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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by HelpVictim:
    2) Hudson - When I said her parents with held the marriage certificate, my ex-wife too was part of it. But since she came here she did not bring that certificate with her. That certificate is still with her parents. And NO she is not young. When she married me she was 25 years old. Again, if I sit here and write word for word everything then it will take hours and hours to document everything. I thought the purpose of these message boards was to be precise and concise to the point. It appears now you might ask me what was she wearing that night, how far was she when I heard this etc. My purpose was stating a material fact. And I am not disgruntled husband. I could care less if she stays in this country and the Govt gives her greencard/citizenship on a golden platter. My only concern here is I don't want her to defame my character and I as a citizen don't get a chance to defend my self.
    Helpvictim,
    You say one thing, and your actions speak of another. AS I stated, if she does not have evidence for a VAWA claim, then you do not need to worry. USCIS is not going to take just her word or even the words of her friends or relatives, she needs hard evidence, like a police report. But what you are doing is trying to get her deported back to India via the "marriage fraud" route. I understand you won't post the details of everything, but before I go and state she is committing marrage fraud, I want to see hard evidence. The statement about the "boyfriend" is not kosher with societal norms in India. Her age does not matter either. She is dependent upon her parents and probably lived with them. She might have lived outside the home, with a female friend or two, but I do know that any public boyfriend would have ostracized her from society.

    3) About k1 Packages - Once you file K1 petition as a USC, that is all to it. The rest of the packages are to be filed by beneficiary. She was the one who had a burden to be honest. I have spoken to Immigration Attorney who used to be Immigration Prosecutor before. He said the time when I field K1 and if I was not married at that time then I have done nothing wrong. The burden is on beneficiary then to be truthful. Also, When I was there I tried to go to embassy but they wouldn't let me in unless there was an imminent threat to my life. All they did was give me a phone number to call.
    But the two of you got married, and from your statement, you already knew the procedures. Having her do the rest of the leg work is typical among Indian males. And I still don't believe her parents withheld the marriage certificate unless you were not able to match the dowry to her parents or unable to fulfill any other part of the marriage contract. And I do believe the marriage ceremony was religious, otherwise, a civil ceremony, under Indian law, would have been given to each of you.

    4) Again, I do not intend to divulge everything in these message boards only pertinent details at a high-level given the legal suits are pending. I do not want my ex-wife to come to this boards and obtain information before hand on what I intend to do or not.
    I can respect that you won't divulge the whole scenario, but I won't state she is committing marriage fraud unless I have all the facts. Your ex-wife will have a divorce lawyer of her own. She can go where she wants, when she wants, visit anyone she wants, etc. This is a public forum. And message boards are not allowed under state law in most cases as evidence. Your original question about filing the VAWA claim is simple: if she does not have any hard evidence, she will not file the claim PERIOD. If she does have hard evidence, then she might, depending on what her lawyer says. But I still think you are disgruntled.

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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by davdah:
    The days are gone for all fidelity. Or maybe we are just now opening our eyes and seeing the truth. Indian, Asian, Rusky, or American. They can all be $2.00 w h o r e s or as faithful as a hound dog.

    Hudson, if the boyfriend call is true it could be an x-boyfriend was called since things were going bad. Looking to have a place to step to on her part. I'm sure he is not completely innocent. No women is that good an actress unless this guy never had a girlfriend and didn't see anything coming. Not likley. But as they are now it seems she is going to do the VAWA shuffle. Its surprising it can be done without the opportunity to any defense. I do think he should be given the benefit of the doubt as far as how he is explaining it. If he told the entire story up front everyone would have tuned it out after the first couple paragraphs..
    Davdah,
    There is something you should know. 90% of all marriages in an Indian society, whether here in the US or in the home country are arranged by either her parents, his parents, or both. Similarly, divorce is very rare and generally involves either the husband abondoning the wife, that is leaving her in India while stealing the dowry, failure to meet the contractual agreement, or failure to provide adequate dowry to her parents. Women in India, or even here in the US, do not date. If she is traditional Indian women, the story about the boyfriend is simply unbelievable and add that her parents are in on it sounds like a Hollywood, or even Bollywood (Indian version of Hollywood) movie. In other words, it is probably fiction.

