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  • hope2006
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    Jean , this letter is nothing but one more SCAM which is paid for as an attempt to play with the brains of Americans .
    It will not work .
    If you go to
    www.alipac.us - you will find the tons of information , research etc which is explaining the reality of illegal immigration .
    For you to have an opinion - you need to learn more and separate the SCAM from the Truth

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  • Antifascist1
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    Jean is a "straw man" and your arguments against his/her arguments are "straw man" arguments, Aliba.
    If you don't know what the "straw man" or "straw man argument" is, then look up the definition .

    There were, BTW, great deal more similarities between LieMasters views and yours, AliBa, than there are between mine and Jean's.
    So, even as a "straw man" 'Jean' isn't as effective as you wish it was.


    Go live in your peabrained dreamworld, AliBa.
    Sooner or later reality will catch up.

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  • AliBA
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    Good point, Templar. These guys are basing their claims on studies done years ago on highly educated LEGAL immigrants. They certainly contribute to the economy, although even they make a contribution of around $10 billion in our $12 trillion economy. What these guys also don't tell you is that it's NOT good practice to project the results of a model beyond the data it's based on. Our immigration levels, legal and illegal, are already far higher than the models in the research these guys are quoting. But hey, why let that confuse the point they want to make.

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  • AliBA
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    Remember, when you're talking about a population the size of ours, each half percent change represents more than one million people (and possible voters).

    "The Consumer Confidence Survey is based on a representative sample of 5,000 U.S. households. The monthly survey is conducted for The Conference Board by TNS. TNS is the world's largest custom research company. The cutoff date for May's preliminary results was May 23rd.

    "Consumer confidence, which reached a four-year high in April, lost ground in May," says Lynn Franco, Director of The Conference Board Consumer Research Center. "Apprehension about the short-term outlook for the economy, the labor market and consumers' earning potential has driven the Expectations Index down to levels not seen since the aftermath of the hurricanes last summer. In sharp contrast, consumers continue to rate current conditions favorably, although the Present Situation Index also lost ground this month. Looking ahead, the Expectations Index bears close watching, as it is often a harbinger of times to come."

    Consumers' overall assessment of current conditions eased but remains favorable. Consumers claiming conditions are "good" declined to 28.0 percent from 29.7 percent. Those claiming conditions are "bad" edged up to 15.4 percent from 15.1 percent. Labor market conditions were also less favorable. Those saying jobs are "plentiful" decreased to 28.6 percent from 29.4 percent, while those claiming jobs are "hard to get" increased to 20.5 percent from 19.7 percent.

    Consumers' outlook for the next six months, which improved moderately in April, turned pessimistic in May. Those expecting business conditions to worsen increased to 13.2 percent from 9.3 percent. Those expecting business conditions to improve decreased to 16.5 percent from 17.3 percent. The outlook for the labor market was also less optimistic. Those expecting more jobs to become available in the coming months decreased to 14.6 percent from 15.4 percent in April. Those expecting fewer jobs rose to 18.2 percent from 16.3 percent. The proportion of consumers anticipating their incomes to increase in the months ahead declined to 16.6 percent from 18.0 percent."

    http://www.conference-board.org/econ...Confidence.cfm

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  • templar
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    I always knew that all immigrants help america more then they hurt the country..

    Hopefully with those well known economist stating this fact clearly, we can now put to bed this big myth that immigrants take more money out of the system then it puts into it.
    When ecconomist states that the immigrants help the country, they are mainly meaning the highly educated group in technology sector, which is indeed a major economic boost to US. That's been a common knowledge.

    They certainly are not talking about less intelligent, manual-labor oriented border jumpers like you.

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  • AliBA
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    Your English is off, iperson. The prize (amnesty) is moving f a r ther and f a r ther away for the reasons I gave--Americans aren't feeling that "good" economy these guys (and Bush) claim we have. NOT because of AF1. Illegal aliens won't understand why they aren't getting amnesty if they keep reading AF1's and Jean's paeans to a "good" economy that doesn't feel good to the people who vote. In fact, this is probably a good example of the disconnect between the elites and the masses. These elites (the economists and Bush) have nice comfy jobs, pensions, and are above the worries that the rest of us have. (I'm probably one of them in terms of education and income, but I have blue collar relatives who are worried.)

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  • jean2005
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    You need to remember that there will always be americans in this country that will do whatever it takes to block any type of anti-immigration legislature..and i mean anything..i will post a article about the subject in a munite

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  • AliBA
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    Let them keep dreaming by listening to you and Jean, AF1.

    It's already coming as such a surprise to many of them that we don't have the amnesty they thought they were going to have by June 1. The prize keeps moving ****her and ****her away, and they'll never understand why, from listening to you. Do you really think that Congress is going to care about 500 economists, when they are facing unhappy voters in their home districts prior to the election? Do you think those voters have heard of any of these economists or care what they think? They care about what their pocketbooks are telling them, and about their own fears for their jobs.

