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  • AliBA
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    Jean, you don't want to admit that possibility that a guest worker program could take years to materialize, and may never, because you want and need it so badly.

    It doesn't impact my life greatly whether it does or doesn't. You can't say the same.

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  • jean2005
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    I dont think that enforcement will be run for years and years before the guest worker provision is enacted...Matterfact, i think a few raids will be enought.

    Remember, you guys NEVER wants to see the guest worker provision because it's amnesty.

    Remember, amnesty is amnesty whether it is enacted 2 years from now, tommorow or after enforcement took place.

    Remember, the senate will not pass an enforcement-only bill.

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  • AliBA
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    Jean--All lawmakers who want enforcement will have to do is show the record of lack of enforcement over the past few years, including 3 such actions for all of 2004.

    When any Administration can point to several continuous years of consistent enforcement THEN we can talk "guest worker". Otherwise, it looks what it is--political grand standing to try to get a bill through, which will evaporate once an amnesty is passed.

    Furthermore, Jean, we have a perfect right not to want any "amnesty" or "guest worker" program. It is OUR country after all (or at least SunDevil is a legal immigrant), and OUR decision, not yours. Amnesty is a gesture of forgiveness to those who have wronged you. So far, I haven't seen any illegals or employers apologizing for breaking our laws. In fact, I've seen just the opposite--demanding legal status as a right.

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  • jean2005
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    im sorry to break it to you, but 67% of the american people wants to do both..so when i say "we" i meant the american people and i.

    Remember, the american people would gladly do the guest worker program if they are convinced that enforcement will take place....I believe that the convincing is NOW taking place..i really believe this, bu this is on behalf of thousands of migrants that would get deported and maybe i will be caught too, who knows.

    Unlike you, you just dont want any guest worker even if enforcement was to be run for years and years.

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  • SunDevilUSA
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    Jean2005: When you say that "now WE must do guest worker," what exactly do you mean by "we?"

    I will remind you that you're an illegal alien and not even supposed to be in the country.

    You have no say in this matter.

    You are "they," not we.

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  • jean2005
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    Ill predict what will happen..in a couple more weeks, new raids will take place that would round up thousands, then it will continue, then the lawmakers that are arguing that the goverment wont do enforcment, wold not have an excuse to why we cant do both since enforcement is currently taking place.

    this is sad that so many migrants will pay by being deported, but i think this is the new tactic bush is taken so he could guaranty the passage of the hagl/martinez bill.

    now, lawmakers wont be able to come to the floor and say that enforcement is not taking place..enforcement is currently takin place, now we must do guest worker.

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  • SunDevilUSA
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    Jean2005: You don't know anything. You are simply hoping...and that is very different.

    Your hope is misplaced, though, as the America people will prevail in this regard. There will be no amnesty.

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  • jean2005
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    The american people would gladly accept the hagel/marinez if bush can prove to them that he will indeed do enforcement whyle he does the guest worker provision..and with the new raids, i think the american people are convinced.

    Remember, the american public already support the guest worker+enforcement on a 67% scale...unlike the other people like aliba and sundevilusa who just dont want any ype of guest worker EVER even if enforcement had been running for years, the american people would take both, as long as enforcement is running.

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  • SunDevilUSA
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    Antivirus: where did you copy your fake Social Security Card from this time? Haven't you been deported yet?

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  • AliBA
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    Yes, they trust Bush so much that his popularity just hit an all time low yesterday.

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  • antivirus
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    DumbDevilUSA, where did you copy your response from this time?

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  • jean2005
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    The american people already support the hagel/martinez compromise by a 67% scale, so when they see the pictures of enforcemen being done, they will be more likely to trust bush into implementing the gues worker program because they are now convince that enforcement is taken place.

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  • jean2005
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    Here's in interesting quote from an article in a major newspaper.
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    For conservative Republicans who have argued for a hard-line approach that focuses exclusively on tougher enforcement, the scale of the raids and the arrest of managers could be seen as a demonstration that the Bush administration could be trusted to enforce immigration laws vigorously. Though hiring illegal immigrants has been a crime since 1986, there has been virtually no enforcement of that law, a fact that angers conservatives.

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  • AliBA
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    Now, Jean--Do you really think we, and most Americans who are familiar with immigration issues, don't realize that these sudden efforts at enforcement are a cynical political ploy?!

    Even Sen. Reid has come out and said it.

    It will take YEARS of enforcement efforts to convince the public that the administration is serious about it, hence years before any guest worker program. One, or even hundreds of enforcement efforts after years of neglect doesn't prove commitment. In fact, the timing of the raids, coming as it does after the "immigration protests" and the failure of the Senate bill, reinforces the claim that it was done purely for political purposes, and will be discontinued as soon as those purposes are achieved. What YOU should be worried about is that this raid PROVES that enforcement can be done, IF the administration decides it will be.

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  • SunDevilUSA
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    Jean2005: Your analysis of the American political process is off-base, as usual.

    You can rest assured that lawmakers have heard an earful from their constituents...and said constituents want their borders enforced and you and your freeloading illegal countrymen deported.

    I think that you are so unassimilated that you fail to recognize the anger that Americans feel on this issue.

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