Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Danger Presented By Dual Citizenship

Collapse
X
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • HBKHBK
    replied
    Dav, you are wrong.
    Our hospital and as many others ALWAYS treat people for free if its ONLY an emergency.

    Aka,you are brought to the hospital with a serious injury etc..and U are poor and not even have an ID on ya aka homeless etc...

    But if you go with no insurance to an ER because of a major headache, you won;t be seen,especially not if you are not even working etc.

    Look,u talk like there is only gray and black.But there is also blue.

    SO don;t tell me abour rusia,whent there is england,france italy and germany around it.

    Germany has for example best leading dental work and experience.
    The thing in the US with us is...we have the best stuff,we have everything...
    its not about who has the best health treatment and maybe cure,its about getting it.

    Yeah we in the US lead about alot of stuff with special surgery and what not.That has however nothing to do with it.

    I give you an example my friend, and by the way "jabronie" is not a bad thing lol

    Here is my example though.Assume you are a resident from germany or england or france right now right,but U are also living in the US as a citizen or resident.
    Now imagine and hope God that will never happen.Your son or your wife,would get a very bad cancer,and will need a transplant.Your insurance most likely will fight to death not to pay for it,or agree to pay maybe 30% of it,which would still ruin your financially,since a tranplant ususally starts with a cost of 200 to 300 thouhsand dollars..and with all the treatments,and meds after the surgery more.
    Most insurance companies try anything and everyhting to avoid these cost,or deny simple the coverage...
    Now imagine this happens to your family and U are also a resident of germany,or france etc.

    You would fly to germany have her treated there,have the surgery there...and not having to worry about the cost what so ever.
    Thats the thing...
    Thats what I would do...and anyone else...unless u are super rich and wouldn't care about couple hundred grands

    I mean I have dental insruance....I had to get a crown a year ago,which i think I mentioned here before.Even with my dental insurance,my crown,with rootcanal would have cost me 1800 bucks.

    Guess what i did,I took a week off from work, flew to germany for 5 days,and the 3rd day of my visit in germany I visted my dentist there and have all that stuff done for ZERO money.
    And my whole trip cost me 850 bucks...so I basically saved another 800 bucks and had a nice vacation and saw my family for a week.


    I keep telling this story to my co workers and doctors and U know what the physicians say to me when I tell them that.
    "That tells you,whats wrong with our health carse system" these are physicians who safe live,highly educated people.Knowing and agreeing with our health care system problem.

    And by the way,the dental work is a good as any dentist would have done here in the U.S. maybe even better.

    PS: Jake, I know what U mean I probabaly said it wrong.Yes we pay for it through taxes of other forms,social security and so forth.
    U pay into the health care system which is a single payer system...

    Leave a comment:


  • Jake01
    replied
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SonofMichael:
    Yea ; good luck at one of those clinics !!

    For all the free health care freeloaders; just a quick question; why do you bother staying in the US when all these countries are "free" to live in? Or go to CA or TX. Sounds like a great deal; what is stopping you from leaving the US (CA and TX no longer count as being in the US due to their idiocy. Why not catch the next flight out of here? There must be some reason;(excluding the fact that you are lying of course)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    HBKHBK has got it a little wrong, it is not entirely free, we do pay for it, just as you do with medical insurance, we pay into NHS infact we pay into Social Security, and I think Bush at one time was saying about this. the amount is based on what you earn, like another tax, probably like your state tax. but this payment gives us free hospital, and doctor visits, and free dental up to a certain age, depending on if you are still studying, it also gives us a state pension. I was explaining this to davdah in another thread.

    Leave a comment:


  • SonofMichael
    replied
    Yea ; good luck at one of those clinics !!

    For all the free health care freeloaders; just a quick question; why do you bother staying in the US when all these countries are "free" to live in? Or go to CA or TX. Sounds like a great deal; what is stopping you from leaving the US (CA and TX no longer count as being in the US due to their idiocy. Why not catch the next flight out of here? There must be some reason;(excluding the fact that you are lying of course)?

