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  • #31
    I meant to say Not Only does this site have the kim video..........

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    • #32
      Hi Paddy! How the fick are ya?

      I haven't been to ogrish.com and rotten.com in a while.
      Sweet Madame Belu

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      • #33
        Maybe if you Americans on this board talking s.h.i.t were civilized enough or rather educated then you wouldn't put every muslim in the same basket. Those who are killing innocent people right now aren't doing it because Islam said it but for their own political agenda. Islam has nothing to do with it and it forbids the killing of a human soul. I'm a muslim and i came from a third world country but i don't think or believe in any of that but you guys are a living proof that you are real idiots when you judge millions of people by the act of a few; and don't forget that we the innocent muslims from the middle east who have to deal with this s.h.i.t are providing you with oil so you can drive to work think about it if that stops you'll be riding donkeys to work

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        • #34
          [quote] Paddy
          "I am so angry at these mother f*****s and ALL MUSLIMS.treat them like the savages they are......By the way 4NOW you are deluded liberal gutless t-u-r-d."

          Better a man be quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and confirm it.

          So I am deluded becuase I bring you the truth about language meaning??? What kind of ignorance AND INTOLERANCE do we have here..
          If its not in american words then it cant be ok???... Listen to yourselves.. Do you despise the word "DIOS" "Elohim" "Baghwan" "Gootinga" "Dhia"as much as "Allah"????? OMG where is the voice of rational and reason here. I will list a few more words translated that mean God.. yes the same God that christians etc worship.

          The phrase is translated in several languages.. Hopefully you each can find yours and if not learn a language.


          English, Modern: Oh my god! There's an axe in my head.


          Afrikaans: O God! Daar's 'n byl in my kop!
          Alsatian: Lever Gott! Es esch a Axe en miner Kopf!
          Ape1: Kree-gur! arad zor wo b'yat
          Arabic2: Ya Allah! Be fass bi rassi!
          Aragonese, High3: Ai ridiós! Tiengo una estral en o tozuelo.
          Assyrian: iliya pashum ina reshimi bashu

          Babylonian: iliya pashu ina reshiya bashu
          Bahasan4: O: mie Adonae, estil un acso en mie capito ho!
          Baselang5: "Won suripiria nemia voci 'wonden divin'. Un chafergarbar i conboro wonden siras posi."
          Basque6: Jaungoikoa! Badut aizkor bat buruan!
          Belarusian7: Bozha moj, ja maju siakeru w halavie
          Bengali: Oh Allah! Amar mathar upor bash poreche.
          Bosnian: Boze moj! sjekira mi je u glavi.
          Breton8: Ma Doue! Bez' ez eus ur vouc'hal e va fenn.
          Bulgarian9: Bozhe moi, niakoi mi e zabil bradva v glavata!

          Cantonese10:

          Catalan11: Déu meu! Tinc una destral al cap.
          Celtic7, 12, 30: Mo Dhia! Ta' tua sa mo cheann.
          Cree (Dialect N)13: Aah n'kiseemantoom, Ciikahikan asteew nistikwaanihk.
          Czech2: Pane boze! Mam sekeru v hlave!

          Danish: Oh min gud! Der er en oekse i mit hoved.
          Dutch: O, mijn God! Er zit een bijl in mijn hoofd.

          Egyptian, Ancient (Middle Kingdom)54: in Amun! iw minb m tp-i!

          Elet Anta14: Ha inyano! Oan kascac inye cufanvay!
          Emoticon15: k:-O
          English, Old16: Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
          Esperanto: Mia Dio! Hakilo estas en mia kapo!
          Estonian12: Oh mu Jumal, mul on kirves peas

          Faroese17: Á Gud! Ta er ein øks í høvdinum hjá mær!
          Farsi12: Oh! Khodayeh Man! Yek Tabar tooyeh saram rafteh!
          Finnish: Voi Luoja! Paassani on kirves!
          French18: Mon dieu! Il y a une hache dans ma tête.

