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    Hope is lost for millions of immigrants and their families due to yesterday's vote.
    How does anyone feel about the DREAM Act which would help illegal students become legal? Does anyone feel that the DREAM Act has a better chance to pass?

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    Hope is lost for millions of immigrants and their families due to yesterday's vote.
    How does anyone feel about the DREAM Act which would help illegal students become legal? Does anyone feel that the DREAM Act has a better chance to pass?

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    • #3
      If DREAM Act was considered as a standalone measure, it would have high probability of passing in Senate (many opponents of CIR have been strongly supportive of DREAM Act for years), and passing it through the House wouldn't be too difficult afterwards.

      Another way of passing it is to attach it to one or another "must pass", omnibus bill.

      Whether or not it will happen in this Congress remains to be seen.

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      • #4
        WAKE UP FROM YOUR DREAM!!!! The immigration reform legislation failed because in the end it was considered amnesty and the majority of voters just don't want amnesty for illegals.

        Do you really think something which legalizes illegals like the DREAM act stands a chance?

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        • #5
          What about the Cuban adjustment? That's clear and evident amnesty, it has been in the books for a quite a few years now and nobody seems to care.

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          • #6
            Sugarpuff,

            a lot of Senators who vehemently opposed CIR were very supportive of DREAM Act, and were so for years. It even passed ,with overwhelming majority, the then Republican controlled SJC and the Bill itself had more than enough sponsors and supporters to pass the entire Senate.
            It would probably been signed into Law by now (or at least would have passed the Senate with bi-partisan majority of votes) , had not some foolish students rush to demonstrate in front of the private residence of Karl Row, who afterwards complained about a noise and crowd that had frightened his family.

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            • #7
              2 things have changed: 1. Amnesty has now become the buzz 2. The economy (via the housing market) is in decline.

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              • #8
                Sugarpuff do u even know what the DREAM Act is?

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                • #9
                  I don't agree that "amnesty" has now become the buzz, unless definition of "now" stretches 10 to 15 years back.

                  Economy is not necessarily in decline either, the sub-prime mortgage industry is.

                  In general, I oppose granting amnesty to illegal aliens because, as self-evident, it rewards law-breakers and subsequently contributes to moral corruption of society.
                  And what could have greater negative impact than moral corruption of society?

                  Illegal aliens, imo, like everyone else, should be rendered their due for violating the law governing the orderly admission of foreigners and just because someone was brought as an infant and spent all of his or her life here doesn't entitle him or her to amnesty and great privilege of Citizenship.

                  Unfortunately, bi-partisan majority of Senators don't share this view when it comes to young adults who were brought here as infants, therefore a possibility (though a remote one) remains that this Act could be revived and passed in Senate. And that is what my initial responce to OP implied.

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RationalE:
                    If DREAM Act was considered as a standalone measure, it would have high probability of passing in Senate (many opponents of CIR have been strongly supportive of DREAM Act for years), and passing it through the House wouldn't be too difficult afterwards.

                    Another way of passing it is to attach it to one or another "must pass", omnibus bill.

                    Whether or not it will happen in this Congress remains to be seen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    I don't think the Congressional proceedural rules allow for passage of certain bills like the Dream Act to be part of the omnibus appropriations bill. It is too big to be a rider amendment and the only omnibus bill it could attach is the one with Department of Homeland Security or Department of Education. Any expenditures for the bill will have to come out of those budgets and they are stretched as it is.
                    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                    • #11
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't think the Congressional proceedural rules allow for passage of certain bills like the Dream Act to be part of the omnibus appropriations bill. It is too big to be a rider amendment and the only omnibus bill it could attach is the one with Department of Homeland Security or Department of Education. Any expenditures for the bill will have to come out of those budgets and they are stretched as it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      This is something that people who have direct interest in passage of DREAM Act (myself excluded) should take their time, do their research (whether or not it can be attached to one ot another omnibus bill or stands better chance to pass as a standalone measure) and lobby their congressmen accordingly.

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                      • #12
                        Desperate and naive student: Do you really think that the public will differentiate between amnesty and the DREAM act? Have you paid any attention to the on-going debate or have you decided that the DREAM act can never be called amnesty because it is somehow more noble in nature?

                        It is quite clear that the DREAM act is going nowhere because it will be interpreted (right or wrong) as amnesty. Get your head out of the sand.

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