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  • Old Man
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    That's pretty much it, although a lot can happen over the next 9 years.

    INA 349 covers expatriation. The key words in section 349 are, "perform certain acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship." Since 1998 the State Department has presumed most Americans wish to retain, not relinquish, US citizenship. So, you may not loose US citizenship even by taking another country's citizenship. It all depends on your intent and circumstances

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  • Aguila
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    Old Man:

    One question, I am Uruguayan, hopefully in a couple of years will be a naturalized USC. Uruguay does allow dual citizenship and I will not lose my citizenship by becoming USC, now what would happen if 9 years down the road I apply for another citizenship, Brazilian for example, by applying for another citizenship I would lose immediately the USC citizenship right? but if marrying a brazilian grants me brazilian citizenship automatically rather than me applying for it, I could have the 3 citizenships concurrently ?

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  • Old Man
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    Fairplay

    Sorry for the digression.

    When you naturalized as a US citizen, you gave up your former citizenship. You have all of the rights and responsibilities of a US citizen... both in and outside of the US.

    However, if another country effectually says, "That's OK, you can still keep our citizenship." the US government can't do anything about it.

    The end result is that you have three choices ahead of you.
    1. Delay your oath ceremony until after your trip. You can travel on your UK passport. Be aware of residence and physical presence requirements that may affect your naturalization.
    2. Delay you trip. A regular US passport application takes 6-8 weeks.
    3. Get an expedited passport. In your situation you would need to use a private service. You will still be cutting the timeframe very close.

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  • Fairplay
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    WHOA! I didn't mean to start a riot! Now you both have me confused. I have just found the following info on the US State Depart. website which clarifies things to a degree.

    Dual Nationality
    The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
    A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

    Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

    However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

    Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.

    Now the answers to my questions are as clear as mud!

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  • Passport Guy
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    Goodness you are consuming way too many blue pills.

    "So when questioned coming through Customs, I'll just say, "The law is irrelevant;"


    If you read carefull, I mentioned she/he might have trouble getting back in the USA. My original posting referred to her/he leaveing the USA on their foreign passport and then I said "the problem might be getting back in the USA without proper documentation."

    With all due respect, you seem to look pretty foolish at this point. Later.

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  • Passport Guy
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    One more thing OLD geezer Man.

    Since you are splitting hairs with my post.

    "What the private service does is go and stand in line for you."

    ....if you don't know, shut it. This private expedite companies are registered with the State Dept. and DON'T have to stand in line as YOU put it. They have special handling procedures that applies to them ONLY (not the generall public who stand in line)

    Have a good day. Remember, you are the ignorant soul who undermined my post. In the future, respond with some respect. If not, you'll get negative responses towards you Mr. Old Man

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  • Old Man
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    I am amazed by your eloquence. Your anecdote of international travel has opened my eyes to the truth. So when questioned coming through Customs, I'll just say, "The law is irrelevant; Passport Guy does it all the time." That will surely facilitate entry to the Untied States.

    Idiot!

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  • Passport Guy
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    Hey old man,

    I know for a FACT as a dual national, you may travel on a different passport. It's done all the time you old geezer. You know why I know you viagra consuming idiot....cuz, I DO IT ALL THE TIME and know lots of dual nationals that also travel that way. So if you don't know, SHUT IT !

    As far as my wording goes...I don't re-check everything I write and of course, bad grammar, mispelled words occur (happens everyday on this board dumbf**k)

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  • Old Man
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    [Quote] Hey Old Man, remember your and OLD Goat and too smart for your old ***.[Quote] Congratulations Passport Guy, you almost made a complete sentence.

    Under section 215(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, "Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport."

    There are exceptions to this, but do you, Passport Guy, have the ability to judge the circumstances? By your ignorant and poorly worded post, I think not.

    A naturalized US citizen is not a dual citizen for this purpose.

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  • Passport Guy
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    Hey Old Man, remember your and OLD Goat and too smart for your old ***.

    Anyone with Dual Nationality can travel on any passport. The person who posted the original question can (LEGALLLY) travel on their UK passport and it's perfectly legal OLD MAN (so if you don't know, shut up old geezer)

    Also, if you visit www.NationalPassport.com it CLEARLY states how to avoid using their expediting services wich come at a premium price.

    Go take a viagra old man.

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  • Fairplay
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    Thank you Old Man. That was something I was wanting to find out - whether it is permissible to travel on a foreign passport. Now that I know it is not, I will make arrangements to use an agency. I will not be able to apply for the passport in person. I have a long trip just to go for the ceremony, and the nearest Passport Agency office is several states away in the opposite direction. I also won't be able to get the additional time off work. In the long run it is probably more cost effective for me to use a reliable expediting service.

    In answer to Aquila, some countries that allow dual citizenship will issue a letter of authorization to this effect. However you usually have to present both passports for stamping when leaving the country. It doesn't sound as though the US follows this policy, and even if they did, it still wouldn't help if I didn't have a US passport.

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  • Aguila
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    OLD MAN:

    I heard of so many people that travel to their countries with their passports from their nationlity by birth and when they come back to the US use the US passport to come in

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  • Old Man
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    [Quote] You can always travel on your UK passport I suppose....[Quote] If you don't know, don't post answers. Fairplay, once you obtain US citizenship, you CAN NOT travel across US borders with a foreign passport. It is illegal.

    You do not need to use a private expediting service if you live anywhere close to one of the 14 US Passport Agency offices. Read the "How do I get a passport in a hurry?" section on the State Department's web site. View the PP Agency offices at http://travel.state.gov/agencies_list.html

    Passports are generally issued within four or five hours when you apply in person. Call and make an appointment. After your oath ceremony, take your certificate of citizenship and get a passport.

    What the private service does is go and stand in line for you. They are only worth it if you have a high money/time ratio or a long distance to travel to the PP Agency, i.e. you make hundreds of dollars an hour or you live in some nowhere place like Montana.

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  • Passport Guy
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    www.NationalPassport.com can obtain your US Passoport in as little as 24 hours, if need be.

    You can always travel on your UK passport I suppose....the problem might be getting back in the USA without proper documentation.

    I recommend for you to get your US Passport RUSHED !

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  • Fairplay
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    Thanks Passport Guy, I'll contact them to see if they think they can get it done in the short time frame - 2 working days. If not, is it possible to get permission to travel on my UK passport?

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