          German19: O mein Gott! Es gibt ein axt im meine kopf.
          German (Carinthian dialect)20:
          Um Goddes wuell, do is a hackale im meim schaedahle.
          German (Styrian dialect)20:
          Jessas, i hab a hockn im schaedel.
          German (Upper Austrian dialect)21:
          Hümmi, Orsch und Zwirn! Do steckt a Hocka in meina Birn.
          German (Vorarlbergerisch; West Austrian dialect)22:
          Hargoläss, do ischt an agscht i minoem griand!
          Goa'uld23: Yo me Weiafei! Te monba im tap-ei.
          Greek, Ancient24: O Thee! Echo ten labrida en te mou kephale!
          Greek, Modern24: The'Mou! Eho ena tsekouri sto kefali mou!
          Gujarati2: Aare Bhaghwan! Mara matha ma ek kuladi chhe.
          Gullah25: Me Gawd! Dey en' ax een me haid!

          Hausan26: Kai! Ina da bambaro ciken kaina!
          Hebrew27: Oh Ellohim, yesh li garzen ba-rosh sheh-li!
          Hindi: Hay Bhagwaan! Mere sar mein kulhaadi hain.
          Hungarian: Jaj Istenem, de fejsze van a fejemben!

          Icelandic: Gud minn godur! Thad er o:xi i ho:fdinu a mer.
          Ilythiiri (Drow)28: Ussta Quarval-sharess! Gaer zhah velve wun ussta karliik!
          Indonesian2: Ya Allah, dikepalaku ada kapak.
          Inuktitut (Greenlandic)29: Ã…h gootinga! Niaquniipuq ulimaat.
          Irish, Modern30: Ó mo Dhia! Tá tua i mo cheann!
          Irish, Old31: A mo dé! Táthum túag im chenn-sa.
          Italian: Dio mio! C'e' un' ascia nella mia testa!
          Italian (Trieste dialect)32: Co dio! xe na mannera nella mia testa

          Japanese: ahh, kamisama! watashi no atama ni ono ga arimasu.

          Klingon33: toH, HIvqa' Qun'a'wIj! nachwIjDaq 'obmaQ tu'lu'!
          Korean11: aigo, OtchOna! nae daegarie tokkiga pakhyO inne!
          Kyrgyz34: Oh Kuday! Bashimda balta bar!

          Latin: Deus Meus! Securis in capite meo est.
          Latvian: Ak Dievs! Man ir cirvis galva!
          Lithuanian12: Dieve mano, turiu kirvi galvoje!

          Malayalam: Entey Deiwame, entey thalayil oru kodali undei.
          Maltese35: Alla tieghi, ghandi mannara f'rasi
          Alla tieghi, hemm mannara gewwa rasi
          Mandarin12: Wode tian a! You yi ba futou cha zai wode naodai li!
          Maori: Ave Te Ariki! He toki ki roto taku mahuna!
          Marathi: Aray Devaa! Majhyaa dokyaat kurhaad aahay.

          Norse, Ancient36: Haurheghaud, ijh hehe einght aghsethe hjij haafhohuhede!
          Norwegian (Bokmål dialect; "Book Tongue")37:
          Herre Gud, jeg har fått en øks i hodet.
          Herregud! Jeg har en øks i hodet.
          Norwegian, New (Nynorsk dialect)37:
          Herregud! Eg har ein øks i hovudet.
          Herre Gud, eg har fått ei øks i hovudet mitt.

          Polish: O Moj Boze! Mam siekiere w glowie!
          Portuguese: Meu Deus! Tenho um machado na cabeca!

          Quenya38: A Ilúvatarinya! En ná pelecco cárinyesse.
          O Erunya! En ná i pelecco mi nya cár.

          Romanian39: Dumnezeule! Este un topor in capul meu!
          Russian33, 40, 54: Gospodi! Topor u moye golovye!
          Bozhe moy, u meenya tapor v golove!


          Sámi41: Vuoi Ipmilahcci! Mus han leat aksu oaivvis
          Sanskrit42: He mama deva! Asti mama murdhni parasuh!
          Serbo-Croatian12: Boje moj! sjekira mi je u glavi.
          Scots Gaelic7, 12, 30: Och, mo Dhia, 's e tuagh a tha sa' mo cheann.
          Sinhala43: Ane Deviyane! Mage oluwe porawak thiyanawa
          Slovak2: Pane boze! Mam sekeru v hlave!
          Slovenian: Moj Bog! Sekiro imam v glavi.
          Spanish44: ¡Dios mio! ¡Hay un hacha en mi cabeza!
          Srana (Surinamese)45: Tjé mi gado! Mi ab' **** aksi na ini mi édé!
          Swahili: Siyo! (Huko) Shoka yangu kichwanil!
          Swedish46: Oh, Herregud! Jag har en yxa i huvudet!

