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**whknapp** · 12-07-2007, 09:37 AM

I have a great idea. Why don't you use this thread that you just created to post all that information, as 4now suggested?. We all would appreciate that, since you wouldn't be flooding the board with so many posts. Thanks...

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by whknapp:
I have a great idea. Why don't you use this thread that you just created to post all that information, as 4now suggested?. We all would appreciate that, since you wouldn't be flooding the board with so many posts. Thanks...

I'll make you a deal. If you You Tube yourself (and provide the link) bending over with your head between your legs and you can actually l-ick that nub hiding between your huge testicles, I'll pretend like anything you say matters to me.

You need to stay out of grown folks business. Okay you big mouthed, tiny P-rick?

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 12:05 PM

LMAO . . .*takes a bow*

Here's some more articles that may interest you guys:

MS-13 GANG MEMBER SENTENCED TO 35 YEARS
ON RACKETEERING CHARGES

MS-13 Gang Operated in Prince George's and Montgomery Counties Through
Racketeering Activity That Included Six Murders in Maryland and One in Virginia

Greenbelt, Maryland - U.S. District Judge Deborah K. Chasanow sentenced Edgar Alberto Ayala, age 29, of Suitland, Maryland, today to 35 years in prison, followed by five years of supervised release for conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to participate in a racketeering enterprise and conspiracy to commit assaults with a deadly weapon, in order to maintain and increase his position in MS-13, announced United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein.

United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein said, "Today's lengthy sentence is the result of a coordinated effort by federal, state and local authorities to combat violent gangs in Maryland. The RICO statute allows us to prosecute gang members in federal court for the activities of the criminal organization they chose to join. Most Maryland jurisdictions have adopted anti-gang strategies that combine law enforcement, education and community awareness in a coordinated program to deter gang violence."

Special Agent in Charge Gregory K. Gant of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stated, "ATF has stated, and will continue to state that we will not tolerate gang violence. Together with our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners, we will continue to dismantle the gangs that terrorize our communities. Today's sentencing shows how serious we are in bringing every violent member of MS-13 to justice, so that our law abiding citizens can feel safe where they live and work."

Chief Melvin C. High, Prince George's County Police Department, said, "Sharing the intelligence our gang unit had developed over two years on six homicides was put to best advantage through this regional partnership of local state and federal partners. The commitment and skill of the federal prosecutor's office to forge ahead on these most challenging cases has resulted in the guilty verdicts that all our communities want and are demanding." High added, "I want to congratulate U.S. Attorney Rosenstein. This and every victory like it substantiates the need and importance of a unified response to gangs and other criminal activity."

Colonel David Rohrer, Chief of Police, Fairfax County Police Department, said, "Nothing can compensate a family or a community when a young person such as 14-year-old Anthony Campos is murdered, but I hope this conviction and today's sentence bring those who loved Anthony some measure of solace. At least one of the gang leaders responsible for Anthony's senseless killing won't be walking free among us, able to inflict more pain on innocent children and their families, for many years." Colonel Rohrer added, "The Fairfax County Police Department remains committed to combating violent criminal gangs and I commend the cooperative efforts of my detectives, other local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, and the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Maryland for this investigation and conviction."

"This sentence is another good step in the efforts to eradicate the violence perpetrated by gangs in our region. Through the thorough teamwork of our local, state and federal law enforcement partners we will apprehend, arrest and prosecute these perpetrators wherever they are in the region. Gangs know no borders, law enforcement must work cooperatively across those borders. I commend Deputy State's Attorney Laura Gwinn, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Sandra Wilkinson and James Trusty on their tremendous work prosecuting this case," commented Glenn F. Ivey, State's Attorney for Prince George's County, Maryland.

John McCarthy, State's Attorney for Montgomery County said "I welcome the opportunity to work with our federal partners in addressing the growing presence of gangs in Maryland. It is only through coordination between federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies that we can ensure public safety and effectively address the dangers posed by gangs."

