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  • Rough Neighbor
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We are the furthest evolved carbon life in the process of fractalization (via the vibration of strings) of spacetime and speciation of virtual particles in the Higgs field. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    In short, this is yet another wild 'theory' tossed around out there just to work around the creation of the first life form by the Supreme Being.

    I can't see your answer to my other question that begs explaining. If life evolves, how about the other non-life forms that are necessary to sustain life?

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  • abercrombie_toronto
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
    Again, for the record, just a split second ago, S12, the ilw.com's moronic icon, just ran away with hooked tail to hide under his momma's skirt as usual. Hmm... so boring for an early Sunday evening! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    Again, for the record, just a split second ago, S12, the ilw.com's moronic icon, just ran away with hooked tail to hide under his momma's skirt as usual. Hmm... so boring for an early Sunday evening!

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    It goes without saying that I'm waiting for S12's soon-to-be idiotic postings too. For the record, I can see that he's online at this very moment.

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    Yes? What happened? Where are your multiple theorists to back up your 'logical and rational' thoughts? I'm telling you, I've got nobody. Just the guidance of the Holy Spirit and my humble god-given reasoning ability.

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    No no, on the condition that you will read the Bible too because there is where logical and rational thinking lies. Or better still, let's debate real-time now based on our own logical and rational thinking.

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
    What you wrote above RN makes absolutely no sense. You're a.s.s.uming we are a creation, something significant, an ultimate intention of a conscious being. Yet, you offer no proof that this is the case.
    We are a consequence, to go even a little further to illustrate the point, a by product of the universe's evolutionary processes, along with all the bacteria, parasites, fish and all the rest of carbon life.
    We invent words like god, good, evil, soul, angels, satan, etc. to add significance to our existence, but notice that none of these words describe anything that naturally exists in nature, and none of the above are proven to exist.
    Simply because they don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ok, but evolution is a process, not an event. In order for a life form to evolve, there must be something that it's evolving from - even if that's a one-cell organism or something. If evolution is the process, the origin of the first life form is the event. The question that evolutionists and big-bangers can't explain is where did the first life form come from, or how could something come into being out of nothing? Let's leave the discussion about the human body for later, that happens to be so sophisticated, mysterious, and inexplicable to be just a 'consequence' of 'universe's evolutionary processes.' That's the organic part.

    Next please explain to me the inorganic part of the universe: the air we breathe, the water we drink, the land and sea that feed us, the sun and the moon that balance life's mechanisms, and the likes. Please show me that these are consequences of universal evolutionary processes too.

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  • Kollerkrot
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
    What you wrote above RN makes absolutely no sense. You're a.s.s.uming we are a creation, something significant, an ultimate intention of a conscious being. Yet, you offer no proof that this is the case.
    We are a consequence, to go even a little further to illustrate the point, a by product of the universe's evolutionary processes, along with all the bacteria, parasites, fish and all the rest of carbon life.
    We invent words like god, good, evil, soul, angels, satan, etc. to add significance to our existence, but notice that none of these words describe anything that naturally exists in nature, and none of the above are proven to exist.
    Simply because they don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So you dare say the soul does not exist? I am sorry for you...you then must be an ugly inhumane wooden-looking unyielding klotz.

    The word Psycho (Greek: mind, spirit, consciousness, mental processes; the human soul; breath of life); psychology is the study of the same.

    Love, do you believe in love...because that doesn’t grow in the fields, or feelings, they don’t grow on trees, or are readily available elsewhere. You must be telling me that I then make up these words and perceptions too. If you have no psyche, you have no perception, no horizon and you can’t believe in anything that is good or bad. My psyche is my spirit that surrounds me, it is vital to me it is my mind.

    The biblical explanation of man is that man is created in the image of God. That means man is primarily a spiritual being, not a physical one. The Bible also indicates that God’s purposes in creating man have no physical significance.

    Passages like the ones below…

    Ephesians 6:12, Ephesians 3:9-11 and Job 1 and 2 (too long to list here).

    Ephesians 6 12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Ephesians 3 9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    make it clear that man is a part of something far grander and more magnificent than those things that happen in space and time. Imperfection in this physical world is far less significant if you understand that this world is not the sum total of our existence.

    With a mindset like yours, you’ll never be able to pursue what the nature of that existence is and how we play a significant role in the battle between good and evil.

    I bet you never red the Bible.

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Someone12:
    it is sure clear that several posters are thoroughly brainwashed....proof of god? haven't seen it...and just because you say it's so doesn't prove jacques merde....
    no one is walking on water...no one has ever violated the laws of physics...no one has been reincarnated in accurate, recorded history (the bible is just a collection of stories written by men in order to (a)brainwash those living in trailerparks and goat herds and (b) attempt to rationalize categorizing women as second class human beings, which for me, disproves the existence of god...certainly the Catholic/Christian/Allah one....probably davdah, UnPatriotic&ProudOfItUSC,Sourkraut and even that goatphukking ambercrumbly send money to charlatans like Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson, believing (foolishly) that by sending these ripoff artists cash, they will reserve a front row seat in heaven....yea right...P.T. Barnum was right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We're talking about generalities about the universe, Supreme Being, where we came from and where we're going to. Nobody is talking about religions except you. See? You're the one who's brainwashed here. So impertinent and so irrelevant of you as usual.

