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    DEEPER INSIGHT INTO THE MINDS OF ANTI-IMMIGRANTS: YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK TO BETTER GRASP
    WHAT ALL THIS HATRED TOWARDS THE IMMIGRANTS IS ALL ABOUT.

    ____________________________________________

    "The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
    What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity..."



    http://www.fns.org.uk/ac.htm


    THE ANTICHRIST

    by Friedrich Nietzsche
    Published 1895

    translation by H.L. Mencken
    Published 1920




    PREFACE
    This book belongs to the most rare of men. Perhaps not one of them is yet alive. It is possible that they may be among those who understand my "Zarathustra": how could I confound myself with those who are now sprouting ears?--First the day after tomorrow must come for me. Some men are born posthumously.

    The conditions under which any one understands me, and necessarily understands me--I know them only too well. Even to endure my seriousness, my passion, he must carry intellectual integrity to the verge of hardness. He must be accustomed to living on mountain tops--and to looking upon the wretched gabble of politics and nationalism as beneath him. He must have become indifferent; he must never ask of the truth whether it brings profit to him or a fatality to him... He must have an inclination, born of strength, for questions that no one has the courage for; the courage for the forbidden; predestination for the labyrinth. The experience of seven solitudes. New ears for new music. New eyes for what is most distant. A new conscience for truths that have hitherto remained unheard. And the will to economize in the grand manner--to hold together his strength, his enthusiasm...Reverence for self; love of self; absolute freedom of self.....

    Very well, then! of that sort only are my readers, my true readers, my readers foreordained: of what account are the rest?--The rest are merely humanity.--One must make one's self superior to humanity, in power, in loftiness of soul,--in contempt.

    FRIEDRICH W. NIETZSCHE.

    1.
    --Let us look each other in the face. We are Hyperboreans--we know well enough how remote our place is. "Neither by land nor by water will you find the road to the Hyperboreans": even Pindar1,in his day, knew that much about us. Beyond the North, beyond the ice, beyond death--our life, our happiness...We have discovered that happiness; we know the way; we got our knowledge of it from thousands of years in the labyrinth. Who else has found it?--The man of today?--"I don't know either the way out or the way in; I am whatever doesn't know either the way out or the way in"--so sighs the man of today...This is the sort of modernity that made us ill,--we sickened on lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous dirtiness of the modern Yea and Nay. This tolerance and largeur of the heart that "forgives" everything because it "understands" everything is a sirocco to us. Rather live amid the ice than among modern virtues and other such south-winds! . . . We were brave enough; we spared neither ourselves nor others; but we were a long time finding out where to direct our courage. We grew dismal; they called us fatalists. Our fate--it was the fulness, the tension, the storing up of powers. We thirsted for the lightnings and great deeds; we kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from "resignation" . . . There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast--for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal...

    2.
    What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
    What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness.
    What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
    Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
    The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
    What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity...

    3.
    The problem that I set here is not what shall replace mankind in the order of living creatures (--man is an end--): but what type of man must be bred, must be willed, as being the most valuable, the most worthy of life, the most secure guarantee of the future.

    This more valuable type has appeared often enough in the past: but always as a happy accident, as an exception, never as deliberately willed. Very often it has been precisely the most feared; hitherto it has been almost the terror of terrors ;--and out of that terror the contrary type has been willed, cultivated and attained: the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .

    4.
    Mankind surely does not represent an evolution toward a better or stronger or higher level, as progress is now understood. This "progress" is merely a modern idea, which is to say, a false idea. The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening.

    True enough, it succeeds in isolated and individual cases in various parts of the earth and under the most widely different cultures, and in these cases a higher type certainly manifests itself; something which, compared to mankind in the mass, appears as a sort of superman. Such happy strokes of high success have always been possible, and will remain possible, perhaps, for all time to come. Even whole races, tribes and nations may occasionally represent such lucky accidents.

    5.
    We should not deck out and embellish Christianity: it has waged a war to the death against this higher type of man, it has put all the deepest instincts of this type under its ban, it has developed its concept of evil, of the Evil One himself, out of these instincts--the strong man as the typical reprobate, the "outcast among men." Christianity has taken the part of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of antagonism to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. The most lamentable example: the corruption of Pascal, who believed that his intellect had been destroyed by original sin, whereas it was actually destroyed by Christianity!--

    6.
    It is a painful and tragic spectacle that rises before me: I have drawn back the curtain from the rottenness of man. This word, in my mouth, is at least free from one suspicion: that it involves a moral accusation against humanity. It is used--and I wish to emphasize the fact again--without any moral significance: and this is so far true that the rottenness I speak of is most apparent to me precisely in those quarters where there has been most aspiration, hitherto, toward "virtue" and "godliness." As you probably surmise, I understand rottenness in the sense of decadence: my argument is that all the values on which mankind now fixes its highest aspirations are decadence-values.

