Jealous of American Accents?

[E.]

[moondin]

I'm personally tired of EVERYONE finding it easy to blame the US for EVERYTHING.

Then...they turn around and want to MOVE here if given a chance, in a heartbeat.

It's easy to put the blame on the big guy. Go ahead. I'm still american and still gladly tell anyone who puts down my country to kindly have a cup of shut the f.uck up.

When people who aren't SUPPOSED to be here -- start *****ing as us, and our government. That's like the last straw.

-= nav =-

[Glühbirne]

When it comes down to it, every nation has its saints and its sinners. There aren't any more idiots in one country than there are in any other country.

I used to be extremely defensive about anti-Americanism. I took it very personally, especially when it was coming from Europeans. My time abroad, however, ultimately allowed me to come to grips with my own nationality. I'm an American, period. It's not always an easy thing to be. Sometimes just being what I am is controvercial, but there's no way I'm ever going to be able to change it, so I have come to accept it. For some reason beyond my own understanding, God made me an American. I know who I am, and I'm not going to let anyone tell me otherwise.

If someone decides to hate you for being who you are, it is that person's loss. The United States is a large, complex nation. It is an extremely "visible" country, which makes it an easy target. If Iceland were in the United State's position, than people would bitterly hate Icelanders. It is human nature to blame problems on others. Just like you blame problems on illegal aliens, Moondin, people around the world blame problems on us. Take a look in the mirror and worry about the blame games that YOU play before whining about those that others play.

[acelaw]

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Spain - Illegal Immigration
Broadcast: 18/07/2001

Reporter: Philip Williams

FINAL STORY
SERIES 11
EPISODE 3

Transcript

Every day people are dying, to reach Europe. The figures are hard to verify but it's estimated that around half a million people slip into Europe illegally every year. Many of them are brought by people smugglers, an increasingly lucrative trade that now rivals the drugs trade in size. Many other aspiring asylum seekers don't make it, crammed into leaky boats that are swamped by waves or run down by ships.

Philip Williams travels to the Strait of Gibraltar, the narrow strip of ocean separating Africa from Europe, where he meets illegal immigrants arriving at Tarifa, on the southem tip of Spain just across from Morocco. It's a popular tourist spot for wealthy Europeans, and it's also notorious for the corpses that regularly wash up on the beach or are found floating nearby. Some of the refugees tell Philip it's their fourth attempt to make it to Spain, while others who claim to be fleeing civil war in Siena Leone tell him they thought they were being taken to America.

Later on, as they unwrap their mobile phones from waterproof tape, Spanish sim cards already installed, it becomes clear they're part of a well organised people smuggling racket from Nigeria. Spanish authorities dump their human flotsam on the streets with no money, no papers and no rights, and order them to leave within forty days. None do, and their welfare is left to local charities. Those individuals who try to help risk prosecution ... it's against the law to help illegals.

The irony is that as Europe's population ages and becomes wealthier, it has to turn increasingly to foreign labour. According to UN figures, to keep its wotking-age population stable between now and 2050, the EU would need to import 1.6 million people. Illegal immigrants already form an important part of that labour pool, doing the dirty and badly-paid jobs that nobody else wants ... but they exist in a legal limbo, vulnerable to exploitation. The growing wealth gap between rich and poor countries, combined with a demand for cheap labour and the growth of the people trafficking industry means that the problem of illegal asylum seekers will only increase ... unless the West can come up with a better solution than a knee-**** response for short term political gain.

