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    JulieCelik1
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    JulieCelik you don't have a clue !!!! Here are the FACTS instead of your opinion


    JulieCelik you don't have a clue !!!! Here are the FACTS instead of your opinion

    Every nation on this planet is a nation of immigrates at one time or another. We are not a nation of immigrates, 90% of the population was born here.We are a nation that allows immigration ,LEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!!.1930 UNTILL 1980'S we had immigration levels at 300,000 per year , this was when this wealth you see today was built, by US!!!!! not immigrates.!!!! We now take in over 1.6 million per year legal over 30 million in the last 25 years .You need to get a clue !!!!we did the jobs ,we built this country , the good old US citizens ....now you all come to benefit illegally on the hard work of others and take credit for it , how lame can you get !!!!! If you all are so good how come your country s S>U>C>K>S> your such hard workers and all ?????



    Steve Camarota, director of research for the CIS, dismissed many of the economic theories used to support an open-border policy.

    While some argue that Mexican immigration - legal or otherwise - is crucial to the economy, Camarota introduced statistical data showing that Mexican immigrants comprise nearly one-third of California's population but account for approximately 3 percent of the state's economic output.
    READ 3 PERCENT HERE JULIE!!!!
    According to Camarota, California's estimated population of more than 35.5 million people includes some 10 million Mexicans, 70 percent of who are in the state illegally and 65 percent of who have less than a high school education.

    "The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false," Camarota said.

    Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

    Camarota's data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.

    While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.

    The CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used "major welfare programs" like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.

    "There's a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay," said Camarota. "This fact, coupled with their extremely high use of public services, means that there's a very high cost for cheap labor."



    The price of the great Mexican exodus is a staggering transfer of wealth which continues to climb. Cheap labor is really not cheap at all. Taxpayers foot the bill for increased use of schools, public health, welfare, and new infrastructure. Employers are happy to get a large pool of compliant and inexpensive workers, but the workers pay little or nothing in taxes. When children arrive (at taxpayer expense), start getting food stamps, and then add to the numbers in schools, the cheap labor actually costs much more than the wages earned. But employers like the subsidized labor, Democrats salivate at the thought of the potential votes, and Republicans are afraid of alienating anyone.
    Statistics from the Weekly Standard, American Conservative Union and other sources illustrate:

    THE VERY HIGH COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

    "¢ Illegal immigrants cost $68 billion in annual welfare payments – equaling $1000 per taxpaying family. (Compared to the estimated $60 billion for the war in Iraq.)

    "¢ The proportion of immigrants on welfare is 50 percent higher than native born Americans. (Legal immigrants are barred from welfare for 10 years.)

    "¢ They are the sole source of school overcrowding. Educating their children costs $30 billion a year.

