Cost of Lack of Immigration Reform

[Maria]

US budget looses 132 Billions dollars per year as a result of not having immigration reform!

Each illegal worker would have paid $10,000 of federal plus $2000 of state and local taxes per year if had been legalized and allowed to settle in US.
If you multiply 12,000$ of unpaid taxes by 12,000,000 of illegal workers in US it gives you 132 Billions Dollars.
Illegal aliens have to pay taxes in Mexico and other third world countries instead of US to get pension benefits when they retire.

SOLUTION: Urge Congress to pass legalization reform which would allow 12,000,000 of actively employed illegal aliens, which are vital to US economy, to stay in US legally and pay their taxes to US government.

Dismiss insane hard-line republicans ideas.

[Maria]

US budget looses 132 Billions dollars per year as a result of not having immigration reform!

Each illegal worker would have paid $10,000 of federal plus $2000 of state and local taxes per year if had been legalized and allowed to settle in US.
If you multiply 12,000$ of unpaid taxes by 12,000,000 of illegal workers in US it gives you 132 Billions Dollars.
Illegal aliens have to pay taxes in Mexico and other third world countries instead of US to get pension benefits when they retire.

SOLUTION: Urge Congress to pass legalization reform which would allow 12,000,000 of actively employed illegal aliens, which are vital to US economy, to stay in US legally and pay their taxes to US government.

Dismiss insane hard-line republicans ideas.

[marmaduk]

Are you seriously delusional or just plain stupid to pull such stats? 10K in Federal taxes means an income of about 55K. Thats a good income for anyone. I can't wait to see the uproar in this country when someone making minimum wage or living in welfare is being told that illegals are making an avg of 55K/yr.......

And FYI, illegals paid taxes too (albeit unwittingly). Their employer took it out of their paycheque to avoid problem with IRS/Labor Dept,etc, with exception of those that get paid in cash or worked as sub-contractors. Here's a hint, why do you think ITIN is gaining popularity?

Then again, what else do we expect from someone with your level of intelligence?

[AliBA]

Maria, Maria, Maria--Any money you claim illegal aliens working here should be paying in taxes and that we're "losing" is actually money that AMERICANS should be paying in taxes, but aren't because illegal aliens are taking jobs, or depressing wages.

Then, too, you're totally ignoring the net cost to the U.S. taxpayers of illegal aliens--costs which are largely felt at the state level, such as education for the children of illegal aliens and medical care for the workers and their families (including paying the births of their many children).

[Greg]

AliBA,

You seriously believe that Americans want those 2-3 bucks per hour dishwashing-floor-cleaning jobs? Somehow I tend to think that if the US did not have illegals, those jobs would remain unfilled. Of course, if push came to shove, American employers would have had to increase wages for those types of occupations, but you would have had to pay a lot more for many of the products and services that you are now getting dirt-cheap because of illegal labor.
You are right about the schools though.

[Greg]

Someone12,

I doubt that those corporate fat-cats would give up any of their benefits, no matter what their cost might be to the consumer. ))
But this is already a totally different subject for discussion. ))
Corportate greed - don't even get me started! ))))

[AliBA]

Greg--No, Americans don't want $2 or $3 an hour, but then, those jobs wouldn't pay that if illegal aliens weren't here driving wages down. And do you really think that illegal aliens WANT to do that work if they had any other choices? My grandfather, my brother, and my best friend's mother all worked as janitors, so Americans will do this work. What's at issue is how much they're paid for it.

Construction these days is a labor-intensive illegal immigrant heavy industry, yet housing costs which are the largest part of anyone's budget, much more so than the penny ante products you cite, have been rising much faster than inflation. If using illegal aliens is so great at keeping down costs, then why? Furthermore, in many of the jobs you mention, machinery or improved techniques can reduce the need for human labor and actually lower costs. It's been done and is being done in agriculture for products such as raisins and tomatoes. And have you heard of dishwashers, and automatic floor scrubbers? Companies just prefer the expense of cheap dispensable labor over making capital investments in machinery or research.