    Leave a comment:


  • SonofMichael
    replied
    Anyone who thinks California is a model for any kind of economic system is nuts. I have spent a lot of time there and it is insane. It has attracted all the homeless people from all over the country (because of its "free" medical care no doubts !) Did you forget the fiasco when CA tried to take over the electricity? Sure it was free, and almost caused the State to go bankrupt and people to lose electricity and in some cases die (oops !). And as far as Russia, you would be insane to get anything medical done there. As a matter of fact, I did consider getting my hair transplant there and it was cheaper (and better) in the USA.

    I guess you need to be talked to like children since you have a child's mentality; NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE. Someone has to work and pay for things. Nothing is free. Its not like we are little babies and Mommy and Daddy buy us things. Government is not and should not be our surrogate Mommy and Daddy. We are supposed to be responsible adults. Stop the "immigrant mentality" that you need government to hold your hand and take care of you. Get a job and pay your own way. Accept responsibility. Accept freedom. This is called individual responsibility. THIS IS FREEDOM. Some can't handle it (Read Eric Fromm "Escape from freedom" explaining the rise of Nazi Germany from a psychlogical POV).

    This is why the American Medical system is the envy of the world. The only people that support socialized medicine are the people that don't have it !

    Leave a comment:


  • Hudson
    replied
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Although this post started out as a joke it has turned into a real issue. Imagine that!

    HBK you have made a few errors. For one any idiot can not walk into walmart and buy a gun. Especially if it is a pistol. I don't think walmart even sells handguns any more. If you want to buy a handgun there is a waiting period and you have to pass a written test with an emphasis on safety. Rifles also have a waiting period now. I can't say if a test is required on rifles since I haven't bought one. Aside from that our constitution says we can have a gun.

    I agree we need regulation. No one really needs a fully automatic Uzi or a rocket launcher. But there is nothing wrong with having any number of other types.

    To compare a state run medical program to a commercial one is fairly easy. Look at the medical program provided by welfare and one by a insurance carrier. I would much rather be in the hands of Kaiser than Medi-Cal. The for profit insurance companies focus on prevention since it is better for their bottom line and also our own health. A win win situation. The state run programs don't care one way or the other. They generally provide the minimum level of care to get by.

    The only real benefit with the welfare program is you don't pay for it. Or so it seems. No one wants to pay for medical expenses. The truth is it isn't for free. The tax rates they have in countries with the supposed free stuff programs is astronomical.

    If we look at old laws in various European countries I'm sure we could find some that were just as bad as the Jim Crow laws. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    There is a 7 day waiting period for handgun purchases as well as 20 plus states having the gun show loop hole clause. it is also the reason why I believe that if one purchases a firearm, one should show due dillagence in restraint as well as use of the firearm. That is why I am more in favor of gun education by private organizations, local police enforcement, and other groups so that the 35000 or so gun accidents can be reduced dramitically, and not by eliminating the purchase of guns by private citizens (true gun control).

    Leave a comment:


  • SonofMichael
    replied
    FACTS ABOUT THE COUNTRIES YOU CONVENIENTLY FAILED TO MENTON (Source CIA FACTBOOK)

    GERMAN Life Expect 78.95 GDP Per Capita $31,900 GDP Growth 2.7% Unemployment 7.1%

    FRENCH Life Expect 80.59 GDP Per Capita $31,100 GDP Growth 2.1 % Unemplyment 8.7%

    BRITISH Lie Expect 78.7 GDP Per Capita $31,800 GDP growth 2.8 % Unemplyment 2.9 %

    UNITED STATES Life Expect 78 GDP Per Capita $44,000 GDP growth 3.2% %Unemployment 4.4 %

    The US has $13,000 a year more in per capita over all three countries; about 33 % Greater than these countries. The "free" health care is costing them $13K a year. The US GDP is also growing 50 % greater GDP growth, the US has half the unempoyment ofmost of these coutries. Furthermore, the US has the highest home ownership rates in the world. Our lifespan is the same or greater considering the effect of shorter lived blacks in the US bringing down the average.

