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  • #31
    Why won't you answer my question??? Did she smell like curry???

    Are there any Indian les bians that fall in love with their sister without realizing it?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SonofMichael:
      Why won't you answer my question??? Did she smell like curry???

      Are there any Indian les bians that fall in love with their sister without realizing it?
      Sir...lets keep this message boards to the point. Please.

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      • #33
        I am on point; these are crucial questions !!! Did she smell like curry ; yes or no. I had Indian girlfriend who smelled liked curry. How can we be sure she was Indian? This is important to make a fraud determination !!!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by davdah:
          Hudson, I did some reading on Indian culture. I can't say if the practice still occurs to the extent it used to. The idea of a dowry and so forth is probably out of date for India. They have become westernized so it may be more of an idealized look at the past. Much like the stay at home mom of the 50's here. Even it plays out as a disgruntled husband I can't fault him for not wanting to get nailed by the lopsided laws against him.
          It depends on which religion, if any, the person belongs to and how devout that individual is. also, the caste system is still dominant in certain aspects of society. Yes, India has beocme westernized, at least in Calcutta, Madras, Bombay, and other cities in Southern India. New Delhi is also westernized, but you still see the turbans, traditional garb, social epitaphs, etc. Even divorce has been liberalized. But "wife burning" and dowry abuse is also on the rise as well.
          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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          • #35
            Whats wrong with "wife burning"? As "Sis" says, they deserve it and should have known better. Didn't they see the signs? So they can't complain !!!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HelpVictim:
              Hudson - I appreciate all your comments. However, if you please notice my original post, it is not seeking any advice of the determination of fraud. Rather it is asking ways to reach an immigration office for an in person interview/meeting.
              See my PM
              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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              • #37
                Click on url below to find the nearest field office to you, HelpVictim. Like many others already said, she'll need alot of evidence to prove she was abused, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

                http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2...CM10000048f3d6a1RCRD

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                • #38
                  I have read on Womens legal sites that NO evidence is needed except her written statement.

                  http://www.womenslaw.org/immigrantsV...llationcontent

                  "Evidence of battery or extreme cruelty (self-petitioner's declaration can be enough)"

                  I know some affidavits from sympathetic counsulors (the immigration attorneys know who they are and can direct their clients to them), psychologists and other officials can help for an approval. I had a immigration attorney tell me that all that is needed was a well written statement (she could help write this maybe?) and that's all it takes. She claims to have over 200 VAWA petitions approved and only 2 failures.

                  HelpVictim you are not alone.

                  Below is letter from an American woman I got about her father.


                  My father is a good man and did nothing but try to help this woman. He is such a good man that despite what she has done to him (and is still doing), he looks at it as "survival" and refers to her as a "survivalist." Although he is going through with the divorce and has no contact with her, he blames the law and organizations that support this behavior and feels it isn't the woman's fault for resorting to this method to get a better life in the U.S. I admire his empathy but certainly do not agree with him being so naive (that's what got him here in the first place!). Nonetheless, the larger issue is the laws that violate one's civil rights such as the orders of protection filed under false pretenses that are issued ex parte and a man (or woman) being stripped of their property, personal belongings, and the damage these things do to families when children are involved. Thank goodness there are no children involved (I am one of three daughters from his first marriage).

                  Basically, my father's wife has taken a complete turn around in her personality and we could not figure out why the strange behavior. I started doing research on the Internet and it was very clear she was trying to set my father up and appear as a victim of abuse. After doing research I discovered on the USCIS (United States Customs & Immigration Site) site that a woman (or man) can self petition under the Violence Against Women's Act (VAWA) for residency in the U.S. This is much more efficient than trying to do it the right way like my father did by paying thousands of dollars to an Immigration attorney only for her to be denied citizenship. I'm sure this was her only resort, as it appears the self-petitioning process as a battered spouse is basically free (funded by VAWA) and pretty much a guarantee for citizenship. There are lots of sites that walk a woman through the steps such as going to a shelter, which will provide the necessary resources. One of the next steps is to get an Order of Protection so that there is documentation (these are extremely easy for a woman to get and in Arizona an illegal immigrant must be issued one if requested or else the judge can be charged with discrimination of national origin).

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                  • #39
                    hi guys..