A federal jury convicted Ayala and co-defendant Oscar Ramos Velasquez, in November, 2006, after a six week trial. According to testimony at the trial, the defendants conspired to operate an MS-13 enterprise in Prince George's and Montgomery Counties through a pattern of racketeering activity which included six murders in Maryland and one in Virginia; the use of deadly weapons including firearms, baseball bats, machetes, bottles or knives in the commission of numerous murders, attempted murders and assaults; assaults on an MS-13 gang member from El Salvador, juvenile females and rival gang members; kidnaping; robbery; obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

Ayala falsely testified before a state grand jury in Prince George's County that was investigating the May 2004 murder of Ashley Antonio Urias. On January 21, 2005 Ayala picked up other MS-13 gang members and drove with them to an apartment building in Fairfax, Virginia to look for rival gang members. Two MS-13 gang members, Jose Hipolito Cruz Diaz, a/k/a "Pirana," age 28, of Lanham, Maryland and Omar Vasquez, a/k/a "Duke," age 28, shot at the crowd of youths sitting outside the apartment building, injuring two juveniles and murdering a third juvenile. Cruz Diaz and Vasquez were convicted on April 27, 2007 of conspiracy to participate in a racketeering enterprise and conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering.

Velasquez, age 21, of Baltimore is scheduled to be sentenced on July 23, 2007 and faces a maximum sentence of life in prison for conspiracy to participate in a racketeering enterprise. Velasquez was also convicted of two counts of assault with a deadly weapon in aid of racketeering and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence.

To date, this office has charged 41 gang members with various federal offenses, with 27 defendants charged in this RICO conspiracy case. Fourteen MS-13 gang members have been convicted in this RICO conspiracy case. Cruz Diaz, Omar Vasquez and Henry Zelaya, age 20, who was also convicted on April 27, 2007 face life in prison at their sentencings on August 10, 2007, August 6, 2007 and July 30, 2007, respectively. Seven defendants, all of Maryland, have pleaded guilty, including Barahona, age 23, of Hyattsville, who was sentenced on April 16, 2007 to 14 years in prison; Ronaldo Diaz Vasquez, age 26, of Wheaton, who was sentenced on April 2, 2007 to nine years in prison; Franklin Mejia Molina, age 23, of Silver Spring, who was sentenced on December 4, 2006 to over 9 years (114 months)in prison; and Juan Lopez, age 21, of Riverdale, who was sentenced on October 16, 2006 to 87 months in prison, all for racketeering conspiracy. Jose Pena Aguilar, age 25, of Beltsville, was sentenced to 10 years in prison on November 6, 2006 for using a firearm in furtherance of a racketeering conspiracy, to be served consecutive to a 20 year sentence received in the Circuit Court, Prince George's County for attempted murder.

United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Prince George's County Police Department; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; the Montgomery County Department of Police; the Howard County Police Department; the Maryland National Capital Park Police; the Maryland State Police and the Fairfax County, Virginia Police Department for their investigative work.

Mr. Rosenstein thanked Prince George's County State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey, Montgomery County State's Attorney John McCarthy, and Fairfax County, Virginia, Commonwealth's Attorney Robert F. Horan, Jr., for the assistance that they and their offices provided.

Mr. Rosenstein commended Assistant U.S. Attorneys Sandra Wilkinson, James Trusty and Chan Park, Prince George's County Assistant State's Attorney Laura Gwinn, and Trial Attorney David Jaffe, a prosecutor for the Justice Department's Gang Squad, who are prosecuting these cases.

Take care Davdah!

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 12:12 PM

MS 13
and the American Policy Mirror

By Diego Laserna

On September 11, 2001, many Americans saw for the first time what American training had done for those who later turned against their former teachers, and what vicious tools their country had been using to defend the "national interest" abroad. In an increasingly globalized world, failures in US foreign policy will continue to have consequences for average Americans, although they will most likely lack the immediacy of the 9/11 attacks.
A perfect example is the Mara Salvatrucha 13, a gang started in Los Angeles by refugees escaping El Salvador's US-instigated civil war. MS 13 is an example both of how failed foreign policies can create a backlash on American soil and of how not to treat people who are expected to integrate into American culture and society. Today, the gang is present in 33 states and has a presence in countries from Belgium to Honduras to Lebanon; it controls sizeable sections of Central American slums, and it has even been accused of links to international terrorists.