          Tagalog: Ay Dios ko! May palakol sa ulo ko!
          Tamil2: Ada kadavule! En thalaiyil oru kodali irrukku!
          Telegu12: Ore devudo! Naa thala lo goddali undhi
          Turkish47: Aman Tanrim; Kafama saplanmis bir balta var.

          Ukranian7: Bozhe mij, ja maju sokyru v holovi
          Urdu48: Au Mere Allah Mere Sur Me Kulahri Hai

          Vietnamese (North Dialect)2: Oi gioi oi! Cai bu'a no bo vao dau toi!
          Vietnamese (Central Dialect)2: Oi troi phat oi! Cai rua chem vo dau tui!
          Vietnamese (South Dialect)2: Chu'a toi oi! Cai rua chat be dau tao!
          Visigothic: Meina guth, Ikgastaldan aqizi-wunds meina haubida
          Volapük49: O God obik! Binon lecüd in kap obik.

          Wallon (Belgian dialectical FrenchРphonetic)50: Nom d̩ dju, y a ̬n hache din m' ti̬t
          Welsh8: A Dduw! Mae bywell yn fy mhen i!

          Yiddish51: gotenyu! s'iz do a hak in kop!


          Zau Ta-folin (Sauron's Black Speech of Mordor)52:
          Afar Lugbúrz! at sapat kok-ishi.
          Afar vadokanuk, At sapat kok-ishi!
          Zulu53: Awu nkosi yami kunembhazo ekh



          Shame on all that lump by sterotyping!! Terroist=Terroist. Whether it be Northern Ireland crazy terrorists or Al Quaeda. Every country has some form of them. Just because Terroist claim a religion, does not make all religion the terroists. Just becasue you are mad at some group .. it is immature thinking to have it transcend to all the peoples. yes it is difficult b/c we are human with many faults.. but with mature thinking and reasoning you pull yourself in check. Next you will allow yourselves to say hate all ARabic people.. they are bad and should be destroyed too. No more Andre Aggasi, Paula Abdul???? Its called unwarranted bigotry. Dont fall for this snare of Satan who is causing this division. Do your selves a favor and do some research in culture and religion.. Practice tolerance of religion..Then make a stand without ignorance.

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          • #35
            Good Morning Paddy...

            I just read this post.... No offense to you at all... but I think 4now is not a deluded liberal gutless t-u-r-d at all... I strongly believe 4now is the most reasonable person on this board who never gives any prejudiced advice and always proves himself a voice of reason. I don't know if he is muslim or whatever ... but I respect him as a person / human .... For what he is ....

            I can understand your anger towards muslims ... well I feel it same way sometimes ... coz maximum terrorists belong to the same religion ... but .... There are millions and millions of innocent muslims those have nothing to do with it.... Still they get blamed for the same thing..... coz of few b a s t a r d s ..... innocent muslims feel same way for Americans and that's very sad....

            Hey Bushmaster ...

            You are also one of those whom I respect a lot but keep your Christianity to yourself only ... we already had long discussion on www.immigrate2us.net about it .... Though I am not muslim ... and I belong to religion that doesnt favor muslims either ... but as a human we shouldn't be prejudiced and respect each and every religion .... And everyone has a right to follow the religion whatever they want ..... I don't need to write the same thing we had discussion on immigrate2us.net but I respect Christianity also and go to church like 3 Sundays a month .... But we should never hammer on other people about one and only one religion and be that kinda fanatic too...

            I hope u guys don't take my replies in a wrong way.... You both are my favorite .... Pasha

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            • #36
              Bushmaster

              Whether I am muslim or not muslim is only relative to me and God. It is not the issue here and is a private matter for most people. You are very fortunate b/c you do have in depth knowledge of both religions.. where most do not. But I hope you are not allowing your selft to feel prejudice against them because you no longer are muslim. & you know better than most that terroists is not a synonym for muslim. And you also know that both religions speak of "Quit touching the unclean things" Get out from among them. But I am not here to banter with you about what religion is right or wrong. Just here to state unbiased facts.

              My response to this thread was to clarify and educate the language translation of arabic term allah for those that dont know. simple translation that it means God. a title.. not some Idol or mystical unknown diety. A lot of misconception going around about the term.


