic, practical and sound legislation; all measures must contemplate possible implications. Ending the war in Iraq, for instance, involves more than the recall of all troops, leaving the country in a chaotic state thus becoming yet another cause for concern when it comes to possible safe heavens to terrorists. The same would apply to the problem of illegal aliens, it must be handled with extreme care and caution.

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                  • #10
                    I do believe that it's more than the guest worker program holding Senators back; it's the whole immigration issue. Compromising a vote one way or another could be costly during election year. This is what I think the main issue is, politics.
                    It seems clear that things would be much different if this wasn't an election year, the enforcement only bill would have passed a long time ago along with some poor or very restricted guest worker program.
                    I believe the Specter bill without a guest worker statute has a chance at passing the Senate, after all, it leaves the door open for the future implementation of a restricted guest worker program.

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                    • #11
                      To closer we get to the mid term election, the smaller the chance to pass a guest worker program bill..One thing that may be interesting to see is, if the guest worker talks collapses completly, would the senators that pushed hard for the guest permit do a 360 and vote for the enforcement-only bill or would they all make a stand and also block the anti-immigration bill and just brush the entire immigration issue under the rugg and bring it back up in 2007 when things are a little bit cooler.

                      Hopefully the pro immigration lawmakers will be as vocal as the anti migrants groups and block the passage of senator frist's enforcement only bill.

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                      • #12
                        You guys are too naive or just pretending to be so.

                        There is a thing called "dynamics". Don't you know what that is?

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                        • #13
                          Americans who are opposed to illegal immigrants don't need to march in the streets.

                          Americans who are opposed to illegal immigrants vote in elections.

                          Americans who are opposed to illegal immigrants have the attention of their elected representatives...because they vote.

                          Who cares if illegal aliens take to the streets? Nobody cares.

                          I just wonder why I.C.E. didn't have a massive round-up!! Another opportunity missed.

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                          • #14
                            Wait, until one day you succeed in turning the decisive number of voters against what you stand for.

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                            • #15
                              Albatross--I really wish you would quit twisting U.S. history and symbols, such as Lady Liberty, in support of illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are not immigrants, and are not in keeping with our immigration history. If Lady Liberty weeps, it is to see the disrespect shown to law and justice by illegal aliens.

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