During the 1980s, around one million Salvadorians fled the civil war. Many concentrated in the area around Los Angeles, where they were caught up in the midst of gang violence between Mexican gangs and the infamous Crips and Bloods. Suffering from a legacy of violence from the war and finding themselves an abused minority within a minority, the new Salvadorian immigrants quickly organized their own gang, the Mara Salvatrucha 13. As was the case with most other gangs, the Mara Salvatrucha, which means, roughly "bold(or clever) Salvadorians, rapidly transformed itself from a self-defense group into a criminal organization. Devoted mainly to drug trafficking, MS 13 only began to grow exponentially after arrested members were deported back to El Salvador"”deportations about which the United States conveniently neglected to tell the Salvadorian government. By the time the deportations reached their height, during the early 1990s, the two warring factions in El Salvador had reached a peace agreement. Nonetheless, widespread misery, unemployment, and the profound scars from the civil war were a perfect breeding ground for the newly arrived gangsters. The Mara Salvatrucha thrived in these conditions and spread like a virus.

The El Salvador that the deported "mareros" found in the 1990s was a wreck even by Latin American standards. Since the 1920s, it had been governed by fourteen families that married each other to keep political power and wealth as concentrated as possible. This steep social hierarchy invited extremely violent conflict between landless peasants and the tiny oligarchy that refused to let go of any of its power. Deeper clashes led the Salvadorian oligarchy to make the army intervene, which brought some fable-like dictators to power. Perhaps the best example of these was Maximiliano Hernandez, whose belief in occultism prompted him to hang colored lights in an effort to cure San Salvador of an epidemic of smallpox. He also once claimed that it was a "greater crime to kill an ant than a man, for when a man dies he becomes reincarnated, while an ant dies forever."

A number of leftist guerrilla movements emerged to fight the alliance between the elite and the military, but full-blown civil war only erupted after the different guerrillas joined under the name of the Frente Farababundo Marti de Liberacion Nacional (FMLN) in 1980. The Reagan Administration, however, saw the FMLN as little more than a local subsidiary of the Kremlin"”in complete ignorance of the Salvadorian social and historical context. During its eight years in power, the Reagan administration provided full support to the Salvadorian dictatorship, fearful that an El Salvador that had "fallen to Communism" would cause a domino effect in the region.

After more than 60,000 deaths, the Salvadorian civil war came to an end in 1992 with the Chapultepec accords. El Salvador fell off the American foreign policy radar, and for the U.S., everything returned to a pre-Cold War status. Yet the violence displayed by the Salvadorian army, as when they raped and murdered four American nuns and gunned down the Archbishop of San Salvador in the middle of mass, did not disappear with the end and murdered four American nuns and gunned down the Archbishop of San Salvador in the middle of Mass, did not disappear with the end of the civil war. Instead, the participants traded in their uniforms for those of the MS 13. As the army was scaled down and unemployment skyrocketed, many former combatants prefered to join MS 13 rather than the unemployment rolls. Some joined in the U.S. during the 1980s, while others joined the deported members in El Salvador during the 1990s. A resurgence of rape, dismemberment of victims, and torture shocked Americans this time only because it was not happening in El Salvador but in the streets of Washington D.C. and Los Angeles.

Bringing the War Home

The wake-up call announcing the seriousness of MS 13 violence in the US came in 2002, when a Honduran 17-year-old named Brenda Paz, the girlfriend of one of the northern Virginia MS 13 leaders, started collaborating with the FBI to track down MS 13 activities. The FBI enrolled her in the witness protection program, but Brenda, who had joined MS 13 at age 12 in LA, refused to leave her friends behind. She continually fled safe houses to return to her friends. Pregnant, she found a tragic end by the Shenandoah River, where her boyfriend and three other gang members choked and stabbed her to death.