              Yes the terrorists that butcher are saying it in the name of God. Whats' your point here.. A lot of groups say things in the name of God. Currently the Irish, Spain, in addition to these Middle Eastern Terrorists. Thats been done since ancient days. 4example:

              America justified slavery of afrikaans using scripture. The KKK did same on justify the killings and torture of blacks in america. All was supposedly done with the blessing of God.

              Bloodthirst & Greed twisting scriptures to suit MAN.

              The activists bombing the abortion clinics use scripture to justify what they do and for the killing of the doctors that perform abortions.

              Scary thing on that scripture is that it did support it as i recall

              YOu say you dont hear an uproar big enough. just a few. Whats your point.... what u never see this happen before??

              When the Germans prosecuted and tortured and killed all the Jews. Where was the big uproar ..In fact the Catholic Church gave its blessing. ARe all Germans Nazi???? of course not. but America was taught to hate Germans for the longest time once our government gave the green light to do so.

              YOu say Allah does not explain a thing. It does .. it is simply arabic translation for english word God. nothing more ..nothing less.
              We are not speaking about doctrines of religion here. Every religion has its own doctrines.. We are speaking of the diety. Same diety.. God of Abraham. Same beginnings. The "Y" in the road comes later.. Some become followers of Christ, others become followers of Mohamed, others become followers of Mormon. But the omnipotent God in all of those religions is the same God...God of Israel.. YAHWAH meaning "He that causes to become"

              [Quote]
              "Bring forth a verse where God of Israel commands Israelites to decapitate non-believers, aggressors on a global scale please"

              ok here are a few.

              Those with bibles will have to open them to Joshua chapter 8 reading. pay attention to vs 18.

              Also joshua chapter 10 reading. especially vs 25 thru 38. vs34 on brutally speaks of smoting with the sword.

              Jeremiah ch 50 vs 21

              "Go up against the land of Merathaim and against the inhabitants of Pekod. Slay, and utterly destroy after them, says the LORD, and do all that I have commanded you.

              There are many more if you like I can supply.

              These scriptures were however instructions from & by God. He is God of Armies.

              Not like as of today when people are just loosely going around saying it to suit their needs and wants to justify murder...

              Terrorists!

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              • #37
                4now,

                I really appreciate your last post and I'm glad you listed some of the OT scriptures that reflect some of the violence that was ordered, etc. by God. As far as scriptures supporting what the abortion clinic bombers did (did I understand you correctly?) I'm not sure which scripture was used as justification but I do know that much of the Bible can be used to justify almost any act, when taken out of context. That's why it is so important to take it as a whole and not just in parts, which many people do not do. Also, it is ridiculous to say that all Muslims are terrorists, etc. Just as you said in regards to KKK, etc., many senseless acts have been committed in the name of God (in whatever language) and many more will be I'm sure. Some people have said "Muslims should speak up and say that they don't agree with the terrorists", etc. Are the same people that are saying this also the ones that are saying "all Muslims are just like the terrorists" and " they should kill 'em all"? And these people actually expect Muslims to stand up and say they don't agree? As far as what name is used for God, I've heard many people use the name Allah, Elohim, etc. for God, Baptist preachers, Messianic Jews, and many others. It shouldn't be a major shock to anyone to hear Him referred to in different languages! The Bible was not originally written in English.

                I would like to learn Urdu and I don't know whether your sample statement is the best to start with.

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                • #38
                  Urdu is a TRICK! They really speak Punjabi.

                  Mai diggia hun!
                  Sweet Madame Belu

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                  • #39
                    ***You are also one of those whom I respect a lot but keep your Christianity to yourself only ... ***

                    Wait a minute, I am not bible bashing here buddy, I am responding to a critique about my faith, do I not have the right to do that? And I didn't ask anyone to convert to Christianity, this board is not my mission field, what is the "keep your Christianity to yourself only" remark for? I can talk about my faith anywhere I want man, I am not afraid if my faith offends you, I hate to be politically correct. Although this doesn't mean that I will try everything to convert someone. That is not the issue, my point is, you can't tell me "keep your Christianity to yourself only"


                    ***we already had long discussion on www.immigrate2us.net about it***

                    And I believe I explained where I come from when I talk about these issues, I also mentioned similar things like I did just above!!!