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Census 2000 results indicate that there between 8 and 11 million illegal aliens living in the United States in 2000. The Center for Immigration Studies has reported that Census Bureau stats show that 700,000 to 800,000 new illegal aliens were settling in the U.S. during the late 1990s and that around 1 million settled in the most recent year of record. Far more than that enter illegally each year, but there is a lot of back and forth. The 1 million represents illegals who truly settle in for at least a couple of years, and usually much, much longer.



posted April 06, 2004 12:47 PM
Spain receives as much illegal immigration as the US does... the problem the US has with Mexico they have with people crossing the river from Morocco, the difference they have another approach, the integrate people to society. They legalize them. They are just now making a new visa wherein a visitor can visit Spain for three months, and if it finds a job can get residency. It works for everybody

Census 2000 results indicate that there between 8 and 11 million illegal aliens living in the United States in 2000. The Center for Immigration Studies has reported that Census Bureau stats show that 700,000 to 800,000 new illegal aliens were settling in the U.S. during the late 1990s and that around 1 million settled in the most recent year of record. Far more than that enter illegally each year, but there is a lot of back and forth. The 1 million represents illegals who truly settle in for at least a couple of years, and usually much, much longer.

YOUR FULL OF S.H.I.T. Aguila BUT THEN ANYONE WHO GETS BEAT UP BY THERE X WIFE THEN HAS TO SUE UNDER
TRAIL TALK - OCTOBER 1997

ONE STEP FORWARD EQUALS TWO STEPS BACK: THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DEPORTATION GROUND.
By Barbara H. Lutes, Esq.
The statistics are chilling. In 1996, the Colorado Domestic Abuse Services received 28,554 crisis calls to their hot line. Over 7,000 women were turned away from their shelter because the shelter was full. (1) Similar statistics could be quoted for every state in the United States. Congress has reacted to these statistics by enacting legislation to protect the battered. One of the most recent pieces of legislation, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996("IIRAIRA"), contains measure designed to rid America of domestic violence perpetrators who are not United States citizens. It creates a new deportation ground that gives the Immigration and Naturalization Service the ability to instigate removal proceedings, (2) against non-United States citizen domestic violence offenders. This article sets forth the deportation ground and discusses the dangers inherent in the language of the statute and its interplay with local court procedures.

The domestic violence deportation ground is found in INA § 237(a)(2)(E), "Crimes of domestic violence, stalking, or violation of protection order, crimes against children and " (sic). It is divided between two sections, one for convictions for crimes of domestic violence, stalking and child abuse (3) and an other for violators of protection orders. (4) This deportation ground applies to convictions or violations of court orders occurring after the date of enactment of IIRAIRA, September 30, 1996. (5) There is no waiver for this deportation ground.

The basic deportation ground reads as follows: "Any alien who at any time after entry is convicted of a crime of domestic violence, a crime of stalking, or a crime of child abuse, child neglect or child abandonment is deportable. (6) The statue does not provide a definition for crimes of stalking,child abuse, child neglect or child abandonment. The parameters for these crimes will most likely be established through future litigation.

The statute provides definitional boundaries for a "crime of domestic violence." The statute first requires that qualifying crimes must be "crimes of violence." A "crime of violence" is defined for this section of the INA as the same as that found in section 16 of title 18, United States Code. (7) This includes any crime which:

Has as an element, the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another---or any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature involves a substantial risk that physical force -- may be used in the course of committing the offense.
For immigration purposes, the Board of Immigration Appeals has held that violence need not be an essential element of the offense for it to be considered a crime of violence. (8) The Board will determine whether violence inheres in the crime by the evaluating the category of crime rather than examining whether the respondent actually engaged in violence. This decision significantly broadens the pool of offenses for which a conviction will render an alien removable. Disturbing the peace, disturbing by telephone and property destruction can all become crimes of domestic violence under this law depending on who is involved in the incident leading to the arrest.

The INA attempts to define who the crime of violence must be perpetrated against for the crime to be considered a crime of domestic violence. To do this, the INA defines who the perpetrator must be. The crime must be committed by a current or former spouse or by a person who shares a child in common. In addition, the INA includes persons who have cohabited or are cohabiting with the person as a spouse or who are "similarly situated to a spouse of the person under the domestic violence of family violence laws of the jurisdiction where the offense occurs. (9) In addition, if the victim is protected from an individual's acts "under the domestic or family violence laws of the United States or any state, Indian tribal government, or unit of local government, (10) and that individual is convicted of a crime of violence against the protected party, the crime will be considered a crime of domestic violence for immigration purposes.