The cruelty of Brenda's murder brought nationwide attention to MS 13 tactics. Especially troubling was the fact that the murder had not taken place in the LA or Washington slums, where gangs have normally operated, but in a rural part of Virginia where hardly anyone had heard of gangs before. In other incidents in the region, a 14-year-old MS 13 member stabbed a stranger to impress his buddies and other gang members attacked a teenager with a machete. A degree of brutality to which Central Americans had long been accustomed had arrived in suburban America.

Although many inhabitants of towns like Shenandoah or those watching the nightly news would probably react to such events by blaming "immigrants" and a lax immigration policy, this is a serious misreading of the situation. Most Americans are unaware that these brutal methods"”machete dismemberment, massive rape, and extensive torture"”were popularized by the Salvadorian army in order to hunt down and terrorize alleged leftists during the civil war. They are even less aware that the Salvadorian army was trained by Americans. In fact, many of the specific techniques were devised and taught at an American military academy known as the School of the Americas, now located in Fort Benning, Georgia, where scores of Salvadorian officers studied during the 1980s. In addition, the US gave over six billion dollars in aid to the Salvadorian army, and American advisors of all types went down to assist in "counter-insurgency" techniques, a euphemism for Abu Ghraib-type interrogation and "extrajudicial" killings. As Salvadorian immigrants who were trained by "the best of the best" in the ways to terrorize their opponents arrived in the U.S., they quickly learned how the drug trafficking business worked from other gangs. Soon, these former pupils of the American military were setting up the basis for MS 13's global empire.

Today, MS 13 controls the entire route that Central American immigrants follow from El Salvador to the US-Mexico border, and the group also operates widely in Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico. It has more than 50,000 members, who fund themselves by trafficking weapons, taxing businesses, running prostitution networks, and, perhaps most ironically, making millions out of robbing immigrants trying to reach the US.

The organization has evolved from dealing drugs in the streets of LA to what is in effect a multinational corporation. Gregory Smithsimon, a professor of urban studies at Barnard College, notes that "it is the economic success of the gang more than anything else that explains its spread." He also notes that groups without a violent legacy, such as Italians or Mexicans, have also formed gangs, without achieving the international success of MS 13. Yet the gang's image plays a role as well. It is evident from comments made on MS 13 web sites and the rapid growth of the group that their strength lies in the fact that in every village from San Salvador to Long Island there are thousands of children and teenagers waiting to join MS 13.

Gang Culture

MS 13 has provided a new sense of identity and dignity for thousands of unemployed, uneducated youngsters in Central America and the U.S., often replacing the family that was left behind. Very often, being a part of the gang is the only way that teenagers can feel powerful, and they are willing to do just about anything to join. "The second generation of immigrants has always been more likely to join gangs," observes David Brotherton, a Professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. The children of first-generation immigrants "tend to feel more disappointed and excluded" compared to their parents. However, in recent years (and especially strikingly in the case of MS 13), "the first-generation youth's lack of mentorship, massive pressures and constant search for identity has led more of them to join gangs."

It is common knowledge that an aspiring MS 13 member needs to withstand a 13-second beating by three members without demonstrating any resistance, and new female members must allow three of the leaders to rape them. Members tattoo their bodies as a type of scoresheet, noting how many people (especially policemen and leaders of other gangs) they have killed, and very often, they write the gang's motto down their necks and faces: "Perdoname Madre Mia por Mi Vida Loca" (Mother of mine, please forgive me for my crazy life). MS 13 not only provides the opportunity for an intense, exciting experience to bored youngsters, but also replaces the family to such an extent that it is demanded of members that they abandon any contact with their real families. Whoever abandons the group, not to mention talks to the police, is labeled as a traitor and condemned to death. Brotherton points out that these youngsters' membership in MS 13 makes sense"”they have never been powerful and never had a sense of belonging, and they join the gang to compensate for those deficiencies. Once they become members, they will "be regarded as tough and as part of something with an international reputation."

