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    Since many people are asking where they can find update on the recent immigration debates I will post links to places where you can find out whats going on.

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    Since many people are asking where they can find update on the recent immigration debates I will post links to places where you can find out whats going on.


    • #3
      Thanks Antivirus


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        Here is a new update. Hope this picks up speed and gets something done.


        • #5
          So far everything goes as I projected.


          • #6
            <<Undocumented workers fill one out of every four agricultural jobs>>
            What Americans would eat if you deport all of them?

            <<17 percent of all office and house cleaning positions>>
            How dirty your stores, streets, towns and houses would be without them??

            <<14 percent of construction jobs>>
            25% of houses would not have been build or their prices would go up about 50%!

            <<12 percent of those who work in food preparation>>
            Who would feed the Americans if 20% restaurants had been closed and 20% of food factories shut down? There would be hunger in US or disaster without those people who were denied working in US legally?


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              • #8
                Never understood why sen.clinton kept so quiet about he immigration debate since her state is very pro immigration and guest worker permit...I was kind of afraid that she would break out of the party support for immigrants and be anti immigrants..but anyway, glad to see she has finally shown her cards.


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                  • #10

                    This is a very good sign.


                    • #11
                      Maria--Who do you think fed us BEFORE illegal aliens?

                      Did you happen to catch who won the $365 million lottery? Five citizens and 3 legal immigrants who worked in meat packing! Doing those jobs illegal aliens just won't do, I suppose.


                      • #12

                        there is not going to be and can not be "Guest Worker" program passed this year or even the next year.

                        Take a large , massive sphere and push it strongly in one or another way on ideally flat surface and let it roll.
                        Now, can you expect it to stop or change its' direction suddenly , unless it runs out of the energy (momentum & velocity) that has been given to it, or affected by other object?

                        There is a large, massive "current" , a "tide" that is not in favor of immigrants right now.

                        Many various forces/reasons contributed to it: the impact of 1965 Immigration Act (that has canceled much of McCarran-Walter Act ), highly increased level of unregulated migration in last 15 years, crime and gang violence on the Mexican border , 9/11 terrorist attacks, overstretched emergency medical care industry, a lot of fiscal burden on border States and so on.

                        As a result what we witness now is organisations such as FAIR US dictating the laws that should be passed, and they are able to do that (even though they represent minority of American public), because majority of Americans feel rather divided by opposing feelings and therefore can't voice an opinion as decisevly and loudly as FAIR US and Numbers US does.

                        An average American may disagree with jailing and deporting an individual nanny or grass-cutter or father/mother of US Citizen that they personally know of, but he/she at the same time will be reluctant or unable to say exactly what they think should be done to 11 million people taken together as one group.
                        Some polls reveal self-contradicting results.

                        Now, it will take some time before public opinion turns in favor of immigrants in general. But there are things that can speed up the process. For instance, if large mass of immigrant families are subjected to extremely harsh measures, that could turn public opinion decisevly in favor of immigrants.

                        In any case, I don't foresee a swift pro-immigrant turn in the course of events in near future. I would say that "Enforcement Only" provisions will pass (this year or next) as FAIR US demands it, and then it will be a while before anyone again mentions a "Guest Worker" program.

                        Best Regards,


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                          AliBA, are you an idiot? Well I think your all your post answers that question. Why the hell are you comparing the lottery winners to illegal aliens. Illegals dont play the lottery because they know hard work is the true way to make money. Those winners got lucky, and they lottery program is alive because more idiots like you play it then there are actual winners, its simply business.

                          If you were to have done your research those meat packing jobs pay well over the poverty line, and they dont work in un-sanitary conditions for half the pay. If you are a legal resident in this country then you need to find better things to do with your time. Maybe get a job instead of posting on this form.

                          Hey, here is an idea. Why dont you get a job so one less illegal can take that job so you can stop your little crying. But you are too lazy, and perhaps fat like the 2/3 of your country mates.


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                            Posted on Sun, Mar. 12, 2006

                            Immigration reform has uncertain outlook

                            Congress divided over issue as midterm elections approach

                            DAVE MONTGOMERY
                            Knight Ridder

                            WASHINGTON - Two years after President Bush called for an overhaul of the nation's broken immigration system, Congress is inching toward a legislative response amid deep divisions over how to deal with more than 11 million illegal immigrants.
                            The contentious debate on Capitol Hill is amplified by election-year politics, with immigration emerging as a passionate issue in scores of midterm congressional races, particularly in states along the southwest border. Lawmakers there say the issue is often topic No. 1 at town hall meetings.
                            The Senate Judiciary Committee is grappling with an immigration bill that differs sharply from a House-passed measure, which calls for tougher enforcement and a 700-mile fence along the southwest border. House and Senate negotiators would have to craft a delicate compromise for a law to be passed this year, and no one's betting on the outcome.
                            Estimates of the number of illegal immigrants vary widely, but the most commonly accepted figure is more than 11 million. The Pew Hispanic Center, a Washington research group, estimated that 11.5 million to 12 million unauthorized residents were in the country as of March, an increase of more than 500,000 over a year ago.
                            More than half come from Mexico, but law enforcement officials are increasingly troubled by the rising number of illegal immigrants from other nations, including countries accused of sponsoring terrorism.
                            Traditionally, illegal immigration has been fueled by economics, with most undocumented workers coming for better jobs and living conditions. Many U.S. employers consider them an integral part of the work force, filling chronic labor shortages and taking low-end jobs that U.S. citizens won't. Human rights groups say the immigrants are subject to exploitation and paid at rates well below average.
                            At the same time, illegal immigrants stir deep resentment among U.S. citizens, particularly in border states, where critics say they squeeze American workers out of jobs and absorb billions of dollars in social services, including public education for their children and medical treatment at tax-funded hospitals.
                            In the post-Sept. 11 era, the debate over illegal immigration has widened to include a fierce outcry over national security, stirring fears that the porous borders are becoming a gateway for potential terrorists and other seedy elements, including gang members, drug couriers and smugglers of human contraband.
                            U.S. Border Patrol agents last year arrested 1.17 million illegal immigrants. Authorities believe that perhaps more than that entered undetected. According to the Pew Center's latest survey, 66 percent of the nation's undocumented residents have been in the country less than 10 years, and at least 40 percent, or about 4.4 million, have been here less than five years.
                            All sides agree that the system is broken, but few agree on how to fix it. Bush first called for an immigration overhaul in January 2004, proposing a guest-worker program that would include those now here illegally. Hoping to appeal to conservatives, he's since broadened the initiative to include two other components: aggressive enforcement at the workplace and tighter border security.
                            Bush has pursued the issue harder than any of his recent White House predecessors, pushing Congress toward the first immigration overhaul in three decades. But his plunge in polls has raised concerns among reform advocates.
                            "It's going to be a ***py road, and the whole process could fall apart," says Daniel Griswold of the Cato Institute, a libertarian Washington think tank. "And complicating matters is (the fact that) you have a president who doesn't have a whole lot of political capital right now."


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