The domestic violence deportation ground requires that the alien have been "convicted" of the offense. IIRAIRA added a definition of conviction to the INA. A "conviction" for immigration purposes is a formal judgement of guilt of the alien by a court. (11) In cases where adjudication of guilt has been withheld, such as a deferred sentence or deferred judgment, an alien is deemed "convicted" for immigration purposes if he or she has entered a nolo contendre or guilty plea or admitted sufficient facts to warrant a finding of guilt and if the judge has ordered some form of punishment, penalty or restraint on the alien's liberty. In short, if an alien pleads guilty to an offense, the result will be a "conviction" for immigration purposes notwithstanding subsequent actions to remove the offense from the alien's record. (12)

Because of the complexity of the definition of a crime of domestic violence, a practitioner seeking to determine the immigration consequences of an alien's criminal record is required to analyze federal immigration law and criminal law. An analysis of the state, local or tribal law for the jurisdiction where the offense occurred is also required. The practitioner must determine first whether there was a "conviction" for immigration purposes. If so, the practitioner must determine if the offense is a crime of violence. Then the practitioner must determine if the requisite relationship exists to move the crime into the domestic violence sphere. The practitioner must also inquire into any protection orders that have been granted and under what statutory authority the orders were issued.

If a violence of a protection order led to a conviction for a crime of violence, the perpetrator falls under the crimes of domestic violence category. Independent from any conviction that may have occurred, an alien may be deportable if a court determines that he or she has engaged in conduct that violates a protection order that involves protection against "credible threats of violence, repeated harassment, or bodily injury to the person" for whom the protection order was issued. (13) A protection order is broadly defined as:

Any injunction issued for the purpose of preventing violent or threatening acts of domestic violence, including temporary or final orders issued by civil or criminal courts (other than child support or child custody orders or provisions) whether obtained by filing an independent action or as a pendente lite order in another proceeding. (14)
Neither the crimes of domestic violence provision nor the protection order violator provision require the imposition of a minimum sentence to confinement or probation or a minimum fine. Any conviction for a crime of domestic violence or finding that an alien violated a protection order will render an alien removable. In addition, there is no waiver set forth for this deportation ground. This is particularly dangerous because of the systemization of domestic violence programs sweeping metro Denver counties. Arapahoe, Jefferson and Douglas Counties have established "fast track" domestic violence programs aimed at bringing misdemeanor domestic violence cases to a swift conclusion. Under this program the offender and the accuser are required to appear at the courthouse on the morning after the arrest on domestic violence charges. At the courthouse, volunteers interview the victim about any history of violence in the home. The volunteer then presents the case to the prosecutors. The offender is encouraged to plead guilty. A deferred judgment is often offered with the condition that the offender will complete a counseling program and will not offend against. (15) This program is currently in effect in Jefferson County, Douglas County and the Arapahoe County courts in Littleton. The "fast track" procedures will soon be operating in all county courts in Aurora and Littleton.

Under the fast track program, it is unlikely that defendants will obtain legal counsel. Decisions regarding guilty pleas may be made before the immigration consequences can be determined. Aliens will likely be fearful of disclosing their immigration status and fail to understand that a guilty plea to a misdemeanor with a deferred judgment will render them removable. The common sentiment that "it's only a misdemeanor" and the mistaken belief that a deferred judgment will cause the conviction to be "wiped from the record" for immigration purposes will case many aliens to make poor decisions that will have lasting repercussions.

The domestic violence deportation ground also acts as a double-edged sword. On the one hand spouses of aliens who are aware of the repercussions of a conviction for domestic violence or a violation of a protection order may hesitate to call the police for fear that his or her partner will not only suffer criminal consequences but will also be removed from the United States. On the other hand, the domestic violence deportation ground also provides a powerful tool for U.S. citizens who falsely accuse their partners of domestic violence. Fast track court systems provide a sleek mechanism for creating a basis for the alien's removal from the United States.