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                    • #40
                      HelpVictim you are right again. I wonder why some of the people here keep reciting this "hard evidence" nonsense? Could they have some reason to want to believe this?

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                      • #41
                        "I wonder how difficult it would be to review one of these cases and see the entire chain of evidence."

                        They do not want to spend the time and resources . That is why they set it up as a sham rubberstamp deal. They make it with enough difficulty to give value to immigration attorneys who know what to and what not to put into these petitions. Remember who was in office when the VAWA rules (1996) in regard to the INS was put into effect? Who was head of the Justice Department and Social services at that time? They were lawyers.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by HelpVictim:
                          It appears though our legislatures are F***** DUMB. The VAWA Act clearly states that once a petitioner signs that, the DHS is not allowed to disclose about it to anyone. Not even the person against whom these fraudulent allegations are made.

                          So now where is our constitution to defend the accused. Under VAWA, you are guilty without having a chance to prove your self or provide counter evidence. USC are being burnt because of feminist rigged legal system and few A** H**** in DC who must have slept with the feminist movement organization and agreed to vote for the bill.

                          All rights of MEN are taken away and WOMEN are given a golden chance to screw MEN.
                          First, a VAWA claim is not a criminal or civil case, it is an administrative case for an adjustmment of process. So, the 4th and 14th amendments do not apply here, generally.

                          But generally speaking on those who have been abused, the victim of a domestic violence situation have no one to turn to, and the law, from their point of view will not help them. A victim of domestic violence will have severe depression, suicidal tendencies, not trusting anyone, including family and friends, easily manipulated, guilty, remorseful, and other psychological problems. Thus, their right to privacy must be held at any cost. To question their intent will only intensify some, if not all, of their psychological vulnerability. If they know the one who they believe is committing the domestic violence can get to htem, they will live in fear and probably become psychotic. Whgat most counselors pray for is not to have someone make false claims or extremely exaggerate their predicament, such as the Duke La Cross incident with that fiasco set back domestic violence for ten years or more. That is why DV shelters tead very softly in these kinds of situation. I challenge any man to spend at least a month in a DV shelter observing the abuses that occur. It is an eye opening experience.
                          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by HelpVictim:
                            Also, lot of folks here are stating that VAWA needs hard evidence. It does not. Please read the statues and filing requirements and you will know it. The supporters of VAWA have made it so much easier for women to falsely sign an affidavit stating she was abuse and uncle sam will readily give her Citizenship on a silver platter...oh no wait a minute on a Diamond Platter.
                            Hard evidence is the DV report, police reports, medical records, etc. These reports are not easily falsified, duplicated, or illegally obtained. Affidavits from friends and/or relatives either attest the petitioners characted or give details to the alleged event. The self petitioner's affidavit should be detailed on the specifics of the alleged event. It is not cakewalk. The immigration officer can and do investigate the petitioner's claim, interview the petitioner, and attempt to make the best available judgement. I am sorry for your situation, but see my pm on additional info.
                            "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by max-one:
                              "I wonder how difficult it would be to review one of these cases and see the entire chain of evidence."

                              They do not want to spend the time and resources . That is why they set it up as a sham rubberstamp deal. They make it with enough difficulty to give value to immigration attorneys who know what to and what not to put into these petitions. Remember who was in office when the VAWA rules (1996) in regard to the INS was put into effect? Who was head of the Justice Department and Social services at that time? They were lawyers.
                              I really do not care whether they were lawyers, Democrats, Republicans, etc. But to say it is a sham is an insult to anyone who bas been a victim of domestic violence. The most vulnerable are immigrant women who have abusive USC spouses. There is no excuse for domestic violence. None at all. But this link provides a good synopsis of the problems that that occured with immigrant women before 1994 and after.
                              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                              • #45
                                These victims of DV get what they deserve. As Porky (Sis) says, they should have seen the signs. If they are so abused, and American men are so abusive, why don't they return to their homelands to escape the tyranny of abuse in America? Men SHOULD abuse immigrant women; otherwise, as Porky (sis) says, they will be defrauded and accused of abuse anyway. What rationale is there to allow women to get green cards because they are abused? Won't they just encounter other abuse by the evil abusive men in America? Lets protect these women from American men by sending them home !!!

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