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  • #31

    This is all about job security, not Mexicans or anything racial !


    • #32
      Sure, real americans need pro=s h i t jobs.
      And we. illegal aliens, take the best jobs, 70 bucks per hour!


      • #33
        marmaduk = albatross23 = Someone12

        Just ignore his posts. He craves attention and would do anything to get it.


        • #34
          пидаболы !


          • #35
            Selective Summary of Amendments Adopted as Part of Committee's Passed Bill

            DREAM Act
            Removal of Criminalization of Overstays
            Earned Legalization of Undocumented Aliens
            Nurse Employment-Based Immigration Quota Exemption for 7 Years
            Temporary Guest Worker Program
            L-1 for New Office Limited to One-Year with Extension Opportunity and Removal of Employment Authorization for the Spouse during the First One-Year Period
            H-1B Cap of 115,000 Stays.


            • #36
              We must stop it now !


              • #37
                Immigration bill finds bipartisan support in Senate

                WASHINGTON - A comprehensive immigration bill that answers President Bush's call for a guest-worker program appears to have enough bipartisan support to pass the Senate, guaranteeing a legislative collision with an enforcement-oriented House bill, several advocates on both sides of the issue predicted Tuesday.

                "We're in some trouble in the Senate," said Paul Egan, government-relations director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which supports the House bill and opposes the guest-worker concept as a form of amnesty for illegal immigration.

                The Senate may well deadlock with the House of Representatives because their positions differ so radically and the issue is too politically hot in this congressional election year for lawmakers on either side to compromise. That could doom all legislation to overhaul immigration this year.

                The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 12-6 Monday to advance a comprehensive measure that would put millions of illegal immigrants on track to permanent legal status and allow up to 400,000 foreign workers each year to fill low-skilled jobs.

                Egan said opponents of the measure put their hopes in the 435-member House, where a coalition of conservative Republicans has vowed to kill immigration legislation that includes a guest worker plan. The 94-member coalition blocked inclusion of a guest worker program in the immigration bill the House passed in December.

                The House bill also makes illegal immigration a felony and calls for 700 miles of fences along the Southwest border.

                "If the Senate follows the Judiciary Committee's lead, the prospects of getting a reform bill to the president's desk this year are slim, to say the least," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado, coalition leader. "No plan with amnesty and a massive increase in foreign workers will pass the House."

                Egan said a "back-of-the-envelope" count of prospective votes in the Senate shows only about 10 solid votes, nearly all Republican, against the bill, while many other Republicans are undecided. The bill is thought to have strong support among Democrats.

                Republicans have 55 seats in the Senate. Democrats have 44 and usually win support from the Senate's lone independent, James Jeffords of Vermont. Pro-immigrant groups believe they can count on support from at least nine Republicans, and possibly as many as 14. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and three other committee Republicans - Sens. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Mike DeWine of Ohio - voted for the bill.

                "I think the Senate is probably foolish enough to pass this bill or something very close to it," said Egan, "but I don't think the House will buy it."

                Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Fo/rum, which supports the Senate Judiciary bill, offered a similar assessment from an opposing perspective. Democrats are "rather unified" behind the bill, she said. "You add in the Republicans who are supportive, and that's enough to put us over the finish line."

                Backers of the bill said its inclusion of a separate guest worker program for up to 1.5 million agricultural workers could bring added votes from rural-state senators.

                The measure became entangled in parliamentary uncertainty Tuesday after Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., indicated that he might press ahead with a more-limited border security measure similar to the one passed earlier by the House. Senators nevertheless are expected to begin debate this week - possibly as early as Wednesday - and may vote on both measures.

                Specter said that Frist's plan is to allow a day of debate on the enforcement bill, followed by consideration of the committee bill.

                Some lawmakers said it's too early to predict the final outcome in the Senate. Several committee Republicans vowed to offer amendments to change the measure on the Senate floor, including Sens. John Cornyn, R-Tex., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., co-sponsors of a rival bill that would require illegal aliens to return home before being eligible to apply for a guest worker program.

                The committee bill includes key elements of bipartisan legislation co-sponsored by Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. Specter said the bill also embraces Bush's proposed guest worker plan, although the president has not endorsed specific legislation.

                "I think they (the White House) believe we're heading in the right direction," said Specter. "We've picked up essentially the president's idea on guest workers."

                Asked if the president would veto legislation that does not include a guest worker provision, White House spokesman Scott McClellan reiterated Bush's belief that "any immigration reform ought to be comprehensive . . . including a guest worker program."


                • #38
                  NYC001 do you have any idea what will happen for those were here just after jan 2004?


                  • #39
                    From March 29 Immigration Daily:

                    "As we have stated before, we believe there exists a filibuster proof majority for McCain Kennedy on the Senate floor. It is likely that now the stage is set for a conference between the Sensenbrenner bill and McCain Kennedy. It is difficult to see how these two bills can be reconciled. Most likely, a conference report will not be issued and immigration reform will die for 2006. If it does die, it will be testament to the parliamentary skills of Rep. Lamar Smith who would have then successfully torpedoed a wildly popular Senate measure. It appears that Hurricane Katrina not only created political difficulties for the President, it also caused the immigration reform momentum of summer 2005 to dissipate sufficiently to permit Rep. Smith to prevail. Read Immigration Daily to keep on top of the latest Hill news."