The latest round of immigration legislation, found in IIRAIRA, is decidedly anti-immigrant. It is unfortunate that the domestic violence deportation ground was introduced in this legislation. It is only right that certain alien domestic violence offenders be removed from the United States. The caveat to this sentiment is that domestic violence perpetrators should be allowed the ability to take advantage of programs, such as Colorado's "men Overcoming Violent Encounters" (MOVE). Successful completion of a program and a clean record should protect an alien from removal proceedings. Current immigration laws have effectively eliminated any immigration benefit for rehabilitation.

The new law takes away the power of the court to distinguish between one-time offenders and pattern offenders. In effect, the deportation ground strips the court of its ability to administer justice and adjudicate guilt without creating further strife and hardship in the family by rendering the alien offender deportable. Colorado domestic violence criminal justice programs aim to aid families by swift intervention. This intervention is designed to hold offenders accountable and to encourage offenders to take the first step toward healthy behavior by admitting guilt and leaving denial behind. Unfortunately, the result may be that the offender's family may also be left behind after the alien is removed from the United States. In many cases, the result of the alien taking one important step forward will be that the alien's family is forced to take two steps back.

ENDNOTES
Colorado Domestic Abuse Services, 1996 Calendar Year Statistics Fact Sheet available from the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic Violence, Denver, Colorado.
IIRAIRA consolidated deportation and exclusion proceedings into one proceeding called "removal." Aliens are no longer deported or excluded; they are "removed" from the U.S. INA § 240. Within removal proceedings, aliens are inadmissible or deportable. If an alien is determined to be an applicant for admission, he or she is subject to the grounds of inadmissibility found in INA § 212. If an alien has been previously inspected and admitted, he or she is subject to the grounds of deportability found in INA § 237. The new domestic violence provision is a ground of deportability.
INA § 237(a)(2)(E)(i).
INA § 237(a)(2)(E)(ii).
IIRAIRA § 350(b).
INA § 237(a)(2)(E)(i).
Id.
Matter of Alcantar. 20I&N 801 (BIA 1994).
INA § 237(a)(2)(E)(i).
Id.
INA § 101(a)(48).
There are some remedies available to cure an alien's criminal record. Only the most extreme remedies, vacation of the sentence or expungement, have any hope of ameliorating the immigration consequences of a criminal conviction.
INA § 237(a)(2)(E)(ii).
Id.
Ginny McKibben, Domestic Violence Cases on Fast Track. Denver Post, Aug. 24, 1997, at 2B.
Barbara H. Lutes is an immigration lawyer with the firm of Robert G. Heiserman, P.C. The firm limits its practice to immigration law.

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[moondin]

>The close minded, racist pigs in this society!

You want to tell me WHERE I became RACIST?

>poor language like yours.

Poor language? Where's my POOR language? Care to cite some examples? What -- your friends and you debate in Shakespearean english or something? Want me to speak latin?

>with you on any subject! That tells a lot!

Maybe Jesus should've shut-up too, cuz if people don't agree with you - you're wrong. Right? Maybe Martin Luther King should've shut-up too. Maybe that's why so many people in 3rd world countries are sheep. They're afraid to stand up for what THEY believe in. Easier to just believe what others are saying. That's what makes AMERICANS UNIQUE baby.

When we feel we are right. We POUND THE FACTS.

When we feel we are being wronged. We POUND THE TABLE.

>Again, this shows how much of a racist you >really are.

How does saying white people are being made fun of is in reason RACIST? NAACP, which protects the rights of colored people is RACIST too using YOUR definition.

>But I do not ever want to come across a person >like you...

Plenty of people like me already. People who LOVE America and LOVE AMERICANS.

Live with it. Don't like it. LEAVE.

>I will NOT respond to you anymore.

Canada is that way. Keep going north til you hit a french creampuff..

-= nav =-

[Catherine J.]

I didn't put down all Americans, just your kind! The close minded, racist pigs in this society!

I have lots of great American friends who aren't anything like you! They can have a debate or disagreement without resulting in poor language like yours. That's why you seem to rub people the wrong way. Open your eyes, nobody here seems to agree with you on any subject! That tells a lot!

For the record, I don't spend 3 hours a day putting down Americans- stop putting words in my mouth- please!

