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  • jean2005
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    While the immigration debate has divided Republican members of Congress, a majority of the public supports Bush's approach. A Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll last month showed 63 percent of U.S. adults support proposals to give legal status to undocumented workers and legislation that combines tougher enforcement of immigration laws with new temporary-worker programs. Among Republican voters, 64 percent support such a proposal, the April 8-11 poll found.

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  • Antifascist1
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    you are just a anti immigrant guy.
    I am just as much anti-immigrant as you are pro-immigrant

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  • jean2005
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    Hve you been watching the news lately?? are you aware that the house GOP members are predicted to lose enought seats to swing the balance of power to the democrats??..karl rove, who i would think knows much more then you, has stated that immigration legislature will help incumbents get re elected in compare to nothing being done..and he's the guy in charge in analyzing those stuff so you would think he knows much more then you.

    Karl rove understand that legislature will help them keep the house and you dont know nothing..you are just a anti immigrant guy.

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  • Antifascist1
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    I don't understand what is your goal in misleading.

    Latinos aren't very likely to come and read what you write on this site.
    So, who are you trying to mislead here?

    Polls DO show that more than half of Americans support Guest Worker program, but House Representatives are not elected in direct proportion to what polls say.

    Each Representative is elected by certain District, and Districts are pretty safe for most of the incumbents, no matter how much the rest of the country disagrees with them, as long as the individual Representative does what his District voters want him/her to do.

    And this is just ONE aspect to mention..


    IE

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  • jean2005
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    Sensenbrenner constutuency might be anti-latino, but would the republican party allow sensenbrenner constituency, to dictate in what direction the party goes? and disregard the latinoe bloc? which is the fastest growing bloc in american history?

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  • jean2005
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    Again, polls after polls have shown that the american public are willing to accept the legaliztion part, as long as the border are shut and keeps future amnesty seekers from entering and wait for upcoming amnesty...polls after polls...and i believe that this theory is true..if you give the american public a very strong enoforcement bill(which i think the senate has reached and still improving it), then add a guest worker to it, the public will take it for the fact that enforcment only is just inhuman..you might hate latinoes, but would you pass a bill to treats them like dogs? and ignore the fact that some of them have families and kids that are Citizens?..for this facts alone, the american public supports the senate version on a landslide against the house approch...also, you cant deport 12 million people or starve them to death by nutrition like tancredo is advocating.

    if you havent noticed, tancredoes and others no longer advocate mass deportation, but advocate starvation and hoping that they leave on their own lol, very laughable...SO IF MASS DEPORTATION IS INHUMAN AND THE WORLD WILL COME HARD ON THE UNITED STATES , WHAT WILL THE WORLD THINK ABOUT A LESGISLATURE THAT IS WRITTEN TO STARVE HUMAN BY TAKING AWAY THEIR JOB AND SHUTTING SCHOOLS TO NON CITIZEN KIDS?? NEVER WILL HAPPEN.

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  • Talisker
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    There is so much more to this Bill....
    How do you think will the Latino population react when the Bill would fail or even worse there would be enforcement only.
    Do you remember the riots in LA in the 90's?

    Also, the big companies are not interested in being hassled.

    Don't get to excited about the rumours and newspapers. It only fills columns and airtime.

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  • Antifascist1
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    Actually, knowing the stand of Rep. Sesenbrenner constituencies, you should be aware that Sesenbrenner and other strong backers of HR4437 in the House have more to gain if they pass nothing, than if they concede to the Senate and allow for passage of what they call an "amnesty" bill.

    Again, you either don't know anything about House and Districts that elect Representatives and the entire legislative process/forces, or else you are trying to mislead your readers.

    IE

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  • jean2005
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    sensenbrenner might be a tought negotiator, but is he willing to do so at the perils on his fellow incumbent republicans WHO will face tought re election bids???...Now, sensenbrenner might not care, but would Hastert, and even Bohener allow him to proceed and not accepting tought enforcement + guest worker when they know that if the bill passes congress, then G.O.P members are most likely to be re elected because republicans will claim the credit??..

    this is the questions that should be asked...the answer to that is that no party should let one person hold a gun to their head, and this is what sensenbrenner will attempt to do...my prediction is, that they will be so much pressure to get something pass before election that the majority of GOP members will let sensnebrenner know to let it go and let the president get the credit for the legislature.i believe that bush has more support then hastert, even at his low ratings and could easily get those members behind him.