    "¢ The cost of incarcerating illegal immigrants is estimated at $500 million a year. In the year 2000, there were 23,477 illegal immigrants charged with federal crimes.
    "¢ Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses.
    States are freeing prisoners, closing libraries, hiking college tuition, even halting prosecution of abusive spouses, while federal and state officials are scrambling to plug budget gaps that widen every day primarily due to illegal immigration.
    HEALTH CARE COSTS FROM OPEN BORDERS
    The Phyllis Schafley Report September 2002
    The big health-care debate in Congress last summer was over the wrong issue. Instead of threatening to bankrupt Medicare by forcing the taxpayers to buy prescription drugs for seniors, Congress should relieve the taxpayers and paying-patients of the burden of providing hospital care for illegal aliens.
    From Florida to California, illegal aliens show up at hospital emergency rooms and the costs are passed along to paying patients and to local taxpayers. The American Hospital Association estimates that the costs of bad-debt and charity care run into the billions.
    A Martin County, Florida, hospital has spent $900,000 (with no end in sight) caring for a Guatemalan illegal who appeared at the emergency room two years ago with a brain injury after an automobile accident. He has no money and no family, but somehow he has a lawyer who has successfully prevented deportation to Guatemala.
    A Jamaican illegal spent 17 months under care at the same hospital. After he ran up a bill of $500,000, he was finally sent home to Jamaica.
    St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach treats one or two illegals a week and Delray Medical Center about 75 a month. Hospitals are required to provide care to anyone who shows up with a life-threatening condition.
    Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) has persuaded the General Accounting Office to study the financial costs that illegal aliens impose on hospitals. He says "we need to remedy this problem before we can no longer afford to take care of Americans."
    Many Arizona hospitals have to treat automobile accident victims of dangerous driving by what are called "people smugglers." Two Tucson hospitals were stuck with treating a half dozen illegal aliens who were injured in a nighttime crash of their car traveling on the highway at 100 miles an hour.
    A San Antonio hospital treated victims suffering from dehydration after up to 70 men, women and children were discovered by police in a tractor-trailer rig at a truck stop. Another tractor-trailer rig loaded with 40 illegal aliens, two of them dead from suffocation, was found in July in Dallas.
    The Palomar Medical Center in Escondido, California, has been caring for a comatose Mexican illegal ever since he got drunk and was struck by a car in May. He can't pay for the care, of course, but his lawyer is fighting his deportation to a Tijuana hospital.
    San Diego hospitals had to face the burden of caring for 31 accident victims (not counting the seven who were killed) when a van carrying illegals from Mexico and Brazil crashed going the wrong way on an interstate at night with its headlights turned off.
    Some aliens look upon an automobile accident as their entry ticket into the United States. They get treated at an American hospital and then may be released into no one's custody, and no one has any figures on the numbers.
    Last year the taxpayers who finance Medicaid paid the hospital bill for 6,000 illegal aliens to have their babies in Colorado. This totaled $30 million, an average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens are 40% of the births Medicaid paid for in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for all Medicaid services at a cost that is not even tabulated.
    To get immediate care, the illegal only has to say she is "undocumented." Pregnant American mothers can't avoid their birth-of-a-baby expenses so easily. Denver Health is asking taxpayers to approve a bond issue to pay for a bigger obstetrics unit. The present unit was built for 1,600 births a year but last year it handled 3,500.
    This Colorado information was reported by Al Knight of the Denver Post editorial board. He concluded with a fascinating comment: "There are many groups and interests that for one reason or another don't want this information to be available or to be discussed."
    He didn't identify the "groups and interests."
    Who they are would be a good question to ask your Member of Congress, along with why Congress isn't doing its duty to protect Americans from the influx of illegal aliens.
    DISEASES ALIENS BRING INTO THE U.S.
    Scores of Americans have come down with the disease called West Nile virus, and more than a dozen have already died.
    The Louisiana Governor says his state "is an emergency situation."
    Carried by mosquitoes, West Nile virus causes flu-like symptoms and a potentially fatal brain inflammation. There is no cure. Many horses have been infected.
    West Nile virus is a disease that comes from central Africa, and it was unknown in the United States prior to 1999. Now it has been found in at least 34 states. Even the pro-immigration New York Times reported (8-13-02): "The wide swath that West Nile has cut in just three years illustrates how vulnerable the United States is to imported diseases."
    The Centers for Disease Control recently announced the deaths of the first American victims of Chagas disease.
    Chagas disease is caused by a parasite that is spread when a so-called "kissing bug" bites a human and then defecates while it feeds. The feces contain the parasite, which can enter the human either when the bitten person scratches the bite or from eating contaminated uncooked food.
    Chagas infection can lead to various disorders such as obstruction of the colon or esophagus, and is often fatal if untreated.
    The Chagas disease in the United States has been traced to a Central American immigrant. More than 16 million people are infected with the parasite in Central America, and health officials estimate that 100,000 Latin American residents in the United States now carry the parasite.
    Immigration officials are supposed to screen out immigrants who are carrying diseases, but of course there is no health screening for illegal aliens, who are coming into our country by hundreds of thousands (some estimates say a million) every year.
    Tuberculosis, which had been on the way to eradication in the United States, is now rising rapidly because of immigration. In California, the state health department reports that 75% of all TB patients were born outside the United States.
    When are the American people going to wake up to the diseases, followed by the costs to our health care system, that result from the massive numbers of aliens coming into the United States at the present time, especially from Third World countries?
    Instead of dealing with these existing health-care burdens, some members of Congress are trying to hit the taxpayers with even more costs for illegal aliens. They are trying to make illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition rates at publicly funded colleges and universities.
    Texas, California and New York are already subsidizing these aliens who have broken our laws while discriminating against students in lawful, taxpaying families from the other 49 states. A student from Arizona, for example, pays four times as much to attend the University of California as an illegal alien.
    *** *** ***
    In-State Tuition: Stay tuned for this topic. State lawmakers in the "Open Borders" crowd, even though it's barred by federal immigration law, believe you should pay for the college education of illegal immigrants. And there are many more things they want taxes dollars for to support illegal immigrants. (And it just doesn't seem to matter what the immigration laws say.)
    Some Dare Call It Treason
    Average Illegal Costs US $55,000 A Year
    By Liz Michael
    www.lizmichael.com
    1-12-4



    Also, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. This shouldn't sit well with anyone, but conservatives are the most alarmed by it. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. This puts the lie to the concept that such immigration is actually "beneficial". Yes, some people who are coming ARE a net benefit. But those people are dwarfed by those who actually cost us money.

    The net cost of immigration is $70 billion a year." - George Borjas, Harvard professor. 2002 "Immigration is estimated to cost Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes." -- Costly immigration, Paul Craig Roberts
    "Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses." - Economics professor George Borjas
    Overall, migrants from around the world send $30 billion to relatives back home. $23 billion last year to Latin America and the Caribbean. $10 billion was sent home to Mexico alone. Filipino workers send $6 billion a year and 10,000 cash transfers are sent to China each month, averaging $2,000 to $3,000 each.

    The current wave of mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall. "All of the available estimates suggest the annual net gain is astoundingly small," writes Professor Borjas, "... less than 0.1 percent of the Gross Domestic Product." Roughly: less than $10 billion in a $7 trillion economy.

    Note carefully what Professor Borjas is saying here. Sure, those immigrants who work do raise overall GDP. But the bulk of that increase goes to the immigrants themselves, in the form of wages. The benefit to native-born Americans, after everything is taken into account, is infinitesimally small.

    Current mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall -- but it is transforming their country. For nothing.

  • #2
    JulieCelik1
    Member

    JulieCelik you don't have a clue !!!! Here are the FACTS instead of your opinion


    JulieCelik you don't have a clue !!!! Here are the FACTS instead of your opinion

    Every nation on this planet is a nation of immigrates at one time or another. We are not a nation of immigrates, 90% of the population was born here.We are a nation that allows immigration ,LEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!!.1930 UNTILL 1980'S we had immigration levels at 300,000 per year , this was when this wealth you see today was built, by US!!!!! not immigrates.!!!! We now take in over 1.6 million per year legal over 30 million in the last 25 years .You need to get a clue !!!!we did the jobs ,we built this country , the good old US citizens ....now you all come to benefit illegally on the hard work of others and take credit for it , how lame can you get !!!!! If you all are so good how come your country s S>U>C>K>S> your such hard workers and all ?????