Your quote: "Americans are like White people. Easy to make fun of and it's ALWAYS open season to pick on."

Again, this shows how much of a racist you really are.

Actually, I am on US soil, in the same city as you! But I do not ever want to come across a person like you... I only surround myself with respectul and classy people, which evidently, you are not.

Case closed- I will NOT respond to you anymore.

[moondin]

I find it DISGUSTING how soooo many people on this board LOVE to put down Americans.

You know what? If you don't like America or the people who live IN America -- then STAY THE F.UCK OUT!

I don't like in Taiwan. I don't plan on LIVING in Taiwan. But do you see me spending 3 hours a day putting down Taiwanese people?

Maybe YOU should get a life. Go stay with the rest of your frogs.

Americans are like White people. Easy to make fun of and it's ALWAYS open season to pick on.

Wanna make fun of me? I dare you to come on US soil and say it to my face.

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[Catherine J.]

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

I wouldn't expect you to agree or even comprehend this because you obviously fall into the category you just mentioned in your last post. Everyone can see that YOU are the prejudice one and don't like others to tell you like it is! You gave it away with your racist remarks on numerous occasions. You see Moodin, you bring out the ugliest in people.

Catherine

[moondin]

Typical foreigner attitude. Americans are stupid, have boring accents and bigoted.

So what have we learned?

If you put down foreigner accents -- that's okay and acceptable.

If you put down American accents -- that's acceptable and encouraged. Cuz Americans are dumb and need to be "saved" by immigrants.

If I find an immigrant who dared say stuff like that to my face. I'd knock 'em into tomorrow. Likewise, I would NEVER go to say England or another country and put THEM down. There is something called "respect" for the country you're in. I have enough respect when I'm in england NOT to insult them. I'm a guest there.

-= nav =-

[Catherine J.]

Moodin,

I'm French Canadian and I've never wished to have an American accent. It doesn't sound sophisticated like the English accent for instance, especially the southern accents, which most foreigners I know find very unappealing.

Personally, I can almost pass for an American since my French accent is almost undetectable (unlike Celine Dion's) but I wish I didn't have this generic American accent because when I have a conversation with someone, it makes my French heritage, which I'm proud of, sort of disappear.

I always find accents interesting because it basically implies that a person speaks more than one language, which is more than I can say for people like you Moodin (who is a perfect representative of the entirety of the unilingual American population).

We all know that a vast majority of Americans can't speak English without breaking grammar rules on a daily basis. Sometimes, I can't believe my ears when I hear what some natives are saying! English is their first and only language and they can't even speak or write it correctly! It's mind-boggling to me!

I agree with you on all your points Glühbirne! My father and husband are both Europeans and you are right, some (not all) really do dislike Americans because of the way they behave when they travel abroad. They make a mockery of the rest of the well-mannered, open-minded ones and that's a shame. Would it kill them to learn to say "hello" and "thank you" in a different language? Even a three year old could do that!

Catherine

[moondin]

btw: *HOW* do immigrants CREATE jobs may I ask?? I'm a business major so i can handle the fancy talk and formulas.

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[moondin]

>who would fill those jobs?

If you have SOOO many open jobs -- you guys ever thought about asking the world to immigrate? You know how many mexicans would LOVE to immigrate there? Chinese? Indians?

We got enough asylum applicants here we can throw your way. Walk the walk baby.

Oh, and you want a few hundred thousand somali's from canada who'll come and use up all your free health care and flood you with babies?

-= nav =-

[Aguila]

It works for Spain..., they create 700,000 jobs a year if they wouldn't get immigrants who would fill those jobs?

Spanish economy has grown so much in the last decade...and immigration has a lot to do with that.

[moondin]

>They legalize them

Looks good on paper -- but what happens is -- it encourages MORE people to come. You might as well make everyone in Morocco a citizen and get it over with.

Illegals aren't stupid. Give them more incentive to come -- and they'll take it.

-= nav =-

[Aguila]

Trust me you would miss 12 million of CONSUMERS!