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Here it is guys, lets get it passed this time. The chance may not come again...
"Fight for the DREAM Act"
"Fight for the DREAM Act"
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Here it is guys, lets get it passed this time. The chance may not come again...
"Fight for the DREAM Act""What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying." -
Here it is law abiding citizens, let's block this bull!!!
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The voice of reason. Tell it like it is Colin Powell
This guy is a true Republican, not the pretend far-Right nonsense we see in the Tea Partiers and those other Repubs who've jumped on their bandwagon just because it's the flavor of the month. A man of real vision, integrity and a uniter, not a divider. If he ran for President, I'd vote for him."What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."Comment
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REAL ID was a federal law that Congress passed in haste as an attachment to a military spending bill in early 2005.
The Repubs under Bush did it too. Nothing new there."What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
The voice of reason. Tell it like it is Colin Powell
This guy is a true Republican, not the pretend far-Right nonsense we see in the Tea Partiers and those other Repubs who've jumped on their bandwagon just because it's the flavor of the month. A man of real vision, integrity and a uniter, not a divider. If he ran for President, I'd vote for him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He did run for President. He dropped out because they went after his wife. He truly used to possess tthe rue republican sprit.
The republicans are the original granters of the illegal population getting greencards. Reagan did it. Clinton did it. (dem) GWB jr tried very hard to do it and approved of getting the dream act passed. Colin is not saying anything different now than he did then.
I am disappointed that Colin has not changed his position on this issue. He appears to be emotionally attached to the issue rather than from an economic point of view.
Just say NO to the dream act.Davddah you are right with this statement. " sacrificing American jobs and classroom seats. Everything for the cause, no matter the sacrifice."Comment
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Nope, wrong davdah and 4now. As OldE pointed out to davdah in another thread a while ago, classroom seats are not taken by illegals, at least in further education because in most States they can only go to college as Out of State status which means the college actually benefits from them in extra revenue and getting FAFSA benefits as an illegal is impossible to do now.
Again the moral question is, why should kids of illegal immigrants pay the price of mistakes their parents made? Can't get round that one can you? All I ever hear in opposition is the Rule of Law argument. "They broke the law at 2yrs old. They should go back to a country they barely know and do it the right way". Why? They didn't ask to cross the border illegally.
Are we so blinded by the Rule of Law that we will deport innocent kids just so we can say will followed the letter of the law? That kind of thinking was prevalent in WW2 Germany by the foot soldiers who imprisoned, tortured and murdered 6 million Jews. Don't let the "I was just doing my job" attitude happen here."What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
Nope, wrong davdah and 4now. As OldE pointed out to davdah in another thread a while ago, classroom seats are not taken by illegals, at least in further education because in most States they can only go to college as Out of State status which means the college actually benefits from them in extra revenue and getting FAFSA benefits as an illegal is impossible to do now.
Again the moral question is, why should kids of illegal immigrants pay the price of mistakes their parents made? Can't get round that one can you? All I ever hear in opposition is the Rule of Law argument. "They broke the law at 2yrs old. They should go back to a country they barely know and do it the right way". Why? They didn't ask to cross the border illegally.
Are we so blinded by the Rule of Law that we will deport innocent kids just so we can say will followed the letter of the law? That kind of thinking was prevalent in WW2 Germany by the foot soldiers who imprisoned, tortured and murdered 6 million Jews. Don't let the "I was just doing my job" attitude happen here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
These Mullah Limbaugh supporters don't give a hoot about letter of law, it's just a catch phrase to fry anything sensible. No matter how idiotic the argument against DREAM Act sounds they will still cry "AMNESTY" anytime it's brought up just to block it.
Since they call anything you bring up an AMNESTY , no matter what it actually is, i think it makes no more sense to try to argue along those lines with them as it only reinforces their momentum. They will push it until some day they say if you don't deport all non-US born US Citizens and US Citizens born here to non-Citizen parents then you are in effect granting them all an amnesty.
