DREAM Act to get one Last Push During Lame Duck Session

[4now]

Proud this is for you

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> School administrators say Ramirez has broken no rules by running for president of Associated Students Inc., because he never lied to the college about his status. In fact, when he discovered his position came with a $9,000 stipend, he declined knowing his status prevented him from legally working or receiving federal aid.

“He personally notified me and ASI advisers about his immigration status, and volunteered to serve without pay as president, since his status does not allow him to receive a paycheck,” said Cal State Fresno President John Welty in a statement.

Nevertheless, his critics are angry, and say he wasn’t honest with the student body about his immigration status when he ran for the position.

UCF’s College Republicans’ president Cole Rojewski, who ran against, and lost to, Ramirez during Student Body elections, said, ”He misled the students…he should step down.”

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Here is an instance where the legal person if they took the position would be getting the 9k. Here we have an illegal who should not have been allowed to run, and therefore is taking a position away from a legal resident. This is why we cannot allow illegals to compete in the education market or job market until they become legal. It is a fairness issue.

[ProudUSC]

Okay. We can discuss later. It's Friday and time for fun, not debate. Have a good one, all.

[4now]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Houston:
I asked you before, 4now, what about the parents?
<span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry. What is it you asked me about the parents other than that they should serve in the miliary to sponser a child for greencard, of which i agreed. and also pay an entrance fee for being able to do so.</span>


First, you want kids to apply, KNOWING they'll have to reveal information about the parents that will get them deported.


<span class="ev_code_RED">This is not any different than what the Dems are proposing now, yet you are in favor of that dream act bill .... correct?</span>
You want kids to go fight for a country that will deport their parents? You want them to fight for a country that thinks innocent kids are to blame?


<span class="ev_code_RED">Yes. why not. Our usa kids go fight for this country that imprisoned one or maybe two of their parents . What does that have to do with loyalty to country. They are taking a oath that is totally worthless and lip service. This is what you are saying. You dont believe in that oath any more than they will. embarrasing</span>

I know we all like the 2x1 deals specially now during the holidays, but this is 2 pay for what one did, kids and parents both pay for what the parents did.

Yeah right, would you?


<span class="ev_code_RED">At some point the kids are accountable. 19 They are subject to deportation just like their parents. Nobody wants to pay. that is the problem. Everybody wants freebies for them and for themselfes. justifiable stupidty is what it is.</span>

Back in the day, some people were "SENTENCED" to join and serve. But beyond that, what happens to the handicapped? What happens to those who can't serve because of a physical impediment?

<span class="ev_code_RED">If they dont qualify for military service, then this is not an available option. very simple</span>

Is this a nazi thing that will "pardon" only the physically fit?

<span class="ev_code_RED">Asl the people that proposed the dream act</span>

Don't give the kids in-state tuition. Ok, how's that not punitive? Why do you insist on blaming a kid for what he didn't do? I agree, don't cut them a check and don't give them a grant, but basic help, is that too much?

<span class="ev_code_RED">This is ridiculous. If an american kid has to pay out of state tutition because he does not live in that state, why should an illegal kid get a free ride Now that is punishment for american.
Yes in state tution is reserved for legal residents of that state. Those seats are and should rightly be protected. These kids are same as interantional students and tuition should be reflected as same. We are being american by letting them stay here without returning to country of origin to apply and have to be approved under guidelines set up by uscis standards.
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Again, this is about creating a system that's so tough only a handful will benefit from it, this is not about solving the problem, it's about creating some difficult process so we can all sit down and watch them suffer, that way we'll feel good about throwing them a visa at the end of the process. Sweet.


We are looking for those that are willing to fight for this country and to serve. Those who are willing to take advantage of the education services that will be free for them once they complete this task. You call this suffering? Americans "suffer" everday then. no one said it was going to be easy. You just want to give the barn away for free. Like I said before, poll these kids and I bet they will say no. We want the greencard, and everything else that americans have. no accountability attached to it. i bet they dont even want to pay tuition, or want their parents to have to pay tuition. Who is going to guarantee those loans they will be applying for... they will want to do some bull.**** community service to pay them back. You liberals are driving this country into the ground.