Despite the Reagan administration's brutal intervention in Central America during the 1980s in support of the Honduran, Salvadorian, and Guatemalan dictatorships, as well as the Nicaraguan Contras, it refused to grant asylum to those fleeing the vicious civil wars. Cynically, the administration continued to label Central Americans in the United States as "economic immigrants," denying them political asylum, and thus deported all of those who were caught back to their war-torn countries. When asked in a New York Times article why Salvadorians formed gangs like MS 13, a Salvadorian community leader in DC responded: "These kids suffer from a severe identity crisis. They don't see themselves as fully American because the country is not making room for them." He claimed the U.S. has always made it harder for Salvadorians immigrants to get green cards, because despite the substantial involvement of the American government in El Salvador, immigrants were collectively seen as potential supporters of leftist guerrillas. As politicians eye an increasingly anti-immigration segment of the American public, more immigrants may wind up turning to dangerous groups like MS 13 for support.

Two instances of the renewed anti-immigration attitude that would badly backfire are the HR 4437 Congressional proposal to construct an eight billion dollar, 2000-mile-long steel wall between Mexico and the US, and the emergence of paramilitary groups such as the Minutemen, who mount armed patrols of the border area in order to stop what they deem "illegal aliens." The American public might get a sense of the chaos that a wall between Mexico and the US would provoke if it saw the images of the multitudes of North African immigrants climbing over the barbed wire wall set up between Morocco and the Spanish colony of Ceuta. In order to overwhelm the border patroller the immigrants all run simultaneously; inevitably, some make it through, while others remain behind, hanging from the barbs.

Policy Lessons

A wall between the US and Mexico would hardly stop immigration, as people's lives depend on being able to cross the border. However, such a barrier would be enormously symbolic for the immigrants that did make it through. The wall would be a gigantic monument to the fact that the US does not want illegal immigrants and that it is willing to do anything to keep them out. Once immigrants made it to this side of the wall, they could hardly be blamed for adopting a defensive stance and ganging up with others in similar situations.

The danger of turning otherwise harmless immigrants into a hyperaggressive and alienated group is only heightened by the emergence of the Minutemen. The Minutemen claim to be "a reminder to Americans that our nation was founded as a nation governed by the 'rule of law,' not by the whims of mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across US borders." Although the organization claims to be peaceful, the image of a group of military veterans patrolling the desert in camouflage armed with long-range weapons can hardly be a comforting one for someone who seeing the US for the first time.

In fact, the message is so clear that in March 2005, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, a high-level leader of the Mara Salvatrucha, issued orders from prison for MS 13 members to attack the Minutemen. Although nothing serious ever came of the declaration, the existence of groups like the Minutemen and symbols like the wall might increasingly lead to more serious clashes between the United States and its southern neighbors. The scenario only becomes more frightening when one considers that MS 13's domestic promotion of the continued alienation and exploitation of immigrants, on which it relies for recruits, might potentially displace clashes from the border area to inside the U.S.

The experience with the Mara Salvatrucha 13 should teach the American public and policy makers two lessons. The first is that in an increasingly globalized world, American foreign policy failures, especially in Latin America, are likely to have consequences on their doorstep. Self-interested interventions such as the ones the US undertook in Central America during the twentieth century are likely to cost average Americans much more than they have before, and this threat is hardly limited to political and military interventions; abusive trade negotiations will have ramifications, as well.

The second lesson is that the U.S. will not be able to stop Latin American immigration by anything short of sustained violence against civilians, so the choice lies in what kind of immigrants the US wants to have. If the US wants hard-working, honest people, then the American people and the government should treat them as such. If Americans treat immigrants like criminals, that is probably what they are going to get. "¢

Diego Laserna, CC'07, is majoring in political science and economics. He is currently a senior editor for the CPR. His last article, "Latin American Dependency," appeared in the December 2005 issue.

**whknapp** · 12-07-2007, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Beverly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by whknapp:
I have a great idea. Why don't you use this thread that you just created to post all that information, as 4now suggested?. We all would appreciate that, since you wouldn't be flooding the board with so many posts. Thanks...