    I call an animal, a species, an individual corrupt, when it loses its instincts, when it chooses, when it prefers, what is injurious to it. A history of the "higher feelings," the "ideals of humanity"--and it is possible that I'll have to write it--would almost explain why man is so degenerate. Life itself appears to me as an instinct for growth, for survival, for the accumulation of forces, for power: whenever the will to power fails there is disaster. My contention is that all the highest values of humanity have been emptied of this will--that the values of decadence, of nihilism, now prevail under the holiest names.

    7.
    Christianity is called the religion of pity.-- Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. Through pity that drain upon strength which suffering works is multiplied a thousandfold. Suffering is made contagious by pity; under certain circumstances it may lead to a total sacrifice of life and living energy--a loss out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (--the case of the death of the Nazarene). This is the first view of it; there is, however, a still more important one. If one measures the effects of pity by the gravity of the reactions it sets up, its character as a menace to life appears in a much clearer light. Pity thwarts the whole law of evolution, which is the law of natural selection. It preserves whatever is ripe for destruction; it fights on the side of those disinherited and condemned by life; by maintaining life in so many of the botched of all kinds, it gives life itself a gloomy and dubious aspect. Mankind has ventured to call pity a virtue (--in every superior moral system it appears as a weakness--); going still further, it has been called the virtue, the source and foundation of all other virtues--but let us always bear in mind that this was from the standpoint of a philosophy that was nihilistic, and upon whose shield the denial of life was inscribed. Schopenhauer was right in this: that by means of pity life is denied, and made worthy of denial--pity is the technic of nihilism. Let me repeat: this depressing and contagious instinct stands against all those instincts which work for the preservation and enhancement of life: in the role of protector of the miserable, it is a prime agent in the promotion of decadence--pity persuades to extinction....Of course, one doesn't say "extinction": one says "the other world," or "God," or "the true life," or Nirvana, salvation, blessedness.... This innocent rhetoric, from the realm of religious-ethical balderdash, appears a good deal less innocent when one reflects upon the tendency that it conceals beneath sublime words: the tendency to destroy life. Schopenhauer was hostile to life: that is why pity appeared to him as a virtue. . . . Aristotle, as every one knows, saw in pity a sickly and dangerous state of mind, the remedy for which was an occasional purgative: he regarded tragedy as that purgative. The instinct of life should prompt us to seek some means of puncturing any such pathological and dangerous accumulation of pity as that appearing in Schopenhauer's case (and also, alack, in that of our whole literary decadence, from St. Petersburg to Paris, from Tolstoi to Wagner), that it may burst and be discharged. . . Nothing is more unhealthy, amid all our unhealthy modernism, than Christian pity. To be the doctors here, to be unmerciful here, to wield the knife here--all this is our business, all this is our sort of humanity, by this sign we are philosophers, we Hyperboreans !--

  • #2
    DEEPER INSIGHT INTO THE MINDS OF ANTI-IMMIGRANTS: YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK TO BETTER GRASP
    WHAT ALL THIS HATRED TOWARDS THE IMMIGRANTS IS ALL ABOUT.

    ____________________________________________

    "The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
    What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity..."



    http://www.fns.org.uk/ac.htm


    THE ANTICHRIST

    by Friedrich Nietzsche
    Published 1895

    translation by H.L. Mencken
    Published 1920




    PREFACE
    This book belongs to the most rare of men. Perhaps not one of them is yet alive. It is possible that they may be among those who understand my "Zarathustra": how could I confound myself with those who are now sprouting ears?--First the day after tomorrow must come for me. Some men are born posthumously.

    The conditions under which any one understands me, and necessarily understands me--I know them only too well. Even to endure my seriousness, my passion, he must carry intellectual integrity to the verge of hardness. He must be accustomed to living on mountain tops--and to looking upon the wretched gabble of politics and nationalism as beneath him. He must have become indifferent; he must never ask of the truth whether it brings profit to him or a fatality to him... He must have an inclination, born of strength, for questions that no one has the courage for; the courage for the forbidden; predestination for the labyrinth. The experience of seven solitudes. New ears for new music. New eyes for what is most distant. A new conscience for truths that have hitherto remained unheard. And the will to economize in the grand manner--to hold together his strength, his enthusiasm...Reverence for self; love of self; absolute freedom of self.....