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[4now]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Okay. We can discuss later. It's Friday and time for fun, not debate. Have a good one, all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right.and now I am late for dinner

Have a good one everybody

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is ridiculous. If an american kid has to pay out of state tutition because he does not live in that state, why should an illegal kid get a free ride </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think anyone's talking about a free ride. Illegal kids shouldn't get in-state rates if they attend out-of-state schools either (if I am to understand you correctly). I also believe out-of-state tuition rates are punitive to American kids, but that's a whole different topic. Okay, have fun!

[Sprint_girl07]

4now, not read it all yet but there was something I read that I wanted to comment on.

About free school lunches.

Schools actually promote this to all parents. They encourage parents to apply, even if they don't want to use it. Many USC families are entitled to it but do not claim it, either due to pride, children prefer eating out, or not wanting anyone knowing their low income.

The schools get $$ for each applicant, whether they actually eat at school or not. Also they get extra funding in some way by other means, because a parent is under that scheme.

Some even apply, not to get the school dinners, but discounts in other places.

[The Stig]

dream wil trn into nitemre and gv the coyots all new ways to esploit. human trafikin will skyroket

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm ashamed to be even talking to a person like you. You're a disgusting Nazi sympathizer, and I want absolutely nothing to do with the likes of you. You're a disgusting human being. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a surprise. You don't like what someone says and call them a a Nazi? You are the unforgiving, disgusting one, IP. You never give anyone a second chance. What's up with that?

[SunDevilUSA]

The BadDREAM Act has no chance of passing.

[Someone12]

what a collection of weeping whining illegal alien dirtbag supporters....why in the world should we hand over green cards to children of slime? These families have been siphoning tax dollars away from America through the free education of their brats, falsifying medical problems to gain free medical care and stealing SS numbers to steal jobs from Americans...and we are supposed to reward this behavior by doling out residency to their offspring?
There should be a cost....a huge cost...how about this (oh weepers and whiners)...OK...we give your oldest irresponsible child a green card....but....the cost??? You, the parents and any other illegal children under 18 are deported the moment your son/daughter signs the papers...and, as an added bonus, the parents and remaining non-American children are permanently barred from EVER entering the US legally for the rest of their lives, without exception. So go ahead...take that green card, but wave goodbye to your family in the process...let's see how many selfish brats there are out there....

[Houston]

I want my last post here to count for something, so here it is.

DREAM Act is not just about immigration. In reality, it's a test for this society.

This is about separating those who might have done wrong from those who had no say in the matter; this is about basic, fundamental fairness. This is about what this country stands for and the very difference between right and wrong.

Making kids pay for something they had no say or control over is fundamentally unfair. This is about kids who love this country and whose only "sin" was being born on the wrong side of the fence. This is a test for all those who call themselves Christians, didn't He believe in forgiveness and fairness? This is a test for those who call for "personal responsibility", it's the parents who "did wrong", not the kids...

I'm not a political expert of any sort so I can't say what'll happen later this month if a vote is taken, although I can't imagine the bill becoming law before the year's out. But I do know one thing. Sooner or later, DREAM Act or a version of it will pass, and will become law, and justice will be done. Why? Because that's the nature of the American people.

Hunger is a powerful thing, fear, despair. It's very easy to judge, but nobody wants to be judged. Learn the stories, put yourselves in their shoes, try to imagine what it's like for the kids who have to pay the price for actions beyond their control at a time and place most can't even remember.

Hate kills and we're all digging our own grave. If you believe in the Bible or in Evolution, the facts are undisputed; we're all one and the same, related in some philosophical way. When we hate, we inflict pain and injury upon ourselves. It's time to look at this for what it really is. An act of justice, fairness and recognition of the basic principles this country has always stood for. Don't deny those who are innocent a future.

Beyond all the racism, beyond all the propaganda and the lies propagated by crooked politicians and hate groups, the American people will see through the smoke screen and will make DREAM Act a REALITY. Someday soon, it will happen and nothing can stop that.

DREAMs do come true, keep the faith.

[4now]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
4now, not read it all yet but there was something I read that I wanted to comment on.

About free school lunches.

Schools actually promote this to all parents. They encourage parents to apply, even if they don't want to use it. Many USC families are entitled to it but do not claim it, either due to pride, children prefer eating out, or not wanting anyone knowing their low income.

The schools get $$ for each applicant, whether they actually eat at school or not. Also they get extra funding in some way by other means, because a parent is under that scheme.