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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by HelpVictim:
    One would like to believe that. Those days are gone. My divorce attorney is fighting atleast 25 divorce at the moment and all of them are Indian divorce. She said 16 are due to immigration fraud. In the third district court the Indian divorce that are pending, about 80% are due to immigration benefits. It is an Indian mentality that they let things go and move on. I too intend to do the same but no when someone is going to defame my character to further her agenda. I will fight hard for it. Those days are gone when Indian women were faithful.
    So, would you mind telling us that you did not participate in an arranged marriage, as prescribed in Indian culture. And what about the dowry, the marriage contract, and your parents. I don't think this divorce is due to marriage fraud, but jealously. Whether you are Muslim, Hindi, or Christian, arranged marriages are the norm and divorces are extremely rare, generally filed by the man. And there is a perception of Indian men as being manipulators and wife abandoner. But I won't generalize with you.

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  • SonofMichael
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    Mail Order Brides are very loyal I heard.

    You did not answer the best question: Did she smell like curry?

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  • SonofMichael
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    Originally posted by HelpVictim:
    Those days are gone when Indian women were faithful.
    This is why I only marry Russian mail order brides; them you can trust !

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  • SonofMichael
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    Did she smell like curry??

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  • SonofMichael
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    First get the judgment for fraud. Don't start writing letters all over the place. Get your ducks lined up. And first get those judgements. DO not be in a big rush to write immigration. They will not do anything for a coule of years anyway. Listen to me: Revenge is a dish best served cold. Get that judgment. Then we talk. You can send me private mesages. Usually Indian women are faithful and not frauds; surprised by this.

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  • aneri
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    HelpVictim: I've never heard of a country that wouldn't issue a copy of a marriage certificate to a husband if he requests one.

    It seams that you have a divorce attorney. How about an immigration attorney who should know more about WAVA? and how entering on K1 while being married may influence the outome of the case?

    To get US citizenship based on marriage (3 years PR) one has not only to be married to that same person but also live with that person.

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  • Mamsirena
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    Originally posted by Lerka Я:
    ЯЗЫК МОГУЧ КАК ХУЙ ВОЙНЕ !
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    Oye imbecil, porque siempre contestas en otro idioma...?? Que , acaso tienes miedo de decirlo en ingles o no hablas un carajo de ingles??

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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by davdah:
    Hudson, don't come down on the guy. He simply added more details to it later on. Many times people will abreviate things for sake of keeping the story short. I'm sure there is a lot more to it than what was said. This history can't be told in a matter of a few paragraphs. Lets hear him out before making assumptions.

    One thing that I'd like to know. What state is the divorce case in? Even if her lawyer overturns the judgement it may only affect division of assets and support. The status of being divorced can still be done prior to the rest of the affairs being settled. In many states you can have your legal status set to single six months from the date the other party was served. This will insure she is not married to you.

    I would also think that since she lied on the K-1 interview that would help in so far as getting her deported. Mike is right about the fraud issue. By the sound of it you have a case for marital / visa fraud. Even if it does nothing financially it should be included in the divorce complaint. If she is not deported you will have to support her for 10 years. Re-read your I-864 form.
    Yes Davdah, she did lie on the K1 interview. But also look at point number 5, "Her family with held the marriage certificate and I was bound to get her here. Without that marriage certificate, I cannot file spousal visa in USA so I let it go." If the parents are withholding the marriage certificate in order to file the spousal visa, then what is she supposed to do? This indicates that she is young and dependent upon her parents for guidance. So, are we now going to include her parents in this fraud conspiracy or is there something else that he is not telling us? It also indicates that he knew about the spousal visa, but failed to do anything, either because of her parents or because of himself. And then we have the alleged statement about her boyfriend. At first, he stated he heard it alone, now he has "witnesses." That is not adding information, but changing it. Changing the story to fit his modus operandi.

