HI SOMEONE12, FEDERALE

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
One prerequisite is required. In order to have it carry any weight, the recognition of it being inspired writing needs to be accepted. Without that, it's taken as Ip said, fables and stories. Granted, truth abounds but it needs connected to those facts irrefutable. For example. There are passages that speak to keeping people sick apart from the flock. When was contagion discovered by modern science? There is also the issue of reconciling time and those first seven days. That takes a little more explanation than sneezes spreading the common cold, but it can be done. The trouble with atheists is they have no explanation except to say they have none. Offer up the connecting dots and usually they'll look as such.


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At this junction I would like to recommend a book that I read titled: Job's Body by Dean Juhan. If I may, I will quote some of his work later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry I can't provide excerpts of the book it would create a copyright issue. But the book is available on Amazon.

[OldE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:

The video was as I said. The point I was making wasn't about the movie's content. That's a given. It was the reason for posting it and waiting for enough comments to be made before passing judgment on viewers intellectual ability. Why was it posted being so full of inaccuracies if not for the reason I suspect?

Ok, well, you choose to buy the premise of ironchariotes.org, fine. I'd rather debate an issue minus the cut-n-paste nonsense. When asked, 'What do you think'. The emphasis is on you, not the mouse or [ctrl] V.

I've never said you 'must' believe. That's to the individual and at the core of free will given to us. You can be righteous or a godless heathen, it's up to each of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

davdah, there was no video , there were videos.
I left without comments some, pointed as credible one where Feynman was interviewed and referred to one posted by iperson as a hoax (which didn't surprise me , knowing what the usual content of iperson's posts are).
And ,sure enough, i just did a little research on it and found out that apparently, i am not the only one criticising it as a pseudoscience. Of course it didn't prevent it from grossing over $10 mils.

As far as logical fallacy and rules of argument that necessiate one to back up positive statement rather than obliging others to disprove it , well , that is just a universal rule or argument. Just because something is posted on ironchariotes.org (or anywhere by anyone) doesn't necessarily invalidate it's valid parts concerning logical fallacy and necessity to back up a positive statement .
It is such a well known imperative of any argument based on logic that you do yourself disservice by denying it.

Finally, this is not about what i believe , stop twisting and spinning things around so you can avoid addressing the subject matter of discussion.
This is about YOU saying that YOU believe certain things and claiming furthermore that to believe what YOU believe in is to be righteous while not beleiving what YOU believe is to be a heathen.
And this coming from YOU who also not so long ago was somewhat less than happy with Einstein who, allegedly, made you feel inferior with his Cosmic vs Lay Man religious theory.
So, i guess YOU also hold yourself subject to different set of standards than Einstein, so you can call anyone who doesn't share your views heathens, while it is unacceptable for others imply that your own religious experience may be less than cosmic. Isn't it ironic, davdah, isn't it? Hmm

[Rough Neighbor]

The only universal rule of argument I know is that which the victory over an opponent is the primary goal by establishing the burden of proof and mustering evidence for such a position that is devoid of weaknesses and not easily attacked where either side protects beliefs or self-interests in rationale dialog in a level playing field and in the same footing. The burden is on either side equally who makes either a positive or negative claim. Putting in advance an unequal and undue burden on one side to the disadvantage of the other is a direct violation of such rule.

[OldE]

Yes, RN, you are correct.

In this particular case davdah makes positive assertion so he has to back it up.

On my side I did NOT make a negative assertion (i did not assert that God doesn't exist), ergo no obligation to back it up.

Nor am i obliged to disprove davdah's positive assertion. Why would i want to do that?

It is his task to back up his view since he is one who made assertion.

[Rough Neighbor]

Read back along this thread and you'll find davdah making his statements about a Creator and creations and accordingly offered brilliantly profuse backing to his premise thereby putting indefensible rationale to iperson's and S12's claims in the negative.

Iperson tried in vain to reason out, but eventually sputtered off to her eventual defeat. Forget about S12 because this topic is too complex for his mentally-retarded state.

Yet in all of this, you're right, you didn't state anything in the negative (or in the positive) putting in question where you're situated in this debate. Therefore, you can't impose any obligation on anyone to give justification either way.

Yours is genuinely a straw man fallacy in logic personified as far as the point of contention here is concerned.

[OldE]

davdah, why RN does the arguing on your behalf?

That doesn't serve you well because she offhandedly disregards logic and thus defeats the purpose.

[Rough Neighbor]

It just so happened that our points of view coincided which is rarely the case. Exposing your lack of sense all along in the process makes it all worth it as a net profit.

[OldE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
It just so happened that our points of view coincided which is rarely the case. Exposing your lack of sense all along in the process makes it all worth it as a net profit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please remove this hostile disposition of yours from debate as it only exposes your own lack of sense.

Let's see what davdah has to say on his own behalf. At least he recognises the pointlessness of doing what you do and when feels there is need to abandon logic also says so.

[Rough Neighbor]

You just said I have to go back to school. What happened? Does God exist or not?

[OldE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
You just said I have to go back to school. What happened? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still think you should. It's good to have a passion but it takes more than that to make a strong argument.

[Rough Neighbor]

Insulting me doesn't make you any better. Does God exist or you want to go on as a straw man?

[Rough Neighbor]

I believe God exists and he created everything. I'm willing and I have the ability to back it up. When somebody says no, God doesn't exist, that somebody doesn't have to back up such a claim? Only I have to, the other doesn't have to. That's what you said. Haha! Tell me that that statement makes you sensible.

[OldE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
Insulting me doesn't make you any better. Does God exist or you want to go on as a straw man? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please stop being obnoxious. I have no intention to insult you nor do i wish to continue any conversation with you on this subject.

[Rough Neighbor]

If that's not admission of defeat, I don't know what else is. Hence, you're nothing but a lot of nonsense. Being so, you're the one who has to go back to school, not me. On second thought, common sense isn't being taught in school. Therefore, you're hopeless. What a pity.

[OldE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
If that's not admission of defeat, I don't know what else is. Hence, you're nothing but a lot of nonsense. Being so, you're the one who has to go back to school, not me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are you now concerned with admission of defeat or victory? Weren't you one making fun of another poster who was declaring victory over you?

I am not here on this thread to make declarations of victory or defeat.
One particular poster made a positive assertion and i ask him to back it up.

Now, leave this and go to bed. It's late and time to sleep.

So long.