    Of course doctors would rather have the government run them; they would have to answer to no one for their incomptence and laziness. Accountability - who needs that ! The United States is the premier destination for those people wealthy to enough to afford the best medical care. Those who can afford to come to America do. The rest just die or suffer. Great system you support.

    The United States us the premier destination for students to attend Universities. Degrees from the best European Universities mean little or nothing compared to a degree from the worst schools in the United States.

    And one final proof of the superiority of our system is that you are still here rather than there. If you think it is so great, go there; no one is stopping you.

    Leave a comment:


  • HBKHBK
    replied
    There is still howevere something wrong in our system and easy excess guns and Rifles.

    Especially if a 19 year old person,can walk into walkmart in the United States, buy a 6 pack of budlight and a Rifles with bullets.
    He will be allowed to purchase the Rifles and Bullets,but has to leave the very extreme dangerous six pack of beer behind,because its a danger to society lol

    PS: Jake01, don't u love it though,when people who have never lived in a system that provides free universal health care,talking it down and how it even though they never been in to that country before,no lived there before...

    Jake,you are right we in the US pay almost as much tax as most socialist european countries,and do not even have 30% of what they have.

    Davdah, U must have some nervs talking about "people can get government health care etc" Guess what U can not.

    Here is the deal and please do not argue with me,since I know this for fact.
    Listen I lived in a social system.I am an R.N. in a big Hospital and say patients come and go every single day with problems and issues about bills and insurance and coverage.

    Now...In our country the U.S. not you,your employer who u work for gets and provides you with health insurance and that is not even mandatory,its every employers option.
    So if someone works somewhere for a living,but the employer does not provie health insurance, jabronies like you,who have no knoweldge would say " buy your own insurance "
    Here is the problem.If someone wants to buy in our country his own health insurance,he first needs to get approved,meaning..its like applying to have health insurance,and being denied because of being too over weight nor having too many past illnesses.
    Andif someone is able to his own insurance and is approved,that person will pay his a.s.s. of even being able to keep up with the high monthly premiums,plus not to mention,the deductibles,co pays etc...

    And U say,the government has free health care to those in need etc...

    Listen...if a person maks over 15 grand a year,he is earning too much to have some health insurance for free etc..

    Not even the poor get health insurance...

    U do not know what I see every day at the hospital...

    people being treated and crying because of the medical bill they will face,even with insurance.

    Do you know,the number one reason for bankrupcy in our country is medical bills????

    Do you think any german,british french citizen has this problem,or even close????

    Because of having a system as we do here in the US today,people and dr.'s and even nurses can get sued.

    No other european countries has this problem with law suits either...

    95% of all american physicians and surgens,would prefer universal health care run by the government.

    Whats the benefit of universal health care????

    Every single person is covered.
    There is no such thing as Co Pays, Deductibles,
    Higher permuims.
    No private insurance companies deciding wheter u can or can not have surgery.
    The DR. alone decides whats best for you,without having waste his time with someone on the phone.
    Anything and everyhting is covered under universal health care,unless its cosmetics.

    U can see any dr. within the whole country...
    U can havex rays, bloodworks...and not having to worry about if its gonna cost you anything

    No limit how often u can see a dr. a year and no limit how often u can use your dental..its unlimited.
    Free hospital and doctor visits.

    The list is endless,than you have those d.ummies...who have never lived in countries like that,saying **** like " in those countries,u have to wait for months to see a dr"
    The doctors and treatment there are not good, or stuff like " those countries are financially going down"

    All those countries doing better than ever...

    Did I mention u can get a free college education as well? up to a PH.D????

    I paid more money for in 1 semester in the U.S. just for my books than a PHD graduate from a univsersity in europe,who spent 8 years in school,spending and graduating without owing a penny to no one.Cause its free

    Like I said, it tells you alot about a humans/ person personality....if someone beliefs in human rights and believes everyone should have health insurance and be covered and have free education and see's health insurance and education as Right and not as privilege.

    Now U use your opinion,what it tells you about someone character who believes the other way.

    Cause I like to believe I am caring person and not selfish and am smart enough to know and realize and agree,paying a bit more tax benefits everyone and helps everyone...