I guess some day one could even declare 10th generation blacks to be illegals here since 14th Amendment itself is not something that was incoporated into Constitution by Founding Fathers and therefore the Amendment itself must be illegal if you use very strict and literal interpretation of law. After all Founding Fathers couldn't have intended for 14th amendment to exist or they would have somehow made such intention apparent in Constitution itself and therefore even if ratified it must have been illegal to do so, so you could in fact take it back by either amending the amendment or by reinterpreting it's legality and thus binding force.
Well, long story short: it's time to start speaking about AMNESTY , clarify what does word AMNESTY in legal terminology mean, under what circumstances and when it is granted and etc.
After all millions of criminals get amnesty on constant basis. Most recently Governor of CA let the doors of prisons open and let go of many convicted felons due to budgetary constrains.
How come this so NEUTRAL anti-amnesty crowd didn't raise hell, how come they didn't flood Arni's office with mountainstacks of faxes against it, how come Lou Dobbs or Mullah Limbaugh didn't run series of TV programs about deadly felons coming out of prison to murder everyone?
Yet, they cry AMNESTY and argue at full throttle when bill is proposed to grant CONDITIONAL status to persons who were brough up here as children + with the necessary prerequisite of joining military or graduating 2 years of college for the conditional status to change to permanent?
Is this really about Law? Who are they kidding? Not me, for sure
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The “Dream act” is all in theory. Unfortunately this is the reality, that the average American wants!!!
That’s until he goes to the supermarket and finds the shelf bare. Wait until a Big Mac costs $6 and there’s no lettuce on it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
Nope, wrong davdah and 4now. As OldE pointed out to davdah in another thread a while ago, classroom seats are not taken by illegals, at least in further education because in most States they can only go to college as Out of State status which means the college actually benefits from them in extra revenue and getting FAFSA benefits as an illegal is impossible to do now.
<span class="ev_code_RED">really impossible you say? Obama's aunt is an illegal and she is collecting disability. How did that happen
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Again the moral question is, why should kids of illegal immigrants pay the price of mistakes their parents made? Can't get round that one can you?
<span class="ev_code_RED">There is nothing to get around. Why should american taxpayers pay the price for the mistakes of their parents? Cant get around that one now can you</span>
All I ever hear in opposition is the Rule of Law argument. "They broke the law at 2yrs old. They should go back to a country they barely know and do it the right way". Why? They didn't ask to cross the border illegally.
<span class="ev_code_RED">This is not our problem, nor is it our duty to take on this fianancial responsibility for these people. We have our own to take care of first. </span>
Are we so blinded by the Rule of Law that we will deport innocent kids just so we can say will followed the letter of the law? That kind of thinking was prevalent in WW2 Germany by the foot soldiers who imprisoned, tortured and murdered 6 million Jews. Don't let the "I was just doing my job" attitude happen here.
<span class="ev_code_RED">Save it Brit. That is so poor of an analogy. No we should not make them legal so that in three years they can petition for their illegal parents to be here and rewarded. No we should not make them legal.. can you imagine how many $5000 pell grants will go out to these kids. We cannot afford that. The usc and lpr kids will not get preference because these illegal kids will now be lprs. Cannot afford this, why should legal kids end up in this pool and possibly lose seats and funding. Just say NO. H.ell NO!</span>
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The BadDREAM Act was defeated YET again!Comment
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The argument of first we secure our borders then we deal with the illegal immigrant problem will never happen. Because once (if) the borders are secure attention will not focus on existing illegal immigrants, rather the unofficial "smoke 'em out" policy will continue and the argument will then be now they've self-deported we can forget about them. Illegal immigrant problem? What problem? Even though the problem in reality will still exist.
As RN would say, the status quo remains intact. We'll be debating this question in another 10yrs time and beyond."What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4now:
<span class="ev_code_RED">really impossible you say? Obama's aunt is an illegal and she is collecting disability. How did that happen</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And of course,4now, Obama's aunt is one of the potential beneficiaries of DREAM ACT, isn't she?
Why anyone would bother to argue with this guy
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And of course,4now, Obama's aunt is one of the potential beneficiaries of DREAM ACT, isn't she? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Right. Disability isn't FAFSA!"What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."Comment
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