    Steve Camarota, director of research for the CIS, dismissed many of the economic theories used to support an open-border policy.

    While some argue that Mexican immigration - legal or otherwise - is crucial to the economy, Camarota introduced statistical data showing that Mexican immigrants comprise nearly one-third of California's population but account for approximately 3 percent of the state's economic output.
    READ 3 PERCENT HERE JULIE!!!!
    According to Camarota, California's estimated population of more than 35.5 million people includes some 10 million Mexicans, 70 percent of who are in the state illegally and 65 percent of who have less than a high school education.

    "The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false," Camarota said.

    Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

    Camarota's data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.

    While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.

    The CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used "major welfare programs" like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.

    "There's a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay," said Camarota. "This fact, coupled with their extremely high use of public services, means that there's a very high cost for cheap labor."



    The price of the great Mexican exodus is a staggering transfer of wealth which continues to climb. Cheap labor is really not cheap at all. Taxpayers foot the bill for increased use of schools, public health, welfare, and new infrastructure. Employers are happy to get a large pool of compliant and inexpensive workers, but the workers pay little or nothing in taxes. When children arrive (at taxpayer expense), start getting food stamps, and then add to the numbers in schools, the cheap labor actually costs much more than the wages earned. But employers like the subsidized labor, Democrats salivate at the thought of the potential votes, and Republicans are afraid of alienating anyone.
    Statistics from the Weekly Standard, American Conservative Union and other sources illustrate:

    THE VERY HIGH COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

    "¢ Illegal immigrants cost $68 billion in annual welfare payments – equaling $1000 per taxpaying family. (Compared to the estimated $60 billion for the war in Iraq.)

    "¢ The proportion of immigrants on welfare is 50 percent higher than native born Americans. (Legal immigrants are barred from welfare for 10 years.)

    "¢ They are the sole source of school overcrowding. Educating their children costs $30 billion a year.

    "¢ The cost of incarcerating illegal immigrants is estimated at $500 million a year. In the year 2000, there were 23,477 illegal immigrants charged with federal crimes.
    "¢ Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses.
    States are freeing prisoners, closing libraries, hiking college tuition, even halting prosecution of abusive spouses, while federal and state officials are scrambling to plug budget gaps that widen every day primarily due to illegal immigration.
    HEALTH CARE COSTS FROM OPEN BORDERS
    The Phyllis Schafley Report September 2002
    The big health-care debate in Congress last summer was over the wrong issue. Instead of threatening to bankrupt Medicare by forcing the taxpayers to buy prescription drugs for seniors, Congress should relieve the taxpayers and paying-patients of the burden of providing hospital care for illegal aliens.
    From Florida to California, illegal aliens show up at hospital emergency rooms and the costs are passed along to paying patients and to local taxpayers. The American Hospital Association estimates that the costs of bad-debt and charity care run into the billions.
    A Martin County, Florida, hospital has spent $900,000 (with no end in sight) caring for a Guatemalan illegal who appeared at the emergency room two years ago with a brain injury after an automobile accident. He has no money and no family, but somehow he has a lawyer who has successfully prevented deportation to Guatemala.
    A Jamaican illegal spent 17 months under care at the same hospital. After he ran up a bill of $500,000, he was finally sent home to Jamaica.
    St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach treats one or two illegals a week and Delray Medical Center about 75 a month. Hospitals are required to provide care to anyone who shows up with a life-threatening condition.
    Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) has persuaded the General Accounting Office to study the financial costs that illegal aliens impose on hospitals. He says "we need to remedy this problem before we can no longer afford to take care of Americans."
    Many Arizona hospitals have to treat automobile accident victims of dangerous driving by what are called "people smugglers." Two Tucson hospitals were stuck with treating a half dozen illegal aliens who were injured in a nighttime crash of their car traveling on the highway at 100 miles an hour.
    A San Antonio hospital treated victims suffering from dehydration after up to 70 men, women and children were discovered by police in a tractor-trailer rig at a truck stop. Another tractor-trailer rig loaded with 40 illegal aliens, two of them dead from suffocation, was found in July in Dallas.
    The Palomar Medical Center in Escondido, California, has been caring for a comatose Mexican illegal ever since he got drunk and was struck by a car in May. He can't pay for the care, of course, but his lawyer is fighting his deportation to a Tijuana hospital.
    San Diego hospitals had to face the burden of caring for 31 accident victims (not counting the seven who were killed) when a van carrying illegals from Mexico and Brazil crashed going the wrong way on an interstate at night with its headlights turned off.
    Some aliens look upon an automobile accident as their entry ticket into the United States. They get treated at an American hospital and then may be released into no one's custody, and no one has any figures on the numbers.
    Last year the taxpayers who finance Medicaid paid the hospital bill for 6,000 illegal aliens to have their babies in Colorado. This totaled $30 million, an average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens are 40% of the births Medicaid paid for in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for all Medicaid services at a cost that is not even tabulated.
    To get immediate care, the illegal only has to say she is "undocumented." Pregnant American mothers can't avoid their birth-of-a-baby expenses so easily. Denver Health is asking taxpayers to approve a bond issue to pay for a bigger obstetrics unit. The present unit was built for 1,600 births a year but last year it handled 3,500.
    This Colorado information was reported by Al Knight of the Denver Post editorial board. He concluded with a fascinating comment: "There are many groups and interests that for one reason or another don't want this information to be available or to be discussed."
    He didn't identify the "groups and interests."
    Who they are would be a good question to ask your Member of Congress, along with why Congress isn't doing its duty to protect Americans from the influx of illegal aliens.
    DISEASES ALIENS BRING INTO THE U.S.
    Scores of Americans have come down with the disease called West Nile virus, and more than a dozen have already died.
    The Louisiana Governor says his state "is an emergency situation."
    Carried by mosquitoes, West Nile virus causes flu-like symptoms and a potentially fatal brain inflammation. There is no cure. Many horses have been infected.
    West Nile virus is a disease that comes from central Africa, and it was unknown in the United States prior to 1999. Now it has been found in at least 34 states. Even the pro-immigration New York Times reported (8-13-02): "The wide swath that West Nile has cut in just three years illustrates how vulnerable the United States is to imported diseases."
    The Centers for Disease Control recently announced the deaths of the first American victims of Chagas disease.
    Chagas disease is caused by a parasite that is spread when a so-called "kissing bug" bites a human and then defecates while it feeds. The feces contain the parasite, which can enter the human either when the bitten person scratches the bite or from eating contaminated uncooked food.
    Chagas infection can lead to various disorders such as obstruction of the colon or esophagus, and is often fatal if untreated.
    The Chagas disease in the United States has been traced to a Central American immigrant. More than 16 million people are infected with the parasite in Central America, and health officials estimate that 100,000 Latin American residents in the United States now carry the parasite.
    Immigration officials are supposed to screen out immigrants who are carrying diseases, but of course there is no health screening for illegal aliens, who are coming into our country by hundreds of thousands (some estimates say a million) every year.
    Tuberculosis, which had been on the way to eradication in the United States, is now rising rapidly because of immigration. In California, the state health department reports that 75% of all TB patients were born outside the United States.
    When are the American people going to wake up to the diseases, followed by the costs to our health care system, that result from the massive numbers of aliens coming into the United States at the present time, especially from Third World countries?
    Instead of dealing with these existing health-care burdens, some members of Congress are trying to hit the taxpayers with even more costs for illegal aliens. They are trying to make illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition rates at publicly funded colleges and universities.
    Texas, California and New York are already subsidizing these aliens who have broken our laws while discriminating against students in lawful, taxpaying families from the other 49 states. A student from Arizona, for example, pays four times as much to attend the University of California as an illegal alien.
    *** *** ***
    In-State Tuition: Stay tuned for this topic. State lawmakers in the "Open Borders" crowd, even though it's barred by federal immigration law, believe you should pay for the college education of illegal immigrants. And there are many more things they want taxes dollars for to support illegal immigrants. (And it just doesn't seem to matter what the immigration laws say.)
    Some Dare Call It Treason
    Average Illegal Costs US $55,000 A Year
    By Liz Michael
    www.lizmichael.com
    1-12-4