I'll make you a deal. If you You Tube yourself (and provide the link) bending over with your head between your legs and you can actually l-ick that nub hiding between your huge testicles, I'll pretend like anything you say matters to me.

You need to stay out of grown folks business. Okay you big mouthed, tiny P-rick? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love your sense of humor and your positive attitude. Can't stop laughing when I picture myself doing what you suggested

As for being big-mouthed, I'll let the members of this board decide who's the biggest mouthed poster that we all have ever seen around...

Lastly, it's not a good idea for you to follow 4now's suggestion to post all your articles under one topic. That would show courtesy, something you obviously can't do. Besides, only 2 idiots would read them, and we know very well who they are. They would just be ignored by the rest of the members. Afraid of that?...

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 12:32 PM

National Coucil of LaRaza plotting their next move towards amnesty:

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/XtaM8QM/Janet-Mungia-spe...he-flock-at-NCLR-con

Angry, vile latina, alleged "US citizen" Video of public meeting held to enforce laws against IA in Prince William county:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczWaJy7Qjk

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by whknapp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beverly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by whknapp:
I have a great idea. Why don't you use this thread that you just created to post all that information, as 4now suggested?. We all would appreciate that, since you wouldn't be flooding the board with so many posts. Thanks...

I'll make you a deal. If you You Tube yourself (and provide the link) bending over with your head between your legs and you can actually l-ick that nub hiding between your huge testicles, I'll pretend like anything you say matters to me.

You need to stay out of grown folks business. Okay you big mouthed, tiny P-rick? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love your sense of humor and your positive attitude. Can't stop laughing when I picture myself doing what you suggested

As for being big-mouthed, I'll let the members of this board decide who's the biggest mouthed poster that we all have ever seen around...

Lastly, it's not a good idea for you to follow 4now's suggestion to post all your articles under one topic. That would show courtesy, something you obviously can't do. Besides, only 2 idiots would read them, and we know very well who they are. They would just be ignored by the rest of the members. Afraid of that?...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So why prey tell is does your dumb a-ss still breaking your neck to read and respond to my every word? Since your nosey a-ss is here reading this thread that clearly does not have your name on it, you obviously forgot to include yourself.

Let me know when you get that You Tube up and running tiny Tim, I'd like to share it with some friends on the internet who along with millions of Americans would like to see those big cohunas you've got becuase in reality I already know there's nothing between them.

**whknapp** · 12-07-2007, 12:43 PM

Oooops! Forgot to count myself. My mistake, sorry... 3 idiots then...

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 01:00 PM

Davdah . . we both know its a waste of time to try and educate those IA and OBL citizens the majority of these criminals are here for their delusional version of ownership of America and being here to reclaim it. It doesn't matter anyway because the cat is out of the bag and the more than obvious transfer of their culturally embedded murderous, criminal mindsets has finally reached a level of alarm that even the lazy lard-asses in Washington can no longer ignore.

Here's a couple more links for your viewing displeasure. Hopefully your head won't explode.

**whknapp** · 12-07-2007, 01:02 PM

Davdah, I wholeheartedly agree with CRIMINAL aliens (legal or illegal) being deported, specially gang members. But I guess I have a more humanitarian vision relating the rest of the immigrant population. I live in Arizona, where HUNDREDS of bodies are recovered from the desert every year. It's sad to read about those human life losses, regardless of their legal status. I DO NOT have to agree with someone who uses HATEFUL remarks when referring to those people, specially children. Do I have to remind you that ol' Bev calls them leeches and other derogatory names? No one chooses their birthplace, nor they have any control over their parents' actions of decisions. It's perfectly OK to be angry about the problems that illegal immigration brings, but I don't think it's acceptable to keep INSULTING anyone who disagrees with your points of view, like this big mouthed witch does. She's funny, though. She calls ME "big-mouthed"

