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  • #16
    Your English is off, iperson. The prize (amnesty) is moving f a r ther and f a r ther away for the reasons I gave--Americans aren't feeling that "good" economy these guys (and Bush) claim we have. NOT because of AF1. Illegal aliens won't understand why they aren't getting amnesty if they keep reading AF1's and Jean's paeans to a "good" economy that doesn't feel good to the people who vote. In fact, this is probably a good example of the disconnect between the elites and the masses. These elites (the economists and Bush) have nice comfy jobs, pensions, and are above the worries that the rest of us have. (I'm probably one of them in terms of education and income, but I have blue collar relatives who are worried.)


    • #17
      I always knew that all immigrants help america more then they hurt the country..

      Hopefully with those well known economist stating this fact clearly, we can now put to bed this big myth that immigrants take more money out of the system then it puts into it.
      When ecconomist states that the immigrants help the country, they are mainly meaning the highly educated group in technology sector, which is indeed a major economic boost to US. That's been a common knowledge.

      They certainly are not talking about less intelligent, manual-labor oriented border jumpers like you.


      • #18
        Remember, when you're talking about a population the size of ours, each half percent change represents more than one million people (and possible voters).

        "The Consumer Confidence Survey is based on a representative sample of 5,000 U.S. households. The monthly survey is conducted for The Conference Board by TNS. TNS is the world's largest custom research company. The cutoff date for May's preliminary results was May 23rd.

        "Consumer confidence, which reached a four-year high in April, lost ground in May," says Lynn Franco, Director of The Conference Board Consumer Research Center. "Apprehension about the short-term outlook for the economy, the labor market and consumers' earning potential has driven the Expectations Index down to levels not seen since the aftermath of the hurricanes last summer. In sharp contrast, consumers continue to rate current conditions favorably, although the Present Situation Index also lost ground this month. Looking ahead, the Expectations Index bears close watching, as it is often a harbinger of times to come."

        Consumers' overall assessment of current conditions eased but remains favorable. Consumers claiming conditions are "good" declined to 28.0 percent from 29.7 percent. Those claiming conditions are "bad" edged up to 15.4 percent from 15.1 percent. Labor market conditions were also less favorable. Those saying jobs are "plentiful" decreased to 28.6 percent from 29.4 percent, while those claiming jobs are "hard to get" increased to 20.5 percent from 19.7 percent.

        Consumers' outlook for the next six months, which improved moderately in April, turned pessimistic in May. Those expecting business conditions to worsen increased to 13.2 percent from 9.3 percent. Those expecting business conditions to improve decreased to 16.5 percent from 17.3 percent. The outlook for the labor market was also less optimistic. Those expecting more jobs to become available in the coming months decreased to 14.6 percent from 15.4 percent in April. Those expecting fewer jobs rose to 18.2 percent from 16.3 percent. The proportion of consumers anticipating their incomes to increase in the months ahead declined to 16.6 percent from 18.0 percent."


        • #19
          Good point, Templar. These guys are basing their claims on studies done years ago on highly educated LEGAL immigrants. They certainly contribute to the economy, although even they make a contribution of around $10 billion in our $12 trillion economy. What these guys also don't tell you is that it's NOT good practice to project the results of a model beyond the data it's based on. Our immigration levels, legal and illegal, are already far higher than the models in the research these guys are quoting. But hey, why let that confuse the point they want to make.


          • #20
            Jean is a "straw man" and your arguments against his/her arguments are "straw man" arguments, Aliba.
            If you don't know what the "straw man" or "straw man argument" is, then look up the definition .

            There were, BTW, great deal more similarities between LieMasters views and yours, AliBa, than there are between mine and Jean's.
            So, even as a "straw man" 'Jean' isn't as effective as you wish it was.

            Go live in your peabrained dreamworld, AliBa.
            Sooner or later reality will catch up.


            • #21
              Jean , this letter is nothing but one more SCAM which is paid for as an attempt to play with the brains of Americans .
              It will not work .
              If you go to
     - you will find the tons of information , research etc which is explaining the reality of illegal immigration .
              For you to have an opinion - you need to learn more and separate the SCAM from the Truth


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