Some even apply, not to get the school dinners, but discounts in other places. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a federally funded program Sprint. This is my problem with it. Taxpayers pay for it. I dont know what you are speaking about when you say they get discounts in other places, as I never heard of that, Reduced school and free lunches do not require immigration status, and it is pretty much a giveaway of taxpayer monies. The dems even tried to attach a large $$ request onto the bailout for after school snack and feeding programs. Thankfully it was shot down as it was seen through that the main beneficiaries of that program were not lEGAL RESIdents or citizens.

Federal run programs like this should be under review to require status with soc sec numbers of parents.

[4now]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
I am disgusted with the people on this board, short of one.

But I'll succumb and respond to one item on the agenda of the Nazi sympathizer known as 4now.
Your solution to kids under the age of 18 is 'nothing', same as now - let them remain illegal. What kind of a solution is this?



<span class="ev_code_RED">UM.. Pls tell me exactly why an illegal child under the age of 18 needs to be given status? There is no crisis for them. What they need a job, Oh perhaps they need to travel with their illegal parents maybe.... get a grip , status is only needed when they turn adult age when in jeopordy of being removed you dip.twit.</span>



You're not interested in solutions, 4never, not now not ever.


<span class="ev_code_RED">I offer viable and reasonable solutions, you are just not interested in them because you want free!</span>

Nothing offered whatsoever, no help in tuition, and of course no right to work before entering the military service.



<span class="ev_code_RED">Of course not. The incentive is to EARN it. Why should government and state resources help foreign persons ? Just why would these resources that are reserved for legal residents and citizens be used up?</span>

How do you imagine they are going to be able to pay all the required fees, and the out of state tuition?
With the manna from heaven?


<span class="ev_code_RED">Well, just like any other college student, from their parents. Make the parents pay... Oh I forgot, this is punishment by making the parents pay right So much better that taxpayers should foot the bill </span>

I'm ashamed to be even talking to a person like you. You're a disgusting Nazi sympathizer, and I want absolutely nothing to do with the likes of you. You're a disgusting human being.


<span class="ev_code_RED">You should be ashamed of being an illegal A$$ in this country mooching of our society and asking for moochies for other illegals whether it is their fault or not.

Somebody has to pay and it should not be usa taxpayers that want futures for their own legal children. Let us get the priorities straight here.</span>
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[Sprint_girl07]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4now:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
4now, not read it all yet but there was something I read that I wanted to comment on.

About free school lunches.

Schools actually promote this to all parents. They encourage parents to apply, even if they don't want to use it. Many USC families are entitled to it but do not claim it, either due to pride, children prefer eating out, or not wanting anyone knowing their low income.

The schools get $$ for each applicant, whether they actually eat at school or not. Also they get extra funding in some way by other means, because a parent is under that scheme.

Some even apply, not to get the school dinners, but discounts in other places. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a federally funded program Sprint. This is my problem with it. Taxpayers pay for it. I dont know what you are speaking about when you say they get discounts in other places, as I never heard of that, Reduced school and free lunches do not require immigration status, and it is pretty much a giveaway of taxpayer monies. The dems even tried to attach a large $$ request onto the bailout for after school snack and feeding programs. Thankfully it was shot down as it was seen through that the main beneficiaries of that program were not lEGAL RESIdents or citizens.

Federal run programs like this should be under review to require status with soc sec numbers of parents. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I know it is Federally funded, that is why schools promote it and want parents to sign up for it, even if they don't eat at school.
Schools want the extra funding, to them it's more $, no matter how they get it.

They also get extra funding for x amount of low income families at the school.

People who sign up for it, they can get free tests for their children at school, like ACT etc...and can get discounts in variety of things.

Parents can also get discounts from a number of things, for example, have you seen that commercial for a phone for $1 a month or whatever it is? Anybody who has one of the..TANF, SS, or Free school lunches can get it for that price.
You don't have to be on social, as long as you receive the free school lunch program, you can get discounts or help in other ways.

My son's school for example, sends out automated phone calls to all parents, reminding them about the free school lunch program, and promotes it in a big way. And yes you are right, anybody, regardless of status can apply for it, but they do ask you a variety of questions to get it, including SS#.

Mind you, there are no illegals in my son's school, most illegals were run out of this State.