    What we have here is a disgruntled husband who believes she is in debt to him. And I have a feeling the marriage was rocky from the very beginning.

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  • SonofMichael
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    If you do not have the guts to sue her for fraud, why should the US government care. Sue for fraud or shut up.
    You need a judgment of fraud. Thats the American way !

    ( I bet she's Russia,da?)

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  • HBKHBK
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    where is this lady originally from? ? ? ?

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  • Hudson
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    8) Early November 2006, I caught her talking over the phone to someone back home stating her plan to bring her boyfriend will now succeed and she will get an abortion. Upon hearing this, for a moment I was stunned and shocked. I asked her what the hell is all this and she became very vindictive and violent. There were few relatives in the house at that moment as well and they too heard her saying no one can stop me now from bringing my boyfriend here and she walked out of the house.
    Well, you changed your story by not mentioning anyone who was present in hearing the alleged conversation to the above statement. Per your statement, "3) 8-weeks after she got her greencard, one day while entering the room I heard her having a conversation with someone stating now plan to bring her boyfriend in this country will succeed . When I heard that I was stunned and hit me hard why the marriage happened so suddenly in home country and now here I am." dated 8/18/2007 5:10pm. So, you are now changing your story, adding some details to fit your motus operandi, and think people here will believe you? Well, one or two people may blieve you, but unless you have hard evidence to support the allegation, it is circumstantial.

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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by HelpVictim:
    Once I file K1 petition, I do not have to file any other documents. The burden is shifted on the beneficiary. She indeed signed all of the documents stating she is not married while infact she was married. Also, when someone goes for K1 interview, ONE question is for sure asked by the consulate is are you married? And she stated under oath NO to it.
    Actually no. If anything has changed, per package 3 and 4 instructions, you the petitioner must notify the consulate office either in writing or by filing another form. And since you were in the home country to begin with, it would have been easy to do. All you had to do is go to the US consulate or Embassy and file DS 0S 157.

    Per your statement, "I went back home to attend a personal affair of my family in August 2005. While I was there I got married to her. She had an interview 10-days after our marriage." Although the K1 interview does not allow you to be present, as a USC, you can go to the Embassy anytime you need to for immigration, foreign affairs, legal, etc. You should have read the instructions to package 3 or 4 more closely.

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  • Hudson
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    Originally posted by HBKHBK:
    Looks like what I was assuming and generalizing was to be perfectly right...actuallty in most caes its fraud then this so called "abuse" I do not deny it takes place within marriage but as far immigration marriage goes,like this case...its most likely fraud,especially the timing...8 week after green card is secured,the lady is like "i am outa here"

    Now answer us all one question my man...

    where is this lady from u married? ? ?
    Actually HK, nothing in the following OP post indicates anything. Lets take the first statement. She cannot adjust the status at the embassy. Only he can. We also know that it takes anywhere from 6 to 9 months to complete the processing for a K1 visa. So, why did they marry within two weeks of the interview? Why did he not inform the Embassy as he was advised to do in the package IV documents?

    Now, let us look at the second statement. He said he did not abuse her. Well, that is his story and he is sticking to it. If she is filing the VAWA claim, then there must be some evidence. Is his statement false or do we not know all the facts? And even ones who were convicted of rape, incest, abuse, etc, with hard evidence, will alsways claim they are innocent. Again, no hard evidence to support the claim. And the fact that he took her on four exotic vacations as if she owes him something gives credence to somethhng more sinister in their relationship. He wanted to control her as if she was property.

    Finally, we look at the final statement. He overheard her saying this. Without hard evidence, this cannot be proven in a court of law. That is why it is called circumstantial evidence. And just because he said it does not make it a fact. And because he is a citizen does not give him any brownie points either.

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