                    ***but as a human we shouldn't be prejudiced and respect each and every religion***

                    I told you this before, I don't have to respect thought and belief systems or ideals, it is like asking me to respect "communism" However, I do respect people, I remember told you this before, I can respect people without respecting their belief. I do get involved in interfaith discussions and I do word my thoughts carefully, I do not break hearts but I get to speak my mind which is why this country stands for....

                    ***And everyone has a right to follow the religion whatever they want***

                    Of course, and I didn't say anything opposite to it, did I?


                    ***But we should never hammer on other people about one and only one religion and be that kinda fanatic too...***

                    I think you got little excite and carried away with all due respect, because I didn't mention such things in my post. My first paragraph was about semantics, second was a quote from the Bible about where people can still believe in one God but in their own way, and my message to 4now was a response, I do not think I hammered anything in my messages.

                    ***I hope u guys don't take my replies in a wrong way.... You both are my favorite .... Pasha***


                    AMEN!!!
                    SEMPER VIPER / Army Strong!

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                    • #40
                      4now, thanks for taking time to write...

                      ***Whether I am muslim or not muslim is only relative to me and God. It is not the issue here and is a private matter for most people.***

                      Yes you are right, but my intention was not to expose your faith, my intention was to have someone who has authority in their own scripture to explain verses or actions theologically or historically etc and not throw the stones to the other glass church.

                      See we got one muslim and how did he bring explanation to the issue?

                      ... Americans on this board talking s.h.i.t...
                      ...you guys are a living proof that you are real idiots...
                      ...if that stops you'll be riding donkeys to work....

                      I mean come on man, we can't advertise islam as "peaceful and tolerant" and go "eye for an eye"

                      That is why I was wondering if you were one. Not all of them are patient enough to engage in discussion when their faith is under heat. And just another $.02 of mine about the oil, "Keep your oil my friend, it wouldn't bother me to ride my bike to work, I don't mind, I don't buy middle eastern oil anyway, I boycott your oil, I buy venezuelan oil, although I wonder how those countries will beg to US not to and catch all the terrorists in one day when the US states that she will cease to buy oil from them?, Think about it, As much as you think US needs you, you need the US worser, like you need the government do its job and approve your petitions"

                      ***You are very fortunate b/c you do have in depth knowledge of both religions.. where most do not. But I hope you are not allowing your selft to feel prejudice against them because you no longer are muslim.***

                      While I am a huge critic of Islam and its beliefs as an ex-muslim, nope I am not prejudiced against any muslims. I tell you this, peaceful and moderate, people loving muslims show themselves everywhere, and no matter what, I am commanded to love anybody whatever faith they belong to in my faith. So yes sometimes things in middle east, tick me off, but no I don't get my gun and hit the street to hunt down those here ...


                      ****you know better than most that terroists is not a synonym for muslim.****

                      CORRECT!!!

                      ***And you also know that both religions speak of "Quit touching the unclean things" Get out from among them. But I am not here to banter with you about what religion is right or wrong. Just here to state unbiased facts.***

                      Going good so far


                      ***My response to this thread was to clarify and educate the language translation of arabic term allah for those that dont know. simple translation that it means God. a title.. not some Idol or mystical unknown diety. A lot of misconception going around about the term.***

                      Yes, my arabic brothers call him Allah too, in Aramaic, what Jesus spoke, it is "ALAHA", he says on the cross "Alohee, Alohee" Semantics are correct, the title is correct. I don't have anything to say about the meaning of words and stuff you brought about it. My point was rather theologically, but this might not be the place as people need to know the background of these faiths and history about them.

                      ***Yes the terrorists that butcher are saying it in the name of God. Whats' your point here.. A lot of groups say things in the name of God. Currently the Irish, Spain, in addition to these Middle Eastern Terrorists. Thats been done since ancient days. 4example:

                      America justified slavery of afrikaans using scripture. The KKK did same on justify the killings and torture of blacks in america. All was supposedly done with the blessing of God.

                      Bloodthirst & Greed twisting scriptures to suit MAN.***

                      I only responded why the title was "Allah's butchers" ... Do I believe Allah commanded something like this? Very unlikely, do I believe Quran is a good ground to "twist" scriptures? I do. But I am also glad that it is only a small group of people doing this, not the 6 million in the US.