    Also, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. This shouldn't sit well with anyone, but conservatives are the most alarmed by it. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. This puts the lie to the concept that such immigration is actually "beneficial". Yes, some people who are coming ARE a net benefit. But those people are dwarfed by those who actually cost us money.

    The net cost of immigration is $70 billion a year." - George Borjas, Harvard professor. 2002 "Immigration is estimated to cost Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes." -- Costly immigration, Paul Craig Roberts
    "Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses." - Economics professor George Borjas
    Overall, migrants from around the world send $30 billion to relatives back home. $23 billion last year to Latin America and the Caribbean. $10 billion was sent home to Mexico alone. Filipino workers send $6 billion a year and 10,000 cash transfers are sent to China each month, averaging $2,000 to $3,000 each.

    The current wave of mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall. "All of the available estimates suggest the annual net gain is astoundingly small," writes Professor Borjas, "... less than 0.1 percent of the Gross Domestic Product." Roughly: less than $10 billion in a $7 trillion economy.

    Note carefully what Professor Borjas is saying here. Sure, those immigrants who work do raise overall GDP. But the bulk of that increase goes to the immigrants themselves, in the form of wages. The benefit to native-born Americans, after everything is taken into account, is infinitesimally small.

    Current mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall -- but it is transforming their country. For nothing.

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    • #3
      we already read this article i guess couple of times.... and abt Prof Borjas.... Good night...

      VDARE.COM

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      • #4
        Pasha
        Glad to see you have expanded your reading list ,vdare.com no less WOW !!!Reading Julies posts she missed out on the FACTS, interesting how opinions are formed with out factual information !!! A feather in the cap for our liberal media who won't print the real story of this invasion!!!!

        I guess this is what freedom is all about now !!!

        http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.p...2b565958f3c7a3
        Border town starts patrols to guard school bus stops

        LUKE TURF
        lturf@tucsoncitizen.com

        Run-ins with illegal immigrants near a small southeast Arizona town has the county sheriff and volunteers protecting buses and bus stops within a few miles of the Mexican border.
        Concern heightened Jan. 29, when three suspected illegal immigrants tried to carjack a woman who was bringing her daughter to school in Hereford. No one was seriously hurt and the suspects were caught by Cochise County Sheriff's deputies.

        Now authorities are trying to engage the community to prevent future issues.

        "We're going to need help from the public," said Carol Capas, spokeswoman for the Cochise County sheriff.

        A day after the carjacking, sheriff's volunteer deputies began following Palominas Elementary District buses, Capas said. The five volunteer deputies drive in marked vehicles and follow buses bound for district schools in Hereford and high schools in nearby Sierra Vista and Bisbee.