    Its WE and not ME.

    Leave a comment:


  • ProudUSC
    replied
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jake01:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Although this post started out as a joke it has turned into a real issue. Imagine that!

    . For one any idiot can not walk into walmart and buy a gun.

    .

    The only real benefit with the welfare program is you don't pay for it. Or so it seems. No one wants to pay for medical expenses. The truth is it isn't for free. The tax rates they have in countries with the supposed free stuff programs is astronomical.

    . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Ok, How on earth did that Student in Virginia get his guns!!!!

    In England our taxes are about the same as yours, but we dont pay a state tax, we pay into NHS, which gives us free hospital and doctor visits,, our medication cost (the last time I was home) was around $20 per prescription, that prescription can have as many as 5 different medications and it will still be around 10 pounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It's pretty simple, Jake01, how the person who murdered 32 students got his weapons. Very loose gun laws, lack of background checks when he bought them!!!!!! No record of his mental disability - nonone was paying close enough attention to him. Such a said situation!

    Leave a comment:


  • Jake01
    replied
    Ok I am probably waffling on now, but our local Bobbies (sherriffs) do not carry guns, they have to call on a swat team, when I use to watch "cops" on British TV I couldnt beleive how the cops treated people over here, now I understand, and I support any trooper in umiform.

    Leave a comment:


  • Jake01
    replied
    I would also like to add, I think there is some laws in certain states, if not all, that weapons, drugs etc., are not allowed within so many feet of schools.

    I think there should be stricted rules in owning a gun, you see so many deaths of young children getting killed. Guns should be kept locked at home, if you want to use it then join a firing range, unless of course you need to use it to defend yourself and your property.

    Leave a comment:


  • Jake01
    replied
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Although this post started out as a joke it has turned into a real issue. Imagine that!

    . For one any idiot can not walk into walmart and buy a gun.

    .

    The only real benefit with the welfare program is you don't pay for it. Or so it seems. No one wants to pay for medical expenses. The truth is it isn't for free. The tax rates they have in countries with the supposed free stuff programs is astronomical.

    . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Ok, How on earth did that Student in Virginia get his guns!!!!

    In England our taxes are about the same as yours, but we dont pay a state tax, we pay into NHS, which gives us free hospital and doctor visits,, our medication cost (the last time I was home) was around $20 per prescription, that prescription can have as many as 5 different medications and it will still be around 10 pounds.

    Leave a comment:


  • Rough Neighbor
    replied
    I'm just wondering where all this jargon is coming from? If a permanent resident, who became so on an I-751 waiver, prior to that as an au pair J-1 exchange program beneficiary, and now contemplating to file an N-400 (successful, yes, but which by any normal immigration standards is an eye-of-the-needle struggle, so to speak, means only that to live permanently in America is worth it all), who now sees nothing good about US laws and/or its systems, the very country that feeds him...... and calls the country (or continent) that he escaped from paradise........ I don't know, I must be missing something here........ yeah, some common sense...... I'm trying to find my way to follow...... I'm scratching my head till it hurt!

    Leave a comment:


  • Kollerkrot
    replied
    Dummheit bekaempfen selbst die Goetter vergebens! - Friedrich Schiller

    Leave a comment:


  • HBKHBK
    replied
    I assume I am having a conversation with people,who A have no proper knowledge nor education,nor all around knowledge about the system and other countries system,and still dare to talk about countries they have never been in or lived at.
    So please,lets not waste my time with this.

    But I tell you this my friend,the law aka constitution does NOT say we can have a gun"
    Thats how "you guys" like to read it...right the bear arms actually,but then again.A person with an I.Q. and common sence also knows when this was written into the law lol

    As far health care goes,I am not going to talk that with you guys.A I work in a health care field and have my masters in health care field aka nursing field,and I do not know one physician who loves our health care system that is run by private insurance companies in which the dr. has to aks for premission in our country from the insurance company if he can perform a surgery.And you guys love that?????
    If a doctor says "u need this surgery,but before he can perform,he has to ask,not you,but the private insurance company if its okay and if they approve it.