                      ***The activists bombing the abortion clinics use scripture to justify what they do and for the killing of the doctors that perform abortions.***

                      Yes, pretty sad, fortunately, explanation is all in the scripture.

                      ***YOu say you dont hear an uproar big enough. just a few. Whats your point.... what u never see this happen before??***

                      Yes, I would like to see muslim people, countries, uniting and vowing to end terrorism, maybe a little far fetched idea but that is sure what I want. Even on this board, we don't hear from a muslim explaining things, there is silence.

                      ***When the Germans prosecuted and tortured and killed all the Jews. Where was the big uproar ..In fact the Catholic Church gave its blessing. ARe all Germans Nazi???? of course not. but America was taught to hate Germans for the longest time once our government gave the green light to do so.***

                      Yea, they have their own country now, which is a big problem.

                      ***YOu say Allah does not explain a thing. It does .. it is simply arabic translation for english word God. nothing more ..nothing less.***

                      Yes, my point was theologically, and might not be suitable for this board, the name Allah means God, and points to God almighty, but that doesn't mean that Quran was revealed from this God and Muhammad was his prophet.

                      ***We are not speaking about doctrines of religion here. Every religion has its own doctrines.. We are speaking of the diety. Same diety.. God of Abraham. Same beginnings. The "Y" in the road comes later.. Some become followers of Christ, others become followers of Mohamed, others become followers of Mormon. But the omnipotent God in all of those religions is the same God...God of Israel.. YAHWAH meaning "He that causes to become"***

                      This is a politically correct, liberal stand point which I do not agree with and can argue on it for pages... I do not believe God has many ways to Him. Interesting to note all three major religions are looking forward NOT TO Abraham but Jesus to come...

                      ***ok here are a few.

                      Those with bibles will have to open them to Joshua chapter 8 reading. pay attention to vs 18.
                      ***

                      18 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Hold out toward Ai the javelin that is in your hand, for into your hand I will deliver the city." So Joshua held out his javelin toward Ai.

                      The uplifted spear had probably a flag, or streamer on it, to render it the more conspicuous from the height where he stood. At the sight of this understood signal the ambush nearest the city, informed by their scouts, made a sudden rush and took possession of the city, telegraphing to their brethren by raising a smoke from the walls. Upon seeing this, the main body, who had been reigning a flight, turned round at the head of the pass upon their pursuers, while the twenty-five thousand issuing from their ambuscade, fell back upon their rear. The Ai-ites surprised, looked back, and found their situation now desperate.

                      ***Also joshua chapter 10 reading. especially vs 25 thru 38. vs34 on brutally speaks of smoting with the sword.***

                      That is too long to explain but anyone can read;

                      http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...5223-9479.html

                      ***Jeremiah ch 50 vs 21

                      "Go up against the land of Merathaim and against the inhabitants of Pekod. Slay, and utterly destroy after them, says the LORD, and do all that I have commanded you.***

                      Inhabitants of Pekod. Now I do agree that there is violence in the OLD TESTAMENT. It can be explained best as in this article;

                      http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/otkillergod.htm

                      Now theologically speaking God can and will cast his wrath upon the wicked people, history of the OT shows us this, therefore he is going to use anything he likes, just like the Israelites. You brought a good verse actually, God here puts down the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. Inhabitants of Pekod. See there is no global scale command to believers, there is no "sunnah" how to smite necks, and most importantly there is no PEKOD in the world today. There is violence, fine I agree with you, is it the same violence , no it is not! It would take me a good laugh if a Christian today shows up with a sword in his hand and decapitate a member of another faith and recite "God told me to destroy inhabitants of Pekod" I don't think it works that way

                      Merathaim--a symbolical name for Babylon, the doubly rebellious, namely, against God. Compare Jeremiah 50:24, "thou hast striven against the Lord"; and Jeremiah 50:29, "proud against the Lord." The "doubly" refers to: first, the Assyrian's oppression of Israel; next, the kindred Chaldean's oppression of Judah (compare Jeremiah 50:17-20,33; especially Jeremiah 50:18).
                      Pekod--(Ezekiel 23:23); a chief province of Assyria, in which Nineveh, now overthrown, once lay. But, as in Merathaim, the allusion is to the meaning of Pekod, namely, "visitation"; the inhabitants whose time of deserved visitation in punishment is come; not, however, without reference to the now Babylonian province, Pekod. The visitation on Babylon was a following up of that on Assyria.