        The superintendent of the Palominas district, Kathy Moore, said that as an added measure to keep the 482 high school students and 1,162 students in kindergarten through eighth grade safe, school officials and the sheriff are organizing a type of neighborhood watch at bus stops.

        "The parents themselves should be very conscientious that you take your children to the bus stop and you wait (with) them, if you can," Moore said.

        She was pleased to discover many parents already were doing that when Sheriff Larry Dever encouraged volunteer monitors to sign up at meetings in February. She did not know how many parents have signed up for the patrols.

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        • #5
          Well Acelaw...

          Lot of times I like to read ur articles ...though I find them difficult to solve in reality but its good to know points from different views.... so just wanted you to post something updated stuff... well I didn't follow those posts so don't know what's going on here.... But anyways ... I liked that website in some ways.... Take care...Pasha

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          • #6
            acelaw


            How's it old buddy!!??

            I see you're still up with your chicken little routine!!

            As Pasha noted, same old crap you've been posting the past year............and it still makes a moot point.....



            Here is the most important FACT of all, they are here to stay! Said it before and I'll say it again.............See any house-to-house raids acelaw?


            Checkmate.

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            • #7
              Wow ...

              SKS is back ... I m so happy for both of you guys Ace and SKS ...

              I knew it would wake SKS up .... Anyway guys I m not in mood to discuss anything ....Good night to both of you...

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              • #8
                Pasha
                Mr Diaz states it better then I every could ,
                gets right to the point here.
                http://www.suanews.com/abouteditor.html


                About the Editor
                I, Charles Diaz am an American of Mexican descent. I'm not Latino, Hispanic nor am I Mexican-American. There is a difference. Congress allowed the creation of Latinos, Hispanics and other hyphenated Americans. I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, from a broken home and as an ethnic minority.

                I grew up believing that being American was the best thing that could happen to a fellow. My parents being Mexican only meant that was the country they migrated from. They migrated to come to the land of freedom and opportunity. I remember movies that portrayed immigrants, arriving from Europe, seeing the Statue of Liberty for the first time; actors like Spencer Tracy playing parts where the first thing to do was to learn the language. Next they would study to become citizens and the day they did was a glorious day. To be an American was foremost in the mind of the immigrant. Next to being an American the most important thing was to be your own person.

                Anything I have accomplished or failed is because Diaz, the man, did it. Not because I'm an American, not because I'm of Mexican descent. America gave me the chance to accomplish or fail. Whichever, Diaz did it!

                I joined the military at age seventeen and by the age of twenty I had made Staff Sergeant and was responsible for my own crew of men. I wasn't old enough to drink with them but I was their crew chief. After my discharge in 1958, at the age of 21, I joined a company in Los Angeles as a machine shop loader. A "loader" is the guy who carries the heavy materials to the machines, basically, the bottom of the ladder.

                In the following three years I was promoted from Loader to Expediter, to Coordinator, to Lead-Coordinator, to Production Control Supervisor. In my sixth year I was passed over for a promotion that I thought I deserved and I decided to leave the company.

                Next, I was hired as a Planner and within three months was promoted to Management Systems Analyst and then a few months later, to Inventory Control Manager. At that point, my former boss' boss offered me a job as Supervisor of Fabrication Control for a company that was building helicopters. I took the job and in three months I was promoted to General Supervisor of Fabrication Control and in charge of 350 people.

                Later in life I founded and ran a consulting company and published a semi-technical magazine that was read in 22 countries. I have traveled extensively to South Korea and Canada as a consultant. Throughout my life, I've never thought of myself as anything but a man who had been given the opportunity given to every American: the chance to succeed. I have never been ashamed of being of Mexican descent, nor have I ever felt any prejudice against me.

                In trying to analyze why I have never felt any prejudice against me, I've come to some conclusions I would like to share with you.

                When my mother came to the United States she was only six years old and my grandparents settled in a part of Los Angeles that was predominantly white. As a result, I learned English as my first language. These factors created the opportunity for my ability as a human being.

                Let me reword what I just wrote: They didn't move into a barrio. They learned and accepted English as their language.

                Back then there were no schools that taught in Spanish, the government created that.

                There were no signs in Spanish, the government created that.

                I got my first job (after the military) without equal opportunity employers and affirmative action. The government created that.

                I was accepted because I wasn't an adult that walked around saying "Orale man, Que pasa?" The government created that too.

                When I was passed over for promotion I didn't claim prejudice. The government created that.

                No prejudice was ever shown against me because I was an American of Mexican descent. I'm not a Latino, Hispanic or a Mexican-American, the government created that.

                I have been fortunate enough to have traveled to South Korea on several occasions. On my first visit I was the guest of Samsung, one of the largest corporations in Korea. During that visit I went to a city called Kumi to tour a telecommunications assembly plant. Kumi is about three hours south of Seoul by train.

                In Kumi I exited the train station and looked out on the streets filled with people, and I felt something was different. At first it was a funny feeling, then it struck me I was the only American in a street filled with hundreds if not thousands of Koreans. This was the first time in my life I was where I was the only American in such a large crowd.

                Later, on the train back to Seoul, I started to reflect on things I had seen but not given any thought to while traveling. Like the time I was sitting in the bar of the Shilla Hotel, one of Seoul Korea's finest five star hotels. I noticed a German fellow and a French fellow talking to the bartender who was Korean. I observed the German couldn't speak French or Korean, the Frenchman couldn't speak German or Korean and the Korean couldn't speak German or French. They were communicating in English and I felt a feeling of pride when it hit me that our language is the language used by the world to communicate. If you do much traveling there is another fact you quickly learn. There is only one currency that will never be turned down no matter where you are, the American dollar. I started comparing the difference between a country like Korea, a homogeneous society with one race and nationality, and America. In America we aren't the melting pot we used to be but we are a multi-racial multi-nationality country. I asked myself, "What does an American look like?" An American can be white, black, red, brown, or yellow. An American can have blond hair, black hair, kinky hair or straight hair. In short, you can't tell an American by his or her physical traits.