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  • jean2005
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    more than 500 prominent economists, including five Nobel laureates, proclaim that "immigration has been a net gain for American citizens.
    You claim that those economist are not known, but yet 5 of them were able to win Noble Laureates....Please, just stop it with your rhetoric and accpet it...again, if the america people wants all immigrants out because they dont like so many hispanic, then fine with me, but dont tell the people that the reason you dont like us is because we hurt your country..i think that we help your country extrmily, i would even say that the great economy that you are enjoying is because of immigrants that are doing the dirty jobs that needs to be done.

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  • Antifascist1
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    Why would I do twice what I did already once?

    I will simply pull the thread from November, 2005 where both Publicus and I posted all everyone needed to know to see as a matter of fact that you, Aliba, are misinforming readers here.

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  • jean2005
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    I understand people vote and i understand that the american people might feel that there is too much immigrants in this country and may decide to elect only members that would shut the door to all immigrants, but this is not the point.

    MY POINT IS, IMMIGRANTS HELPS THIS COUNTRY MORE THEN IT HURTS IT..THOSE ARE FACTS...NOW WHETHER YOU DONT LIKE THEM IS YOUR PROBLEM..WHETHER YOU ARE UNHAPPY THAT AMERICA IDENTITY IS CHANGING IS YOUR PROBLEM, BUT YOU WILL NEVER USE THIS LIE EVER AGAIN.SPECIALLY WHEN ECONOMIST CAN REBUFF YOUR LIES.

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  • AliBA
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    I do dispute it, Jean. The point is, what does it matter if the economy is "good" if it's only the corporations who are benefiting? And remember, corporations don't vote, people do. And immigrants don't vote, citizens do. Immigrants, especially illegals, are doing well; Americans, not.

    Also, my IQ is considerably more than 100, though the fact that I'm wasting time arguing with you does call it into question.

    Nor am I "lying". Go check the figures for yourself, if you even know how to do research. They're readily available in major newspapers. In fact, the Washington Post pointed out the widening income disparity in an article just this morning. You might want to check out Paul Craig Roberts writings as well.

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  • Antifascist1
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    No, Aliba, you are lying.
    We had this discussion back in November, last year.
    At the time Publicus was posting here as well.
    He and I proved you totally wrong on almost every issue concerning immigration and economics.
    We based our arguments on well known, published reports made for Senate/Congressional Committees/Hearings, for the White House, for the Department of Labor and etc.

    But hey, you don't care if you are posting gibberish or making reasonable argument here.

    Your target audience is someone with IQ close to your own, so you assume it's enough to repeat "milk is green" 10.000 and no other facts to prove your point are needed.

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  • jean2005
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    Again, our economic have been at its highest point and a very long time..how can you dispute that?? those are facts...

    Even alan greenspan suggested that immigrants help this country more then it hurts it..how can you reject the word of the most known economist....our unemployment rate is at 3.9%<--u cant never dispute that..when was it that low? ive read somewhere that it never was so low in about 40 50 years and we had less immigrants back then.

    SO REMEMBER, WHENEVER YOU BASH IMMIGRANTS AND THROWS OUT LIES THAT THEY HURT THIS COUNTRY MORE THEN HELP IT, YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT OUT UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS LOW IN DECADES

    "AND BACK THEN, WE HAD LESS IMMIGRANTS THEN NOW BUT FOR SOME REASON, OUR ECONOMIC IS DOING FINE, EVEN AT A TIME OF WARS AND TREMEDOUS SPENDING ON THE WAR IN IRAQ"

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  • AliBA
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    I know, better than you, Jean, that these guys are not presenting any new research, but their OPINIONS. Furthermore, most of them are not on the caliber of Alan Greenspan, and Alan Greenspan's major concern with immigration has always been the more the better simply because the more people there are, the larger the economy is. Says nothing about the DISTRIBUTION of wealth within the country or the welfare of its citizens. Who is benefiting from this "good economy"? The middle class which makes up most of America has seen their average household income dip for five years running. Did you notice the bit, too, that the signers also acknowledge that "immigration of low-skilled workers may have lowered wages of domestic low-skilled workers," but also note that the resulting wage reductions for high school dropouts is estimated to be from eight percent to as little as zero percent. Gee, that's magnanimous of them. Would YOU want to take an 8 percent cut in YOUR wages? If I'm lucky, I get about a 4 percent increase a year. If you're earning what I am or these guys probably are, it won't hurt nearly as much as it would for a minimum wage worker, either.

    Furthermore, Jean, in case you haven't noticed, despite record immigration levels, interest rates have been RISING for the past year or so, job creation is NOT keeping pace with the rate of population growth, and discouraged workers (those out of work more than a year) are not included in unemployment figures. In fact, the Republican candidate for governor in Michigan is emphasizing these forgotten workers in his campaign ads.

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