                    The only people I know for whom amnesty is "wildly popular" are the people who benefit from illegal immigration, or who think they will: the illegals themselves and their families, immigration lawyers, the Church, ethnic lobbies, Business, labor union leaders, and of course Senators who are in the pockets of special interests and think amnesty will make them popular with Latino voters. Never mind that in Arizona, roughly half of Latino voters voted for Prop 200. Or that Pete Wilson in CA won re-election AFTER Prop 187, while Gray Davis lost a recall over driver's licenses to illegals.


                    • #40
                      One way or another the reform is coming this year !!!!

                      I am sorry for YOU.


                      • #41
                        Immigration Daily, NYC001, is this website's daily publication. Have a look at today's (March 29) issue. They're in a better position than either of us to gauge Congress.

                        No need to feel sorry for me. I'm not here illegally, and I get and would continue to get cheap labor from all those illegal aliens who think that legalizing will magically give them the skills or education to compete for better jobs. It won't. It really won't get them much of anything they don't already have. In fact, with 400,000 new "guest workers" each year (in addition to legalized illegals), their conditions are likely to get a lot worse. Wages and benefits are determined by the availability of labor, and if there's lots of it, labor has no negotiating power. In fact, this bill has a provision for 1.5 million agricultural workers which would make their ability to legalize dependent on them staying in agriculture, and not going to higher paying industries. What it might do is raise my taxes a little, to pay for their welfare, but hey, my kids aren't dropping out of school or joining gangs. And those that don't have regular jobs, and haven't had, or came after Jan 2004, would get deported anyway under this plan, as would those who are out of work for more than 60 days.

                        I do feel sorry for all the illegal aliens who are getting their hopes up yet again, and will see them dashed when the House shoots down any idea of amnesty. Without strong enforcement, there is no hope of getting an amnesty or a guest worker bill. Impasse. Keep dreaming on, just the way illegal aliens who have been here since missing the last amnesty have been. The ones who are now seeing their kids doing the same low-wage work that they are. The ones like the 20-something woman who came to this site a couple of years ago asking about amnesty because her parents had been promising it to her almost all her life. Manana. Or, as we say in Arabic, Bukra. Tomorrow.


                        • #42
                          One way or another the reform is coming this year !!!!

                          I am sorry for YOU.


                          • #43
                            The "one way or the other" is likely to be tighter borders and tighter laws, but NO AMNESTY and no guest worker program. THAT IS TRUE REFORM.

                            One way or the other, immigration reform IS coming, but it won't be what you apparently believe it will be. If you're here illegally, plan on it getting harder to live here. I am sorry for YOU.


                            • #44
                              forget your cannibalistic passions and images of how badly Good Samaritans , parents and spouses of USC would be punished by such draconian reform.
                              Just forget it.

                              What matters is this:
                              The Democrats are the ones who will truly celebrate draconian anti-immigrant reform.
                              You know why?
                              Because it will no longer be a question of whom to support among growing Hispanic segment of population when Tancredo (rather than Bush or Reagan) becomes the face of Republican party.

                              With Bush or Reagan Republicans can sure be winners.
                              With Tancredo Republicans will become a history.

                              Good Luck,


                              • #45
                                Actually, I believe the Democrats have orchestrated this whole thing in the Senate precisely to set themselves clearly apart from most Republicans. This makes them look good, but they're probably reasonably sure that this extreme bill will not pass the House. Since Republicans control both houses, guess who gets the "blame" for it failing?

                                The "growing Hispanic segment of population" has a couple of problems: most of them are illegal and can't vote, and many of them are too young to vote even if they were legal. Third and fourth problems: younger voters don't vote as much as older ones, and poor ones vote less than wealthier ones. Since Hispanics are younger and poorer than most Americans, you figure it out. They won't matter as voters for a couple of presidential elections, at least. Unless of course, they're replaced by another fast growing group, Asians, who are generally more able to immigrate legally because they have higher education and skills. Also, Hispanics are not monolithic and include many Hispanics-in-name only, such as my niece and nephews, who are counted as Hispanics for Census purposes (and probably affirmative action) but who don't speak Spanish and are competing directly with illegal aliens for jobs. Or have assimilated so much (all are married to nonHispanics) that they wouldn't identify as Hispanic anyway beyond what most people of Irish ancestry do on St. Paddy's Day.
                                Remember--Prop 200 got almost 50 percent of the Latino vote in Arizona.

                                The Republicans would never be able to hold on to the current crop of illegals anyway. This group needs massive social programs that Republicans are cutting, and are philosophically opposed to. Of course, if the war goes on, I guess they would make good cannon fodder, just as low-income people usually do, but I doubt that will play well with Latino voters.


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