    Very well, then! of that sort only are my readers, my true readers, my readers foreordained: of what account are the rest?--The rest are merely humanity.--One must make one's self superior to humanity, in power, in loftiness of soul,--in contempt.

    FRIEDRICH W. NIETZSCHE.

    1.
    --Let us look each other in the face. We are Hyperboreans--we know well enough how remote our place is. "Neither by land nor by water will you find the road to the Hyperboreans": even Pindar1,in his day, knew that much about us. Beyond the North, beyond the ice, beyond death--our life, our happiness...We have discovered that happiness; we know the way; we got our knowledge of it from thousands of years in the labyrinth. Who else has found it?--The man of today?--"I don't know either the way out or the way in; I am whatever doesn't know either the way out or the way in"--so sighs the man of today...This is the sort of modernity that made us ill,--we sickened on lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous dirtiness of the modern Yea and Nay. This tolerance and largeur of the heart that "forgives" everything because it "understands" everything is a sirocco to us. Rather live amid the ice than among modern virtues and other such south-winds! . . . We were brave enough; we spared neither ourselves nor others; but we were a long time finding out where to direct our courage. We grew dismal; they called us fatalists. Our fate--it was the fulness, the tension, the storing up of powers. We thirsted for the lightnings and great deeds; we kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from "resignation" . . . There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast--for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal...

    2.
    What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
    What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness.
    What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
    Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
    The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
    What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity...

    3.
    The problem that I set here is not what shall replace mankind in the order of living creatures (--man is an end--): but what type of man must be bred, must be willed, as being the most valuable, the most worthy of life, the most secure guarantee of the future.

    This more valuable type has appeared often enough in the past: but always as a happy accident, as an exception, never as deliberately willed. Very often it has been precisely the most feared; hitherto it has been almost the terror of terrors ;--and out of that terror the contrary type has been willed, cultivated and attained: the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick brute-man--the Christian. . .

    4.
    Mankind surely does not represent an evolution toward a better or stronger or higher level, as progress is now understood. This "progress" is merely a modern idea, which is to say, a false idea. The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening.

    True enough, it succeeds in isolated and individual cases in various parts of the earth and under the most widely different cultures, and in these cases a higher type certainly manifests itself; something which, compared to mankind in the mass, appears as a sort of superman. Such happy strokes of high success have always been possible, and will remain possible, perhaps, for all time to come. Even whole races, tribes and nations may occasionally represent such lucky accidents.

    5.
    We should not deck out and embellish Christianity: it has waged a war to the death against this higher type of man, it has put all the deepest instincts of this type under its ban, it has developed its concept of evil, of the Evil One himself, out of these instincts--the strong man as the typical reprobate, the "outcast among men." Christianity has taken the part of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of antagonism to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. The most lamentable example: the corruption of Pascal, who believed that his intellect had been destroyed by original sin, whereas it was actually destroyed by Christianity!--

    6.
    It is a painful and tragic spectacle that rises before me: I have drawn back the curtain from the rottenness of man. This word, in my mouth, is at least free from one suspicion: that it involves a moral accusation against humanity. It is used--and I wish to emphasize the fact again--without any moral significance: and this is so far true that the rottenness I speak of is most apparent to me precisely in those quarters where there has been most aspiration, hitherto, toward "virtue" and "godliness." As you probably surmise, I understand rottenness in the sense of decadence: my argument is that all the values on which mankind now fixes its highest aspirations are decadence-values.

    I call an animal, a species, an individual corrupt, when it loses its instincts, when it chooses, when it prefers, what is injurious to it. A history of the "higher feelings," the "ideals of humanity"--and it is possible that I'll have to write it--would almost explain why man is so degenerate. Life itself appears to me as an instinct for growth, for survival, for the accumulation of forces, for power: whenever the will to power fails there is disaster. My contention is that all the highest values of humanity have been emptied of this will--that the values of decadence, of nihilism, now prevail under the holiest names.