    THE REASON WHY SO MANY HOUSE GOP RISK LOSING THEIR SEAT IN NOVEMEBER IS BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT LOW APPROAVAL RATINGS, AND IMMIGRATION COULD BRING THE NUMBER UP, THUS HELPING THEM GET RE ELECTED.

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  • Antifascist1
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    The one who is bluffing here is you, Jean, not Sesenbrenner in House
    Latter is very powerful Congressman, known to get his way whenever he wished so.

    Regards,
    IE

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  • jean2005
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    I think Sensenbrenner is holding a double sided sword. He wants border security and he gets it. If he keeps stalling it will show rasitic tendencies and reflect bad on the Republicans.

    If the Bill gets stalled again by the Republicans, it will show that the party lacks leadership and unity. This would not look good on re-elections.
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    Great point..this is what people like antifascist does not understand..they seem to forget that if the bill falters in the senate-house hearing, the blame will be put on the shoulder of the republicans and specially sensenbrenner..is sensenbrenner ready to get blame for immigration legislature being pass before the novemeber election?...is he ready to get the blame once the democrats wins back the house?? then the democrats turns around and pass a full force amnesty..sensenbrenner will be thinking back and he will notice that the bill the senate wrote before the election was schedule to legalize about 8 to 9 million but now, with the democrats in charge, everyone will ge amnestied, including deportees.

    sensenbrenner needs to think long and hard before assuming that the senate will falter to their wishes...if im the senate, then i wait them out, and make it clear to sensenbrenner that we are willing to wait pass the elcetion.

    i belive sensenbrenner is bluffing, i dont think he feels they have power over the senate since the majority of house republicans will be up for election..this alone tells you all the pressure is on sensenbrenner..id rather have no bill then have sensenbrenner to rewrite the senate bill and stripping guest worker off.

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  • Talisker
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    I would expect that many calls are made behind closed doors while the Senate writes its Bill. I assume in includes most of the "troublemakers".

    To add to the rumour mill, supposendly Reid and Frist struck a deal about who will be the Senate members for the conference commitee, supposendly the authors of the bill.

    I think Sensenbrenner is holding a double sided sword. He wants border security and he gets it. If he keeps stalling it will show rasitic tendencies and reflect bad on the Republicans.

    If the Bill gets stalled again by the Republicans, it will show that the party lacks leadership and unity. This would not look good on re-elections.

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  • Antifascist1
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    Have you noticed that the only one doing the talkings in the house are people that does not hold the power to block the senate bill??
    Someone who doesn't read the press, doesn't know anything about House, never watched those debates live on C-Span, never noticed the legislations passed and pattern of their outcome from House-Senate Conference talks, well, such person could be misled by your unfounded and unrealistic remarks.

    But I am not such a person - to be easily misled.


    P.S. There is no need to comment on the rest of your post.

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  • jean2005
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    Have you noticed that the only one doing the talkings in the house are people that does not hold the power to block the senate bill?? sensenbrenner is only one vote, althought he's the chairman, he does not hold influencial power on where conferees and house votes goes...in fact, i believe the president could easily pressure the conferees members in supporting his stance...in fact, sensenbrenner does not hold power on who will have a conferee seat....hastert is a supporter of bush...karl rove is in charge of all g.o.p re election bids..in fact, karl rove holds more power then sensenbrenner...tom tancredo should not even be mention because i believe he's not an obstacle.

    i beleive that the senate bill will be put on the house floor, and let the extremists defeat the bill in their home court...president bush has stated that they should prove to him that they can defeat it there, then he will accept the enforcement only.

    public polls are showing the the majority of the american public now support both, enforcement and guest worker, instead of just enforcement...also, mccain is shown by polls as the main competitor for the presidential office and he support amnesty..so much about the american public voting against anyone that speak for amnesty.

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  • Antifascist1
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    I don't believe in rumors

    I have this reliable apparatus right above my shoulders - and it is much more precise than you think.

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