                If there is no physical trait that identifies an American then it must be something else, possibly a frame of mind. It could be an idea or a philosophy we live by. An attitude towards a way of life with a little bit of conceit and arrogance about being American, a pride.

                What amazed me was it took my traveling outside the United States before I really started to think about what's happening inside the United States. If you are anything like me, when you return to the U.S., you feel a certain pride in being an American. You can feel good, that is, until you get home and listen to the news, pick up the local newspaper or turn on the TV.

                There are certain so-called Americans that have become racially motivated minority groups and are tearing at the fabric of America. Instead of a melting pot, we are becoming more of an egg separator. Factions professing that heritage as more important than being American are unknowingly dividing America into ethnic groups. It seems all some people care about is taking what America has to offer and not give anything back. Not even being proud enough to call themselves Americans first, they hyphenate their nationality by placing an ethnic nationality reference before the word American. They are predominantly Afro-American and Mexican-American. They claim ethnic heritage is more important than American heritage. Instead of assimilating the American thought, the American way, the American dream, they prefer to use all that America has to offer to place their ethnicity above being American. They reject American heritage.

                As an American of Mexican decent, I was born in America, and I was taught and believe George Washington was a hero for me as an American. Today's hyphenated Americans must reject that premise and believe they need to be taught of some other hero's. They demand bilingual education as a better option for their hyphenated American children. The worst possible thing the American educational system could do would be to graduate a student who could not speak English fluently.

                When the Irish, Germans, French and Jews migrated to America they didn't demand to be taught in their languages. Today, Americans of oriental descent aren't demanding to be taught in their language and they are consistently the top performers in our scholastic system. Is it they thought becoming an American was the most important thing in their life, important enough to leave their country in favor of the land of freedom.

                Why is there so much support for today's hyphenated Americans to be brainwashed into believing it's more important to be a hyphenated American? Why aren't they being encouraged to assimilate? In doing what they are doing they not only destroy their children's chance, they add unnecessary costs to our educational system by claiming ethnic heritage education is required for self esteem. I'm an American with a last name of Diaz and I have enough self-esteem for a dozen people. But then I'm proud of being an American. I'm proud of being of Mexican Descent. I grew up eating beans and tortillas for breakfast lunch and dinner. Right next to steak, meatloaf and fried chicken.

                When it comes to teaching a child reading, writing and arithmetic it doesn't make any difference where you or your parents were born. Yet certain educators say you can't teach all kids out of the same book. What does a child's ethnicity have to do with American history, with grammar, math or science?

                Being born American or naturalized a citizen should not be the totally free ride it has become. It is said America gives many freedoms to all when it should say America gives many freedoms to all those who embrace her.

                The last time anyone tried to divide America a civil war was fought and Americans killed Americans to keep this nation intact. Yet these so called Afro-and Mexican-Americans do nothing but preach division. They and their supporters believe history must be revised to include a point of view other than American.

                They try to belittle America's history by making the white male European connection sound chauvinistically racist. They completely forget the white European male dominated constitutional congress created the very document that allows them the freedom to make those ridiculous charges. They forget the white European male dominated explorers helped carve the greatest nation in the world.

                If this experiment had not happened, and succeeded, all those who are complaining would be bowing down to a King or sacrificing virgins to some sun god at noon on a daily basis. If we allow them to demean American history we are allowing them to demean the very core of "What it means to be an American."

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                • #9
                  Agreed with content of article.... But this is an experience of one person who was successful in life... one person doesn't make the whole society.... Sorry I didn't read that article carefully so I will write here some points in short ....

                  Just coz Bill Gates writes something about society, country, life style doesn't make the same thing happening for a simple janitor who works in public library.... I spent 7 yrs in Russia and never met a single bad person .... But it doesn't prove all good about Russia ... coz when I was studying over there ...there was a great problem with skin head people who used to beat foreigners .... Well those were overall groups of teenagers that were lost ....

                  But in a general way... u just cant build whole society based on one successful person's review .... Coz if there are 100 successful people in society ....there are millions of general ( not extra-ordinary people) that make big mass of community .....

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                  • #10
                    Pasha
                    You missed the point of the whole thing, this country was not built on individual races but by AMERICANS from many walks of life...

                    But in a general way... u just cant build whole society based on one successful person's review .... Coz if there are 100 successful people in society ....there are millions of general ( not extra-ordinary people) that make big mass of community .....