    7.
    Christianity is called the religion of pity.-- Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. Through pity that drain upon strength which suffering works is multiplied a thousandfold. Suffering is made contagious by pity; under certain circumstances it may lead to a total sacrifice of life and living energy--a loss out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (--the case of the death of the Nazarene). This is the first view of it; there is, however, a still more important one. If one measures the effects of pity by the gravity of the reactions it sets up, its character as a menace to life appears in a much clearer light. Pity thwarts the whole law of evolution, which is the law of natural selection. It preserves whatever is ripe for destruction; it fights on the side of those disinherited and condemned by life; by maintaining life in so many of the botched of all kinds, it gives life itself a gloomy and dubious aspect. Mankind has ventured to call pity a virtue (--in every superior moral system it appears as a weakness--); going still further, it has been called the virtue, the source and foundation of all other virtues--but let us always bear in mind that this was from the standpoint of a philosophy that was nihilistic, and upon whose shield the denial of life was inscribed. Schopenhauer was right in this: that by means of pity life is denied, and made worthy of denial--pity is the technic of nihilism. Let me repeat: this depressing and contagious instinct stands against all those instincts which work for the preservation and enhancement of life: in the role of protector of the miserable, it is a prime agent in the promotion of decadence--pity persuades to extinction....Of course, one doesn't say "extinction": one says "the other world," or "God," or "the true life," or Nirvana, salvation, blessedness.... This innocent rhetoric, from the realm of religious-ethical balderdash, appears a good deal less innocent when one reflects upon the tendency that it conceals beneath sublime words: the tendency to destroy life. Schopenhauer was hostile to life: that is why pity appeared to him as a virtue. . . . Aristotle, as every one knows, saw in pity a sickly and dangerous state of mind, the remedy for which was an occasional purgative: he regarded tragedy as that purgative. The instinct of life should prompt us to seek some means of puncturing any such pathological and dangerous accumulation of pity as that appearing in Schopenhauer's case (and also, alack, in that of our whole literary decadence, from St. Petersburg to Paris, from Tolstoi to Wagner), that it may burst and be discharged. . . Nothing is more unhealthy, amid all our unhealthy modernism, than Christian pity. To be the doctors here, to be unmerciful here, to wield the knife here--all this is our business, all this is our sort of humanity, by this sign we are philosophers, we Hyperboreans !--

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    • #3
      Up !

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      • #4
        Ahhhhh Nietzsche! Hitler's favourite philosopher!

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        • #5
          Ahhhhh Nietzsche! Hitler's favourite philosopher!
          Exactly !

          And it's no other than WOTAN (and Neitzsche, and Wagner and Co.) who motivates today's extreme anti-immigrants.

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          • #6
            This is old news, everyone knows that HATE is what motivates the extremist anti-immigrants group...They all says that they dont want undocumented migrants here because they take jobs from americans, but if you look closely, you'll notice that the unemployment rate is at its lowest in years because of job creations.

            They claim that migrants depresses the wages, but if businesses stared paying $15 an hour, to just clean hotel rooms, then they would all go out of business.

            They claim that they want undocumented migrants, out of the counry because of security reason(9/11), but they failed to realize that the high jackers werent mexicans, which are the main groups they want to deport...The high jackers did not enter the US from the southern border, bu they all entered the US throught Canada.

            They also failed to realized that a guest worker, would in fact secure our country better because it will pull out, all those people that live in the shadow and force them to register their name, so that our goverment knows who they are and who are trying to blow us all....

            Those haters also failed to comprehend that, trying to deport 11 millions people, is not possible and will be violating human rights by breaking millions of millions of families and some will be forced to leave their US citizens kids behind because it will be better for the kids to stay in the US then leaving with them to a third world country with no hope.

            Those haters fails to realize that you can not ask churches and community service workers, that they have to check someone's immigration status before giving them some food and water.
            This is why 99.9% of churches all across america have already stated that hey will never obey to such a law that requires hem to check the status of anyone that needs some food and water..Jesus never ask the needy for papers before helping them.

            I beleive that most anti-immigrants human being, are in fact racists.

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            • #7
              HATERS always defeat their cause by their actions.

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              • #8
                Albatross--The "unemployment rate" isn't what matters. That only picks up those people who are still eligible for unemployment benefits. When those run out in about a year, the unemployed aren't picked up in those statistics. What you should look at is the percentage of potential labor force that's employed, what's called labor participation. That's gone down. The "unemployment rate" doesn't pick up discouraged workers who've given up looking for jobs because they've been turned down for literally years. It doesn't pick up people who are underemployed--the software engineer, for example, who now sells computers at Best Buy.

                As for expensive hotel rooms--better that the people who are using the hotel rooms pay for the cost of cleaning them, than the taxpayer who gets stuck with picking up the tab for the medical costs, education, and so on of illegal workers and their families. There is no right to continue in business, if one can't do it legally.