[Greg]

AliBA,

Tricky issue. Driving costs down - that is what globalization is all about. Look at how many factories were already moved from the US to Mexico and China. No matter what product you buy in the US these days, it is almost guaranteed to be manufactured in China. I think it always boils down to money. Follow the dollar sign to see who benefits. I bet nothing will ever be done in the US about the illegal labor so long as American business (small and large) benefits from it. American way, isn't it? After all, this is the country where they sell photos of the twin towers burning right accross the road from the site of that tragedy.

[AliBA]

It's one thing to import goods made more cheaply overseas. It's quite another to bring workers here to do work that could and should be done by Americans, then stick the taxpayer with the bill not only for the foreign worker, but his or her family as well.

As long as the costs to the public (in-state tuition for illegal aliens, overcrowded classrooms, bilingual programs, day labor sites, closing hospitals) aren't obvious, and we have full employment, most people don't care about illegal immigration. They just don't see it. But we're now seeing more people, including some in the press, who are tired of getting stuck with the bill, and feeling more uncomfortable about their future every time they read about another layoff, or another company moving offshore. The polls I've been reading say that consumer confidence in the economy and the president on economic issues has been tanking.

I wonder, with an election coming up next year, just how comfortable Congress is going to feel explaining to their constituents why, with the "War on Terror" and defending Iraq's borders, we still have massive illegal immigration, no funding for the 2000 border patrol agents which Dubya promised, and zilch on interior enforcement. I also wonder how they'll try to repackage the AgJobs bill, the DREAM Act, or whatever, so the public won't perceive these as amnesties.

[AliBA]

I just saw this this morning after posting the above. It's about the State Dept.'s report on the terrorist threat to the U.S., recently released, and showing an increased threat.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/27/ter...ort/index.html

[Maria]

AliBa scared White House:
Bush in bunker after AliBa's scare.

President Bush was rushed from the Oval Office to an underground bunker after a security alert on Wednesday.
The scare came when it was reported that an unidentified aircraft had entered restricted Washington airspace.

As White House security plans swung into action Vice-President **** Cheney was also moved to a secure location.

But all of the effort proved needless when it later transpired that the supposed aircraft was in fact nothing more than a blip on a radar screen.

Staff evacuated

Helicopters were scrambled to investigate the incident, as White House staff were cleared out of the West Wing and tourists in the East Wing were evacuated to a park across the road from the residence.


Heavily armed guards rushed to take up positions around the White House

"There was a report or an indication that an aircraft had entered restricted airspace around the White House, and so there was some precautionary measures that were taken," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

The president remained in the bunker for a short time, until it became clear that there was in fact no aircraft.

It was the first time Mr Bush sought refuge in the bunker since night of the 11 September attacks in Washington and New York, more than three years ago, a White House spokesman said.

[Paddy]

Maria, where do you come up with this b u l l s h i t ????

[Greg]

Guys,
All I have to say regarding these ongoing "increased terrorist attack threats" is watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" - it clearly explains why these "threats" are needed. ) Politicians - they never cease to amaze me!

[Paddy]

Greg you have to be a one dimensional hard core liberal to believe the b u l l s h i t that comes out of that fat f u c k e r's mouth......and the funny thing is, his lies failed miserably to get rid of Bush.........try looking at both sides of the story and watch FahrenHYPE 9/11.

[Greg]

Paddy,

Each one of us believes what he chooses to believe. I believe M. Moore because he makes sense and because I agree with his worldview - it is akin to my own.
I guess, I am liberal in my views. Is it so bad? I don't think so. America, on the other hand, is by far and large a very conservative country (unlike Europe, for example). That is why Bush won again. He rode to victory on those incessant "terrorist attack" threats, that never materialized, and on the anger and the aggression awakened in many Americans by September 11th.