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    it is sure clear that several posters are thoroughly brainwashed....proof of god? haven't seen it...and just because you say it's so doesn't prove jacques merde....
    no one is walking on water...no one has ever violated the laws of physics...no one has been reincarnated in accurate, recorded history (the bible is just a collection of stories written by men in order to (a)brainwash those living in trailerparks and goat herds and (b) attempt to rationalize categorizing women as second class human beings, which for me, disproves the existence of god...certainly the Catholic/Christian/Allah one....probably davdah, UnPatriotic&ProudOfItUSC,Sourkraut and even that goatphukking ambercrumbly send money to charlatans like Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson, believing (foolishly) that by sending these ripoff artists cash, they will reserve a front row seat in heaven....yea right...P.T. Barnum was right.

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  • Kollerkrot
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    A PRACTICAL MAN'S PROOF OF GOD

    The existence of God is a subject that has occupied schools of philosophy and theology for thousands of years. Most of the time, these debates have revolved around all kinds of assumptions and definitions. Philosophers will spend a lifetime arguing about the meaning of a word and never really get there. One is reminded of the college student who was asked how his philosophy class was going. He replied that they had not done much because when the teacher tried to call roll, the kids kept arguing about whether they existed or not.

    Most of us who live and work in the real world do not concern ourselves with such activities. We realize that such discussions may have value and interest in the academic world, but the stress and pressure of day-to-day life forces us to deal with a very pragmatic way of making decisions. If I ask you to prove to me that you have $2.00, you would show it to me. Even in more abstract things we use common sense and practical reasoning. If I ask you whether a certain person is honest or not, you do not flood the air with dissertations on the relative nature of honesty; you would give me evidence one way or the other. The techniques of much of the philosophical arguments that go on would eliminate most of engineering and technology if they were applied in those fields.

    The purpose of this brief study is to offer a logical, practical, pragmatic proof of the existence of God from a purely scientific perspective. To do this, we are assuming that we exist, that there is reality, and that the matter of which we are made is real. If you do not believe that you exist, you have bigger problems than this study will entail and you will have to look elsewhere.

    A practical man's proof of God!

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  • Rough Neighbor
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
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    I have no personal reasons to unfollow a god, and follow logic instead. Ad hominem is a total fallacy and an irrelevant factor here, trust me. My atheism is entirely objective and rational in nature. I do not reject the human spirit and human culture, which I believe is the closest to what a god could be, I do not reject it. Quite on the contrary, I embrace humanity in all its frailty, which is more than any God fearing Christian ever does. Because I understand it so much more, without God in it.
    And I cannot reject something or someone that doesn't exist, at least not in real life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It's funny how atheists and agnostics claim logical and rational thinking in rejecting the existence of God or a Supreme Being.

    Premise 1:
    It's only through creation by a Supreme Being that something can come out of nothing and sustain all its logical and rational existence.

    Premise 2:
    That same being reigns superior in power and intelligence to the same tasks at hand, and to all His creations, man included, being His masterpiece. Hence, He's aptly called the "Supreme Being" that means a being that reigns supreme to and over all.

    Premise 3:
    The Creator exists first before all His creations. It can't be the other way around, which leads us to...

    Inference 1:
    A creation cannot create its Creator.

    Inference 2:
    A Creator or a Supreme Being, however you perceive him to be, exists. To believe otherwise defies logical and rational thought process.

    Conclusion:
    Atheists and agnostics think and believe illogically and irrationally. And they can't prove their allegations.

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  • Kollerkrot
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    I believe in you...always have always will.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

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  • 4now
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><span class="ev_code_red">I agree with you that there is much we don't know, and there is a power of life, larger than we can ever understand. </span>
    But that power has no approximately personal or any type of connection to us, nor will we ever have a connection to "it" in any sense. This is an indisputable fact, as logic supports it. In order for free life to exist, there cannot be any ties between different levels of existence in a consequential universe.
    God's existence means an elimination of free will altogether, absolute control and limits on existence, and its evolutionary free process. His existence would basically introduce an element of chaos and subvert any chances for life to exist.
    In order for life to exist, it must be free of a human God.

    But if not this little discussion, we'd never know that Davdah still believes in Santa Clause.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    What are you arguing about iperson. You are in agreement that there is a higher power/supreme being. end of story. The diety these people speak of and the one you refer to is not a human diety. By whatever name that this supreme being is referred to God/Allah etc, it is a supreme being not human, You may not agree with religions... perhaps this is your argument, but it seems you are in agreement with the rest of us here that there is a supreme being running the show.

    <span class="ev_code_RED">@ Davdah</span>

    Come on man.. I hope you were joking. Santa has only been around in the commercial market for about 150 years or less. It became popular to promote retail sales to tie in with christmas (which was madeup to draw the pagans into the catholic church by combining traits of the winter solstice celebration with a birth of jesus). reality. there is no birth of jesus on December 25th and there is no santa claus. It is all one big lie used to manipulate the masses. The lst 90 years have been relentless because of the $$$ it generates.

    Next you will have us thinking that this holiday Thanksgiving has been around forever.

    We will not be done if this Santa thing goes away again. Buying and spending will be more stable thru out the year instead of one or two shot deals from nov to dec.

    read here

    and here

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  • Kollerkrot
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    Alright, so let's get to the bottom of this. You think I argue ad populum and ad ignoratum?

    I like to be normal and I like to do what others do. I belong to the mainstream of people - to the majority. I am a healthy individual, with healthy hormones and healthy emotions that respond to the right kind of attraction - non of them are poled wrong. I have God given wisdom and a God given conscience and I use it to the fullest.

    Atheists, I think are not normal in that they argue besides the mainstream of people - moreover, in the minority. Why do they argue that God doesn't exist? Because God and everything surrounding the knowledge of God - wisdom and conscience gets in their way. The righteousness and evil surrounding the existence of God would make them feel uncomfortable because they are not normal and they know they are not. And, because they are abnormal and cannot ever become normal, they rather seek to eliminate God then accept their abnormalcy.

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