    Look I lived in a free universal health system and as a matter fact still have it.U won't find one single western european citizen,that would dare to switch their health coverage for one single minute with ours here...so please.

    We live in a system her ein the U.S. were people can not even get health insurance because of an illness they might already have,or being a bit bigger etc...
    not to mention over 40 millions do not have insurance,( 10 million of them are children)and the ones who do have insurance will get suprised when an insurance company denies a claim, because its too expensive.
    And remember we are suppose to be the richest nation on earth.

    We have billions of money eahc month to spent in war,but do not have the money to safe lives and secure lives of sick people in our own country our own people?

    Speaking of no child left behind,we do not even have mandatory health coverage for children.
    So our system basicallt says "if your mom or dad do not have insurance,u my little baby are screwed" nice way huh?

    Lets assume I am wrong,how about you idiots,ask any american physician and ask him "Doctor,do you think we have a good health care system her ein the U.S." His answer will be NO.

    And YES if I say free it is free,u do not have to have a Ph.D to know,its provided through and by paying taxes duh.

    Nazi??? socialist countries are Nazi's???
    its funny hearing that from people,who can not even find germany on the map,not to mention what Nazi actually means.
    So according to you j.e.r.k. offs, every european country are nazi's,since they all have free univeral health care and free college education. Wow,what nazi europe ey? lol idiots.

    Oh and for the records....In Ohio and Texas,since i lived in both states.
    When I say "GUN" I mean anyhting that can shoot a kill a human. U can walk in to any wal mart by the way nation wide and buy a rifles and bullets,and U only have to proof u are 18,no test,no waiting time,nothing...to me thats sick.

    U do not believe me...go to your local walmart.All U have to provide is you valid state id or drivers license.
    Gun, Rifles...who cares.

    But I always love to see you guy's faces,since u guys are in love with guns and that anyone should have it...if your children ever experience a school shooting and something terrible happens,just remember,to still love and support to have a gun...

    I am sure the Virgnia Tech's students parents,would love to hear that.
    The guy who shot everyone,bought the gun legally a well,2 weeks prior to the shooting.Speaking of waiting hmm?

    PS: in the state of Georgia,you can buy a gun anytime,and anyone can no waiting either,a Gun that is...which is sick.

    But that best statement was

    I would much rather be in the hands of Kaiser than Medi-Cal.

    I will actually print this statement and show to my co workers and physicians. LOL
    someone speaks for HMO and likes them lol...

    WussBoy of Michael...u are not only pathetic,but also a pathetic loser.Why don't you make a like a tree - and get out of here.B.utthead

    Leave a comment:


  • SonofMichael
    replied
    HK is an idiot and doesn't even know our laws. We have very strict gun laws. And if he loves socialism (Nazism) so much, why doesn't he go to one of these paradises that people are so desperate to get out of?

    Again only a retard die hard Nazi/Commie still believes there are things "for free" that no one has to work. Anytiime someone makes this statement, you know you are dealing with a 2 year old child or a mentally impaired adult. Nothing is free.

    For this to be true, Doctors, lawyers and everyone else would work for free for the "common good". Ask Germany and Russia how good that idea works. Go to Canada and ask the elderly how the system works if you can find anyone over 70 that is still alive because generally they are left to die because they just aren't worth it according to the state beurocrats. And heaven forbid if these same goverment officials deem a group of people undesirable. In the past we have seen negroes, jews, Christians, homosexuals and other groups persecuted by these people. Today the white heterpsexual male is being persecuted. And they always use "health" laws to enforce these laws for people's own good.

    This is why we need the Uzis and M-15's to be sold at Wal-Mart.

    Leave a comment:

Sorry, you are not authorized to view this page

Home Page

Immigration Daily

Archives

Processing times

Immigration forms

Discussion board

Resources

Blogs

Twitter feed

Immigrant Nation

Attorney2Attorney

CLE Workshops

Immigration books

Advertise on ILW

EB-5

移民日报

About ILW.COM

Connect to us

Questions/Comments

SUBSCRIBE

Immigration Daily



Working...
X