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  • #16
    rough neighbor: you stated it correctly...the catholic church's problems began with 'overblowing'

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    • #17
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Someone12:
      the folks in Oklahoma understand and respect the laws of the US..and those greedy pastors, bishops, etc, just want more docile sheep to donate $$$ into their already overstuffed coffers....hey all you religious types...if god wants you to 'spread the word' and you claim you need money to do so (question: why didn't Jesus go out and sell books/tapes, blessed objects, etc??) then why doesn't your deity just drop a ton of gold in your living room? Why the constant need for cash???? (hint: to pay off the pedophile lawsuits...nice bunch of 'religious' types, those catholic priests...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      By the way S12 - Im one of those folks in Oklahoma, remember me !!!! the illegal dirtbag

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      • #18
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Someone12:
        rough neighbor: you stated it correctly...the catholic church's problems began with 'overblowing' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        No, I wish Catholics will continually pray that you (and all S12 wannabe's) who advocate hate, discord, and division shall 'blow over' to the side so that all the righteous faithful shall live on earth in peace, harmony, and happiness now and ever after!

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        • #19
          the 'righteous faithful' have the brains of a walnut, which is why they fall prey to religious dogma....oh, by the way, more people have been killed in 'the name of god' than any other reason in recorded history....so your phony statement about 'peace, harmony' is just baloney....who bombs abortion clinics? Those who believe in the rights of the mother or the religious fanatics who think that 'god told' them to destroy a building or harm another person...sure....and why couldn't this deity carry out that task himself????

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          • #20
            Oh, wow, a walnut. The size of a "mustard seed" is more than enough. You're giving a walnut? Wow again, how generous. More people are killed in "the name of God," or in the name of religion? Day and night comparison! You mean those people killed in jihads, the Crusades, the Saxon wars, and other religious wars, or other forms of fundamentalist extremisms? Those man-made aggregations of fanatics? I'm sure you do, because you always look at the marginal scope of things. Haha! I don't know what other virtues you contradict. You don't want peace? You don't want harmony? Though you don't want them, they're being proffered to you in silver platters. You may not admit it, but you enjoy them and bask in their glory everyday. Not that you want them, or want to have anything to do with them, but that's what most of us prefer, and work hard to achieve and foster. Think for a second if even the simplest thought of the existence of God is absent in all humankind. We wouldn't be here right now. We should have lived no less than like animals - killing each other, eating each other. You must have long roasted your own mother for dinner. Well, if you're lucky that your father didn't have you before.

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            • #21
              Oklahoma the only state to get it right ,move on little donkey back to your OWN land

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              • #22
                My question to you is .Why should Americans accommodate lawlessness? right off the bat these people break the law by entering illegally ,then run & hide steal from the tax payers in school funding medical bills hit n run accidents, have no respect for the trades in which they work illegally by accepting lower wages in turn drive down the skilled trades in the US.What should be done give OUR the AMERICAN people future away so we can end up like that corrupt **** hole they call Mexico

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                • #23
                  The law is absurd. How will state actually enforce it? What is "aiding"? Is giving a glass of water enough to imprison me? If my friend overstays accidentally his J-1 for one day and I have no knowledge of that, and I take him for a road trip, did I transport or "smuggle" him then?

                  Want to fight illegal immigration, cure the cause, not the symptoms.

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                  • #24
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                    Killing in the name of God. It is always labeled that to give it some credibility. But it is just some fanatic's interpretation that leads people astray. The Catholic church has many bones in its closet as do most churches. But that is only because of the people running it. And that is only because we have been given free will. Sometimes it allows us to be as stupid as we want to be. The church should stay out of this issue. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    God does not necessarily mean the Christian God, Davdah. Look at Greek and Roman Mythology and how they perceived the world and conquered it. There was justification to wage war. Take a look at the Battle of Thermopylae where the oracles of Delphi predicted the doom of King Leonidas. No king of Sparta will wage war without the consent of the oracle. The oracle is the religion of Sparta. Shintoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, and other religions have been used to justify one war or the next. It is not just Catholicism and Gold, Gold, and Glory!
                    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                    • #25
                      rene44---Can't agree more. Thanks for your post.

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                      • #26
                        Renee44 Quote:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Want to fight illegal immigration, cure the cause, not the symptoms. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Chuck Reply:
                        [quote]Rene44---Can't agree more. Thanks for your post.[quote]



                        Just curious...

                        1. what is the cause in your opinion?

                        2.And since the usa in your opinion is treating symptoms... lets go one step up and instead of cure .. how about do preventive medicine... How does usa put preventive measures in place for this?

                        Just curious of your two opinions

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                        • #27
                          4now

                          1. The answer to this question is very simple. In Mexico good paying jobs have limited availability and relative good jobs are available in the U.S. In addition to this, the U.S. needs workers and historically we have supplied this demand through immigration, legal or illegal. A Mexican worker has limited chances of immigrating to the U.S. legally so they take the risk. They will come no matter how we try to secure the border unless we elect to use means no civilized peoples would allow.

                          2.The preventive medecine or measures are not on the border. Oh, yes we can reinforce our borders to the extent that it slows the flow down, but stopping it probably out of our reach considering our morality. Also the cost/result ratio may be prohibitive.
                          The only sure solution is for Mexico economy io improve enough to make moving less attractive.
                          We could make it so hard on employers with fines and other penalties for hiring but we will find that this kind of remedy is too detrimental on our economy.
                          The solution is comprehensive immigration reform which deals with appropriate reform on border enforcement, reforming our numbers we allow to immigrate that is appropriate to the number of workers we need, and to deal fairly and equitably with those 15,000,000 undocumented in our towns and cities that are living law abiding lives and working to make our country better. This means some kind of path to legalization for the good people and a way then to weed out the felons and bad ones and return them to where they came from.

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