                      ***There are many more if you like I can supply.***

                      I am sure you can, also you must supply the historical context behind 'em...

                      ***These scriptures were however instructions from & by God. He is God of Armies.***

                      Yes. But that fight is over.

                      ***Not like as of today when people are just loosely going around saying it to suit their needs and wants to justify murder...***

                      Muslims are just scapegoats, I feel sorry for them because they are in the middle. This is a good time to be friends with them and support them. And no I don't mean to support islam.
                      SEMPER VIPER / Army Strong!

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                      • #41
                        ***Some people have said "Muslims should speak up and say that they don't agree with the terrorists", etc. Are the same people that are saying this also the ones that are saying "all Muslims are just like the terrorists" and " they should kill 'em all"? And these people actually expect Muslims to stand up and say they don't agree?***

                        I hope you are not throwing a stone at me here, as I said the former but not the latter. And yes I do actually expect 'em to stand up and you don't?

                        I have got NO muslim friends so far, who both here in the US and Turkey, have done the thing I am talking about, why is the silence?
                        SEMPER VIPER / Army Strong!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bushmaster:
                          ***Some people have said "Muslims should speak up and say that they don't agree with the terrorists", etc. Are the same people that are saying this also the ones that are saying "all Muslims are just like the terrorists" and " they should kill 'em all"? And these people actually expect Muslims to stand up and say they don't agree?***

                          I hope you are not throwing a stone at me here, as I said the former but not the latter. And yes I do actually expect 'em to stand up and you don't?

                          I have got NO muslim friends so far, who both here in the US and Turkey, have done the thing I am talking about, why is the silence?
                          I'm a little confused here, are you saying moslem in general doesn't stand up and condemn these terrorist acts?

                          From what I'm exposed to and my experience in life, many moslem have an apathy against the US. Partly due to US support to Israel, partly because they see US as a big bully forcing their way on other nation, partly because their local ustadz always portrait US as the big white evil in their weekly friday sermon, partly because they view US = christian, and christian is islam's eternal enemy, etc.
                          Other large group moslem simply doesn't care, since they have lot other more pressing things in life to worry about. Whether they think its right to kill innocent american hostages? probably not. Would they took the time to condemn it? Probably not too, just like most americans won't care a dang thing when millions of ppl were killed during the genocide in Rwanda.

                          To their defense, many govt from moslem countries has strongly condemn these barbaric acts.

                          I believe once they meet face to face and get to know you as a person, all those wrong misconception will get clear up.
                          Take example of the latest american beheading casualty. His moslem friends in Saudi are condemning the act and cursing those terrorist for doing it. Of course it doens't help American's image when they launch war against moslem country left and right (especially one without a clear cause like the one in Iraq).

                          I do feel there's a serious lacking in the moderate moslem's part, to curb these radicals behavior. Whether thats due to because they're afraid to confront the radicals directly, or they feel the general population will not be supportive of the idea, remain to be seen.

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                          • #43
                            (Quran 4: 144): O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you?

                            (Quran 5:33): The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land.

                            (Quran 9:5): Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

                            (Quran 8:12): Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

                            (Quran 8:65): O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence.

                            (Quran 9: 123): O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

                            (Quran 47:4): When you meet the disbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

                            (Quran 76: 4): Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire.


                            Capitol punishment based on religious doctrine only occurs in a few countries on this earth. The first couple that come to mind are Muslim dominated countries (Saudi, Pakistan). It will be a great day when this twisted cult wakes up and realizes this was all 'MAN MADE MANIPULATION'

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                            • #44
                              Bushmaster, no, I was not throwing stones at you, as you know, you did not fit the full description that I was talking about.

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                                Discussion is going into the same direction like before....so I would just write few points ....

                                "Wait a minute, I am not bible bashing here buddy"

                                well you sound everytime ...and not only to me...others holding other religion too...



                                "I told you this before, I don't have to respect thought and belief systems or ideals"

                                and that's the problem...don't you see... that makes more enemies and terror / hate towards USA from some communities....

                                "I think you got little excite and carried away with all due respect, because I didn't mention such things in my post. My first paragraph was about semantics, second was a quote from the Bible about where people can still believe in one God but in their own way, and my message to 4now was a response, I do not think I hammered anything in my messages."

                                May be.... But I don't think I did.... AMEN

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