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**sappyconifer** · 08-21-2006, 09:52 AM

Impenetrable,
You're a smart fella, so how can you even pose such a question?

Why you never ask 'E-Killer', 'MEP, or '4now' why they insult me when they do?
No one ever poses such question to them and I don't see their ID's ever get banned.
Why is it that I am the only one who must be corteous to them while they can keep insulting me and still never banned?"

I AM asking E-killer, *****, MEP, and the countless other disruptive members to cease and desist in this infantile behaviour. I'm not singling you out, IE. Of course, I happen, also, to believe that some of those IDs may be yours (alternate personae) and thus far haven't been offered or seen sufficient evidence to convince me otherwise and to prove that I am incorrect.

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 11:00 AM

No arling, neither you nor anyone on this board had ever asked E-killer, 4now or MEP to stop posting insulting messages directed against me, or to simply stop and desist "****ful" messages with wich they certainly disrupt this board.

In fact, more than once I took certain stanse, by either wilfully avoiding to respond them or responding them in one or another way.

As long as I was the one "****ed upon" without responding, the forum remained admirably tolerant of "****ful" or otherwise insulting messages and posts, but as soon as I responded, lo and behold, there were entire threads created, even a websites with loud , hysterical cries "Please bombard admin and have this Evil E banned !!! ". And thus I had my IDs banned.

So I think YOU being a smart fella, sappy, how can YOU expect me to be blind to the above described pattern of events that I observed in past ?

And in this light let me be frank and tell you:
Apparently , "****" is not a problem , after all. Nor were the insults, as you and others claim. It is something ELSE about my posts that drives so many people crazy and it doesn't take a genius to figure out WHAT is it.

It is my firm anti-fascist stand against hate groups that denigrate and incite the hatered that you can't stand.

Which, in turn, begs the question: are you one of them, haters?

IE

**sappyconifer** · 08-21-2006, 11:23 AM

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you "like to stir it up"! However, since you asked, I'll bite.

I said in my first post..

So why is it that we have this 'juvenile' littering the board with nonsensical c-r-a-p? It's gone far past humour, and I think it should stop. ****-ster Head, why not put your energies elsewhere? If you are so obsessed with '****' make some approach to the Energy Commission and reduce our reliance upon fossil fuels, or dry it and make fertiliser briquettes or anything, but please stop ruining this board! I took a few days away, because I thought it might have been just me that was getting infuriated, but I return and I feel just as annoyed as ever.

There are people who have real immigration concerns that rely on this board. To hijack EVERY thread with these infantile comments that help no one is not only the epitome of childishness, but it is a form of ridicule and disrespect to those members who wish to benefit from the information here.

As you can see, it was addressed to those who insist upon senseless comments using "****" this and that in them. Useless diatribe that is wasting bandwidth and energy. How can you not say that I took a posture against the activity? somehow, I fail to see how you can overlook that.

However, you did just post

And thus I had my IDs banned.

which, on its face, suggests that you had more than one ID and more than one ID banned. Correct?

Thanks for telling me, rather than reading what I object to. It's interesting that you disregard my own words and try to put a spin on something else. I've no objection to your "anti-fascist stand against hate groups that denigrate and incite the hatered (sic)".

Which, in turn, begs the question: are you one of them, haters?

Nope. Wrong again

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 11:58 AM

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you "like to stir it up"! However, since you asked, I'll bite.

Ironically ( perhaps not?) this comes from someone who started this thread

Thanks for telling me, rather than reading what I object to.

Uh, PLEASE ! As if I didn't repeat at least hundred times already that due to collevtive efforts of some members of this forum my IDs were repeatedly suspended, as if you never knew that

Yet you can't call it "Using multiple ID's", because I used the ID that was available to me and once some members succeeded in getting it banned I had no other way to post but to register a new one and I NEVER HIDE who I am, I consistently sign my posts "E" or "IE", unlike those who truly create ananimous multiple IDs for the sole purpose of provoking me to respond likewise and subsequently banning my ID (so that others or perhaps they themselves can later come and self-righteously accuse me of using 'multiple ID's . What a joke ! And these people lecturing me on maturity !

)

I said in my first post..

Yes, you did. But it is impossible not to see certain patterns.

If the problem is indeed a "****" word and "c.rappy" posts, then how come you kept silent since July, when 'MEP' ID was specifically created to insult me personally (and you weren't away back then, when 'MEP' first appeared here), and your coming back just coincided (?) exactly with me posting few hunorous "What a ****ster" remarks , and at that very moment your consciousness awakened and you decided to create this self-righteous "anti-****" thread?