                Nor is it a "human right" to live in this country. Anyone who is deported may take his or her U.S. born children with them, or find suitable caretakers for them here. That's their choice. Living here is a CIVIC right, not a human one. Life itself is a human right, not where it is lived.

                As for churches, the problem isn't giving people food and water. The problem is with churches who set up (and use taxpayer dollars to do it, too) day labor centers to help illegal aliens get jobs that it's illegal for them to hold. The problem is with do-gooders who help illegal aliens rent apartments rather than giving them temporary shelter and a bus ticket home.

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                • #9
                  We've heard it all before
                  (repeat 12 times)

                  Chorus:

                  We don't wanna hear
                  We don't wanna know
                  Please don't say you're not fascists
                  We heard it all before
                  And we can take care of ourselves
                  We don't wanna hear
                  We don't wanna know
                  Please don't say you are not Nazis
                  We've seen it all before
                  And we can't take it anymore

                  You're not half the super-men you think you are
                  Save your words because you've gone too far
                  We listened to your lies and all your stories [We listened to your stories]
                  You're not half the super-men you'd like to be


                  (chorus)


                  Don't explain yourself 'cause talk is cheap
                  There's more important things than hearing you speak
                  You do it because we made it so convenient [we made it so convenient]
                  Don't explain yourself, you'll never see

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                  • #10
                    "Section 8 - Powers of Congress

                    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

                    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

                    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

                    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;"

                    I guess illegal aliens just have no conception of respect for the law--unless it's to their benefit, such as an amnesty.

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                    • #11
                      The subject matter here is not "Powers of Congress" nor is it "illegal aliens have no conception of respect for the law".

                      There are 11 millions illegal aliens - AT LEAST - and each individual circumstance may be different from the other.

                      But to mix them ALL INTO ONE and then 24/7 bash and SCAPEGOAT THEM ALL - EN MASSE - now this is what the FASCISM is all about !

                      FASCISM has no regard for INDIVIDUAL or INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES.


                      FASCISM is like TSUNAMI, like HURRICANE - it has no Mind, it has no Intellect , it has NO regard for Human Life AT ALL !

                      FASCISM is very DANGEROUS occurence and shall be uncovered under whatever disguise it tries to present itself.

                      DOWN WITH FASCISTS !

                      LONG LIVE FREE USA !

                      _____________________________________________


                      "Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances "” every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task".

                      Umberto Eco (c) 1995

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                      • #12
                        Albatross certainly seems to think your post was about illegal aliens, and that he has a free pass to choose what he wants to emphasize. That's who I responded to. I chose to emphasize respect for the law as why we object to illegal aliens.

                        As for your comments on fascism, they apply to illegal aliens. So, no amnesty. No "guest worker" program. That gives everyone a free pass regardless of their personal circumstances. What all of them have in common, however, is that they have broken our laws, are continuing to do so, and deserve punishment for it, as do their employers. The employers especially. What that punishment is should be decided by individual cases.

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                        • #13
                          DEEPER INSIGHT INTO THE MINDS OF ANTI-IMMIGRANTS - that's what the threadline of this post stands for.

                          And in OP I quoted several chapters from Neitzsche's "ANTICHRIST".

                          I think this book is a MUST READ for ANYONE who wants to get a deeper insight into what is at the ROOTS and what is the ESSENCE of FASCISM and NAZISM.


                          I also observe that you are the FASCIST by definition, Aliba.

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                          • #14
                            On the contrary, AntiFascist--it is YOU who are fascist by the definition you yourself gave IF you believe that all illegal aliens should receive an amnesty. That ignores individual circumstances.

                            As I have said all along, ad nauseam, I favor enforcement of the laws over time, and especially of the laws against employers, which allows for attrition. It also allows for people who have claims to work their way through the system. Mass deportations (which I have never supported and don't believe would work) don't allow for individual circumstances, and neither does amnesty or a "guest worker" program.

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                            • #15
                              To reverse the thread, Antifascist--Just what is in the mind of a pro-illegal-immigrationist that believes it's perfectly OK for anyone at all to come to this country illegally, or violate its laws by overstaying?

                              I seem to recall that the archetype fascists the Germans did this with Poland and Czechoslavakia. What makes illegal aliens any different? The fact that they don't wear uniforms? (That ignores, of course, the incursions on our southern border by gangs wearing Mexican military uniforms, or something very similar, possibly in defense of drug runners and the like.)

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