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by whknapp:
Davdah, I wholeheartedly agree with CRIMINAL aliens (legal or illegal) being deported, specially gang members. But I guess I have a more humanitarian vision relating the rest of the immigrant population. I live in Arizona, where HUNDREDS of bodies are recovered from the desert every year. It's sad to read about those human life losses, regardless of their legal status. I DO NOT have to agree with someone who uses HATEFUL remarks when referring to those people, specially children. Do I have to remind you that ol' Bev calls them leeches and other derogatory names? No one chooses their birthplace, nor they have any control over their parents' actions of decisions. It's perfectly OK to be angry about the problems that illegal immigration brings, but I don't think it's acceptable to keep INSULTING anyone who disagrees with your points of view, like this big mouthed witch does. She's funny, though. She calls ME "big-mouthed"

Too bad my violin is in the shop -- NOT. If I bother you so much why do you stalk me, create posts addressed to me because you crave my attention and then get angry when I retaliate. Leave me alone, and stay the hell out of this thread and stop mentioning my name in every other word of your post. News Flash there are millions of "Beverly's" with the same attitude and contempt for these leeches and yes that is exactly what they are. Leeches who will s-u-ck the life and blood out of all things American if we don't hurry up and get them out.

You cannot make everyone adapt your bleeding heart stance with regards to this invasion so stop trying to convert those of us who see this destructive invasion for what it is. If they don't have the to courage to stand up to their governments and demand some of the 10's of billions of our tax dollars they receive annually, too FN bad, these cowards get what they deserve. Unlike them I am willing to fight and if necessary DIE for my country. So stop preaching to the choir and preach to your bleeding heart constituents. Maybe you should educate those illiterate maggots you love so dearly about growing some b-alls and staying to reclaim their own cesspools instead sneaking through a hole at the border fence and toting their cultural barbarism with them.

And btw your mama is a witch. Now Shoo fly . . .stop bothering me.

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 02:13 PM

The future of America?

thought y'all might want to see this. Pretty clear intentions to use the young to Mexicanize the U.S. Notice how the children are in native (Mexican) dress.

http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm

LA VOZ DE AZTLAN
Los Angeles, Alta California
July 24, 2007

Anchor Baby Power

La Voz de Aztlan has produced a video in honor of the millions of babies that have been
born as US citizens to Mexican undocumented parents. These babies are destined to
transform America. The nativist CNN reporter Lou Dobbs estimates that there are over
200,000 "Anchor Babies" born every a year whereas George Putnam, a radio
reporter, says the figure is closer to 300,000. La Voz de Aztlan believes that the number
is approximately 500,000 "Anchor Babies" born every year.

The video below depicts the many faces of the "Anchor Baby Generation". The
video includes a fascinating segment showing a group of elementary school children in
Santa Ana, California confronting the Minutemen vigilantes. The video ends with a now
famous statement by Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez of the University of Texas at Austin.

http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm

Senor Boosh pandering to his illegal supporters:

Illegal aliens crossing the borders daily to attend schools at our expense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ala7jC4P558&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJvJzZpuGmI

**klinus** · 12-07-2007, 02:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPWNa...eature=related

**Beverly** · 12-07-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by davdah:
I don't think el presidente has been out much. He said latinos have conservative values. To conserve what though? Details, details. The raising of the flag was a nice touch. Almost makes you believe it, nahh Homey don't play that. I wonder how much those people were paid to make that commercial.

Actually, for along time now I've believed that he is brain damaged, probably from birth. This is a loser who drove 2 business into the ground and has been a failure at everything he has ever done. I read an article that said that they were literally raised by an illegal alien Mexican nanny. Jeb is married to a Messykin so part of the reason for his love of the criminally insane is not only his brain damage but a certain loyalty that was obviously embedded in them from childhood. Now its part of their bloodline. I know I posted these but in case you missed them:

http://www.elandar.com/bush/amigos.html

Now check out the Board of Directors from MATT.org, a board obviously created and paid for by our tax dollars to convince us that those who have invaded us are our friends?

http://corp.matt.org/index.php?optio...d=13&Itemid=50

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