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  • mpodcsin
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    He did not mean that, he was just trying to show how unclever it is to deport illegals etc.

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  • Engaged
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    Thank god you were not serious about your last post...you said you meant it to be sarcastic for all illegals to go to ellis island, how abotu all the other doodooling that you wrote? Because thats just plain mean....

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  • mpodcsin
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    I know I was being sarcastic too. No one will leave, and the House in particular has to understand that and deal with that accordingly

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  • mpodcsin
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    We would probaly have to bring our troops back from Iraq asap, just in case if Mexico attacks us......

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  • mpodcsin
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    I have reasons to believe that Senate bill version will be agreed on. As president said 'there should be a rational way in finding common grounds'. Both Senate and House agree on boarder enforcement so the subject is out of the way, but only Senate offers a solution on how to deal with illegals that are currently in the US. Finding the common ground means that the House would have to offer some kind of alternative solution how to deal with illegals as well. And does anyone knows or has time to offer a better and more rational solution than guest worker program at the moment? I think NO.

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  • Antifascist1
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    The only "not introduced" option is the 'Enforecement Only'.

    Are there any other options?

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  • mpodcsin
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    I don't think any of introduced options solve the illegal immigrantion problem, therefore we have to expect a different outcome.

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  • AliBA
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    Washington Post said much the same thing this morning, although you have to read to the end of the fairly lengthy article to get to it.

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  • Antifascist1
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    Senator Feinstein, with all due respect, is the only Senator about whom I wonder how she got elected there.

    Very nice lady, looks like very nice person, she speaks softly and all, but her amendments (starting with SJC hearings) were just total deal-breakers.
    I am glad that Senate rejected it.

    On the skeptical note, there are some reports that confirm what I expected all along - the Bill might just die in conference, if not stripped of Guest Worker provision.

    Here are the latest reports:


    Option # 1. House-Senate Conference agrees to Senate version compromise, but House then refuses to bring the matter to vote before the House floor "for lack of support among majority of majority".
    This is a procedural block and reason for it is that, according to some speakers, nothing would be worse for elections than bringing "divisive Senate Bill for vote before the full House".


    Option # 2. House - Senate Conference agrees to House version compromise, the Bill then dies in Senate where majority of Democrats ,joined with few Republicans, kill it.
    Who takes the blame?
    Obviously Sen. Reid.


    Option # 3. No Conference report at all.


    Option # MIRACLE. Senate-House Conference agrees to Senate version, with minor amendments (stronger enforcement, stricter criteria for Guest Worker eligibility, no path to USC but legalization for most of 12 mln and etc.)

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  • mpodcsin
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    Honestly, I think 'orange card' is very similar to temporary worker program, except for it is cheaper and more efficient way to deal will illegals. Its only weakness is that it will attract more illegals in the future.

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  • AliBA
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    Senate rejects plan to allow all illegal immigrants to stay
    Feinstein offered proposal as alternative to 'three-tiered' compromise

    Tuesday, May 23, 2006; Posted: 11:52 a.m. EDT (15:52 GMT)
    from CNN

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate rejected a California Democrat's plan to allow the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country to remain, work and eventually become Americans, preserving a fragile bipartisan coalition needed to pass the bill.

    Several lawmakers who voted against the proposal offered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Tuesday said they did so reluctantly, but out of necessity to ensure survival of the broader immigration bill. The legislation is expected to win Senate passage Wednesday or Thursday.

    "This legislation is on the edge of the ledge as it is," said Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, one of the Republicans supporting a delicate compromise that has kept the bill alive -- letting two-thirds of illegal immigrants stay but making the other third leave.

    Feinstein's amendment, defeated 61 to 37, would have supplanted the compromise that allows illegal immigrants here five years or more to stay and work six years and seek legal residency after paying back taxes and fines and showing they were learning English.

    Those in the country two to five years under the compromise would have to go to a point of entry, exit and file an application to return as a guest worker. Those here less than two years must leave the country, but could apply from their native country to return as a guest worker and wait in line to get a visa.

    "I have come to believe that the three-tiered system is unworkable, that it would create a bureaucratic nightmare and it would lead to substantial fraud," Feinstein said Tuesday.

    Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said the compromise bill could mean losing Latinos in his state who have helped revive some of its small towns by buying homes and starting small businesses.

    Feinstein offered the plan just before Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist set the stage for a preliminary vote Wednesday that could quickly bring the bill to a final vote. The bill appears headed for passage.

    A bigger fight on the bill is still to come -- when the House and Senate meet to negotiate a compromise bill. The House passed an enforcement-only bill that makes illegal immigrants felons, cracks down on hiring of illegal immigrants and steps up border security. It offers no path to citizenship or a guest worker program, which critics say is amnesty.

    "If we are lucky, the House of Representatives will say it's got to be better," Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama, said of the Senate bill after predicting Monday it would pass.

    Feinstein's proposal faced an uphill climb. Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said it suffered the same "infirmities" as the bipartisan bill approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which offered citizenship for all illegal immigrants.

    Feinstein's proposal required all illegal immigrants to register with the Department of Homeland Security, get fingerprinted and go through criminal and national security background checks.

    They would get an "orange card" encrypted with identifying information and signifying they are legal workers after passing the background checks, demonstrating an understanding of English, U.S. history and government and paying back taxes and a $2,000 fine to apply.

    They would go to the back of the line and could apply for legal permanent residency when a number they are given is reached.

    Also Monday, the Senate showed support for President Bush's plan to deploy National Guard troops to the border by endorsing an amendment authorizing governors to order their state's Guard units to perform duties in border states.

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  • mpodcsin
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    I don't think there is a waiver, but they may try to discuss it at the interview with USCIS.

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  • iyay
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    do you think those people like 3 days after jan 7 can get a waiver?

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  • mpodcsin
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    61 to 37, did not pass.

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  • iyay
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    LIEMASTER SHOULD GO TO HELL!!!!!!!

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