                    Success is measured by the individual in this country not by preconceived standards.You can be as successful as you want here, there are only limits set by yourself and how hard you want to work,some stop and stay in place, northing wrong with that !!!.Did you let the skinheads dedicate your success or failure in Russia ? Or were they just another obstacle to over come ? We did build a whole society based on being able to be successful beyond most of the rest of the worlds exception ???? That's the point of the story !!!!No society in history has survived mass immigration of folks who don't think the same way as the founders of what ever country it might have been <<<

                    Wall Street Journal: Oblivious to reality

                    Posted: March 20, 2004
                    1:00 a.m. Eastern

                    Editor's note: John Dougherty's recent book, Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," is available at WorldNetDaily's online store.
                    By Jon Dougherty

                    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
                    What's that I smell coming from the op-ed pages of the Wall Street Journal? I don't know, but it resembles something horses leave behind in the barnyard.
                    While the Journal may have a well-earned reputation as the "go-to" publication for business leaders, its editorial page editors lack a certain penchant for reality when it comes to a discussion of immigration – legal and otherwise.
                    Recently on the Journal's op-ed pages, Jason L. Riley took a stereotypical WSJ position of supporting a "come one, come all" immigration policy, while failing to explain why such an open-borders policy is more desirable than, say, border security. Instead, he relied on the liberal tactic of "smear first, last and always" to silence critics who dare to speak about border security.
                    Even the title of his piece – "GOP Nativists Tarnish Reagan's 'Shining City'" – is a cruel joke, and not one just for conservatives, but for anyone who is serious about derailing the destructive effects mass immigration is having on our nation.
                    For the record, the "shining city" mantra was a phrase oft-repeated by President Reagan, though it was actually coined several hundred years earlier by John Winthrop, an early pilgrim who wrote it to describe the kind of American nation he envisioned.
                    In a number of respects, America indeed has become a "shining city on a hill," thanks to the ingenuity, hard work and sacrifices made by Americans all along the way.
                    In fact, America has become a shining city on top of the globe; in terms of gross domestic product, military might, technological advancement, medicine and resourcefulness, what country historically can compare?
                    Our success as a nation is what drives so much migration – and why so many people from neighboring poor nations want to be here, no matter what they have to sacrifice to get here.
                    That's admirable and it says a lot about the success we as Americans have earned and accomplished. Yet for those who dare to protect these accomplishments, pundits like Riley are waiting in the wings, ready to throw open the floodgates while calling opponents "nativist" ethnophobes, bigots and "white supremacists."
                    It never ceases to amaze me that supposedly educated people who have the ability to write stirringly and sensibly resort to labeling and attacking opponents personally, instead of attempting to debate them intelligently. Riley epitomizes the elite media's reactionary stance toward any hint that American leaders have a right – nay, a duty – to secure this nation's borders, by any means necessary, and especially during a time of unprecedented global terrorism.
                    Riley is writing like scores of other pundits who have never set foot within 50 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. He even has the temerity to suggest the U.S. is incapable of protecting its borders. And he calls "unenforceable" any laws designed to strengthen border security and discourage illegal immigration.
                    To suggest the U.S., the world's only remaining superpower – with our global satellite communications and surveillance systems, ultra-modern military forces, $10 trillion GDP, vast technological superiority and armed populace – cannot substantially impact the current level of illegal immigration shows an incredible level of ignorance. The U.S. government has never been serious about closing off its borders to illegal immigrants, drug smugglers and the occasional Mexican military or police unit that "accidentally" strays onto American soil. So how can anyone say it isn't possible?
                    In fact, the government has been quite the facilitator of mass immigration. Between Democratic voter interests and Wall Street Journal neocon corporate interests, Washington has been bought and sold many times over on the open-borders concept.
                    The concept of open borders is also fraught with hypocrisies and double standards. On the one hand, advocates argue the concept can work as long as migrants are documented, tracked and possess the proper paperwork and identification. But on the other, they say current law forbidding employers from hiring undocumented workers is impossible to enforce because it, in Riley's words, has only "created a thriving black market for false identification papers."
                    Which is it – documentation helps or doesn't help?
                    Here is why it matters that Americans get serious about controlling our borders. According to the latest U.S. Census Bureau statistics, by 2050 non-Hispanic whites will comprise only 50 percent of a population expected to swell to 420 million people.
                    So what, right? It isn't important for a nation to be comprised of a people – regardless of their ethnicity – who share common bonds, languages and customs, right?
                    Tell that to the Russian soldiers dying in Chechnya.
                    Tell that to the Serbs and ethnic Albanians fighting in Kosovo.
                    Tell that to Indonesia's warring ethnic factions.
                    Tell that to the Muslim terrorists who hate America and Americans because we are largely a Christian nation.
                    And tell it to the militant Hispanic groups already inside our own country who thirst for a greater Latino homeland rejoined with the Mexican nation of the 18th century.
                    The Journal's neocon position on immigration stinks to high heaven. Open borders for any reason is not an ingredient conducive to future stability. While admittedly there are no easy solutions to the problem, there are plenty of good solutions.
                    The fact that none of them have been implemented reeks.

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                    • #11
                      Ok ....

                      I didn't miss any point here... I guess our correlation is little bit different.... And in regards with what we were talking about ...I am not reading that article right now.... I just checked this board after logging out ...so will reply to your original post....

                      When we talk about country ... success can not be decided by individual .... When any talk goes about society or country then we got to take overall influence / impact of whole community and that's how 1st world countries and 3rd world countries are classified .... There are lot of rich successful people in 3rd world countries who earn a lot more than most people here do... that doesn't make that country at number one.... In fact it comes with overall effect ....

                      Did you let the skinheads dedicate your success or failure in Russia ? Or were they just another obstacle to over come ?

                      No they could never decide my fate...but they killed other foreigners and I could have been one of those too...who knows...lucky I am...thank god...

                      We did build a whole society based on being able to be successful beyond most of the rest of the worlds exception ????

                      Agreed ... that's overall affords and not one individual's

                      No society in history has survived mass immigration of folks who don't think the same way as the founders of what ever country it might have been

                      Yep that is true.... Agreed here... and same thing is going to happen here couple of yrs down the road... history repeats...but no one knows how to take precautions .... Well no one gets all good....with good stuff there is always bad things come along..... u cant do a thing abt it no matter what u do.... And more good is here ...again overall effect ...that makes it better than others... but never an individual...