Come on, give me a break. Perhaps you really think that I am that fool as not to be able to note the obvious patterns pointing to the fact that you had issues with me, obviously for no other reason than that I consistently held anti-fascist stand against hate groups that denigrate and incite the hatered

IE

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 12:30 PM

Another "FAIR" member bites the dust

**sappyconifer** · 08-21-2006, 12:48 PM

This is ridiculous! Look, I'm tired of seeing the board ruined. Period. Do I have to object when and only when you want me to? Suffice it to say that many days, it appears to me that the only activity on the board, for the most part is juvenile, immaterial posts that do not address legitimate questions. It's at cross purposes to the very reason a board like this exists.

I note that although you seem to take umbrage at being the target of such comments, you don't seem to mind so much that such comments exist. Rather you mind that no one spoke out when they were addressing you, right? That's also a pattern that is pretty evident to me right now.

Who cares if someone was posting such comments addressed to you? If they were objectionable to you, and you wished moral support, why didn't you expose the situation rather than to play into it? At that time, you had the same ability to register your complaint here amongst the remaining reasonable members and with the moderator of the board as well. The fact that you chose not to, is your prerogative. The fact that, instead, you chose to engage in the same childish prank to retaliate was also your choice, and prerogative, but it brought with it a consequence that you are now crying "spilt milk" over. If several IDs were banned over the same issue, then that indicates to me that you obviously did not 'get it' at the first banning. Why not simple place it in the past and move on?

I'm done debating this with you E. I know very well who you are and you're 100% wrong about my motivation, but think what you wish.

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 01:18 PM

This is ridiculous! Look, I'm tired of seeing the board ruined.

Perhaps you should look at yourself before pointing your finger at others

Do I have to object when and only when you want me to?

I already made clear what I meant when asking why YOU ignore the same behavior (usage of "****" word, "c.rappy" posts as you claimed and ) in case of certain posters, yet pick and complain in case of another?
And you still expect me to believe that the cause of your self-righteous "indignation" was a "****" word?
Give me a break...

you don't seem to mind so much that such comments exist

In FACT I DON'T , other than in the context of questioning your integrity and plausibility.
And the reason I don't mind so much, is that I have spent A LOT OF TIME reading US SUPREME COURT RULINGS, particularly ones related to FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.
Perhaps you are an adept of Ayatollah Homeini and just as late Iranian Dictator you believe that people should or should not post according to your tastes, according to what you like or don't.

I , on the other hand, sinserely believe in American values and know that US Constitution guarantees the right of people to express their opinion and speak their mind.

And there is nothing in US Constitution that says I should worry too much if someone uses "****" word too often, however it makes me worry to see how some hate groups incite hatred against Mexican immigrants and anyone who dares to say that Mexican are Human beings too.

I'm done debating this with you E.

So am I.

I know very well who you are

You mean you are a God?
How on Earth could you know me very well!

..you're 100% wrong about my motivation

I certainly hope so.

think what you wish

I always try to think critically instead of thinking what I wish.

IE

**sappyconifer** · 08-21-2006, 01:53 PM

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You mean you are a God?
How on Earth could you know me very well!

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 02:07 PM

Supertruth posts were very much aligned with Mepp, and now e-killer.
>>The same syntax, expressions and c.rap of course.<<

This is an obvious lie.

I see you still didn't evolve over our 'evolutionary' discussions , still hold grudges..

Well , I understand. It must have hurt you to realize that you were unable to hold your ground on any intelligent discussion with me..
But was it my fault that you were unable to carry an intelligent discussion with me?

And it certainly doesn't justify you telling obvious lies.

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 02:08 PM

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Just because you know how to write few words in Russian doesn't mean that you know me.

**sappyconifer** · 08-21-2006, 02:21 PM

**marmaduk** · 08-21-2006, 02:40 PM

sappy, it would be on your best interest to just ignore it. Lots of better things to do than arguing with an empty drum. Still plenty of folks comes here seeking assistance in immigration matters.

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 06:30 PM

You call me a liar? A liar called me a liar, now that is grand, indeed.

Yes, I call you a liar.
For instance in your earlier post you stated:

"..no one believes you anymore".

Now, how would you know that?
How would you know that NOONE BELIEVES ME ANYMORE?
Did you get into the heads of all of the visitors and readers of this board (which far exceeds the number of posters)?
What are you , a clairvoyant or something?
May be you should then claim a Nobel Prize in Parapsychology for discovering a new method of reading the minds of others, huh?

Following your own logic one could just as well suggest that no one believes YOU and that the person behind Your ID is perhaps the same one who created the rest of those multiple idiotic IDs aimed personally at me,including MEP, E-Killer ,4now and etc.

What would you think......

Since it is apparent and obvious from what I mentioned above that you are indeed a liar, there is no need for me to bother and comment on the rest of your rants.

IE

**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 06:59 PM

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**IMPENETRABLE** · 08-21-2006, 07:46 PM

For all I care, following your OWN logic, one could say that those "several" people could be none other than YOUR multiple IDs, as well as those that were aimed at me personally (such as 'MEP, 'E-Killer', '4now' and etc.)
Need I say more?

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