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                      • #12
                        We did build a whole society based on being able to be successful beyond most of the rest of the worlds exception ????

                        Agreed ... that's overall affords and not one individual's

                        But with out the individual you have no one RIGHT???? You see ??? Here we have all that make up the USA , not some rich that dictates to others,,any one born here can be president of this country , not so in most 3rd world countries , RIGHT????Look at the pioneers of the industrial revolution in this country , they were not rich to start, most had less then a 8th grade education and we were coming out of the great depression ,dollars were hard to come by, but hard work does not cost you anything but sweat. Success of individuals created what you see today , what you describe below is what holds back development of most 3 world countries , 10 percent of the populace control most of the riches and assets of your country , the rest live in poverty with no chance to succeed, RIGHT ? Not so here !!!so why do you continue to act as it is the same here when it is not??? You seem to want to find fault with this country ??? Well it is not perfect but proven the best system in the world today !!!

                        When we talk about country ... success can not be decided by individual .... When any talk goes about society or country then we got to take overall influence / impact of whole community and that's how 1st world countries and 3rd world countries are classified .... There are lot of rich successful people in 3rd world countries who earn a lot more than most people here do... that doesn't make that country at number one.... In fact it comes

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                        • #13
                          SKS
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                          posted February 09, 2004 08:59 PM
                          Dirk

                          SKS is a great name......and great rifle to fire....

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                          • #14
                            There is nothing to disagree with in content of your posting for me here.... But some points are misunderstood... I don't find a fault with this country overall .... Yes individual makes whole community but when u talks about country u don't take single individual in consideration.... I am not here to compare USA with some 3rd world countries either.... Its everyone's hard work and discipline that made this country rich and number one .... Mexicans are included in that too .... But when you look at some bad mangoes ignoring millions of other good ones.... That's not the right approach ...

                            Why did I focus on individual experience coz the article we read here is one person's good experience but there are thousands experiences / stories are hidden ...never came in sight of people ..... so its quite possible that could be opposite to one we got to read.....

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                            • #15
                              Acelaw:

                              You mention State of CA in your posting. You also state the following:

                              [ quote: Acelaw] According to Camarota, California's estimated population of more than 35.5 million people includes some 10 million Mexicans, 70 percent of who are in the state illegally and 65 percent of who have less than a high school education.

                              "The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false," Camarota said.

                              Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

                              Camarota's data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.

                              While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.

                              The CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used "major welfare programs" like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.

                              "There's a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay," said Camarota. "This fact, coupled with their extremely high use of public services, means that there's a very high cost for cheap labor."
                              [end of quote]

                              Now, I read Proposition 187, particularly Section 1, Section 4, Section 834(b) as added to Penal Code, Section 5 (Section 10001.5 as added to the Welfare and Institutions Code), Section 6 (Chapter 1.3[commencing with Section 130 is added to Part 1 of Division 1 of the Health and Safety Code...]), Section 7 (Section 48245 is added to Education Code...]), Section 8( Section 66010.8 is added to the Education Code, to read...), Section 9 and Section 10.

                              In light of EXISTING Proposition 187 (nothwistanding provisions of Title 8 CFR, Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996]), wouldn't it make more sense if you directed your heat to those who enforce it?

                              I personally don't think that Illegals(Undocumented Immigrants) should get any benefits/public support, for it is a burden on USC Taxpayer, as well as a burden on the IMAGE of ALL Immigrants who may have never used or used legally those benefits.

                              *******************************

                              You say in your posting that "taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes".

                              Well, guess what, Acelaw: if you make $6/hour your taxes will be substantially LOWER than if you made $15-$20/hour.
                              Isn't it obvious?

                              I would also note that on my opinion NET effort, physical energy spent on $6/hour job far exceeds the one spent on $15/hour job.

                              I don't think it is a fault of Mexicans that they work menial jobs and get low pay(And low pay means low taxes).
                              Someone benefits from low wages, but it is absurd to claim that it is Mexicans who benefit from LOW wages BECAUSE as a result they pay LOWER taxes.

                              It is the same as if I said you are better off when you are starving, since you pay less for your food than anyone else.

                              You could say it is THEIR fault that they don't qualify for higher paid jobs, but then it would be a cheap speculation. I don't think average Mexican is responsible for Tyranny of Mexican government that for many decades both degraded its population to sub-animal living conditions and robbed them of any opportunity to make a decent living in Mexico*.
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                              *WARNING (!!!!!) MAKE A NOTE HERE (!!!!!): I AM NOT BLAMING YOU, ACELAW, FOR ACTIONS OF MEXICAN GOVERNMENT, NOR DO I ASK YOU TO FEEL GUILTY AND ACCEPT/GIVE WELFARE/LEGALISE/HELP THOSE MEXICANS BY SACRIFICING YOUR OWN LIFE!!!
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                              Now, I agree with you that level of Immigration rose disproportionately after 1980's (and we all know why, so I won't get into details here).
                              I also agree that it is a bad thing for everyone, and therefore it should be curbed and put under control.

                              Some improvements are underway, but more has to be done to successfully complete the task which is not an easy one.

                              And most importantly, these measures should be taken with cool judgement, in calm wisdom, with impassionate arms of surgeon, and NOT in the heat of emotion/hatred/hysteria as some may suggest.

                              I may add more comments later, as I have to attend to other tasks now.

                              Good luck.

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