...talking about National Healthcare...!

[Brit4064]

There's a good idea Koller. While we're at it, take a look at the brains behind some of the greatest inventions & theory's of our time.

Louis Pasteur was French
Hans von Ohain and Sir Frank Whittle (jet engine)- German and British
Albert Einstein was German

And...

"As World War II drew to a close, U.S., UK, and Soviet military and scientific teams raced to capture technology and trained personnel from the German facility at Peenemünde. The United Kingdom and the Soviet Union had some success, but the United States arguably benefited most, taking a large number of German rocket scientists — many of them members of the Nazi Party, including von Braun — from Germany to the United States as part of Operation Paperclip"

The Space Race

Seems the USA has benefited greatly from foreign contributors over the years. That isn't to say the US hasn't had homegrown success too. One that springs to mind is J. Robert Oppenheimer.

[Brit4064]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It isn't without some merit. The fact is, many U.S. trained doctors and nurses feel the 'quality' of imports is substandard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't see how they come to this conclusion. The average length of time to qualify as a GP or family doctor in UK is about 10yrs. 5yrs in University for a Medical Degree, another 2yrs Post-Graduate experience in a working hospital and then another 3yrs of further specialized training before being allowed to be a GP Registrar

Privatehealthcare.co.uk (see, they do have private healthcare too LOL).

Now for the USA comparison...

2-3yrs of Pre-med school followed by a 4yr Medical Degree to become an M.D.

Medical Education in the USA

That means an extra 3yrs of training in UK vs USA hmmm...

[Brit4064]

Watch out there's gonna be more of those "substandard" doctor imports on the way LOL...

Family medicine is what Doug Dreffer has wanted to practice ever since he was a second-year medical student 14 years ago at Ohio State. He listened to a different drummer from the majority of doctors entering a workforce in which subspecialties generally are considered more glamorous — and lucrative.

"All the **** shows on TV are about ER work or surgeons," Dreffer says. "Grey's Anatomy. ER. Whatever it may be. There is no Marcus Welby on TV — 'cause it's just not cool."

Doctor shortage looms as primary care loses its pull

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It isn't without some merit. The fact is, many U.S. trained doctors and nurses feel the 'quality' of imports is substandard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't see how they come to this conclusion. The average length of time to qualify as a GP or family doctor in UK is about 10yrs. 5yrs in University for a Medical Degree, another 2yrs Post-Graduate experience in a working hospital and then another 3yrs of further specialized training before being allowed to be a GP Registrar

Privatehealthcare.co.uk (see, they do have private healthcare too LOL).

Now for the USA comparison...

2-3yrs of Pre-med school followed by a 4yr Medical Degree to become an M.D.

Medical Education in the USA

That means an extra 3yrs of training in UK vs USA hmmm... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Europeans don't focus on the Buck, they focus on science and that doesn't only include medical science. These people do actually have time to think about their studies and not on where the next Buck is coming from and/or how to pay for school.

[Brit4064]

True and it kinda says it all in that USA Today article:

Family medicine is what Doug Dreffer has wanted to practice ever since he was a second-year medical student 14 years ago at Ohio State. He listened to a different drummer from the majority of doctors entering a workforce in which subspecialties generally are considered more glamorous — and lucrative .

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
They didn't claim party affiliation did they? It is very wrong to assume they were republicans just because they don't like socialist medicine. Before anyone throws darts, lets be sure the target. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There may have not been an affiliation per se, but this country only has two parties. So, whether it's the far right or the far left, it is either Republican or Democrats.

Even if ist stupid Rs or stupid Ds, they still speak for the party.

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
There's a good idea Koller. While we're at it, take a look at the brains behind some of the greatest inventions & theory's of our time.

Louis Pasteur was French
Hans von Ohain and Sir Frank Whittle (jet engine)- German and British
Albert Einstein was German

And...

"As World War II drew to a close, U.S., UK, and Soviet military and scientific teams raced to capture technology and trained personnel from the German facility at Peenemünde. The United Kingdom and the Soviet Union had some success, but the United States arguably benefited most, taking a large number of German rocket scientists — many of them members of the Nazi Party, including von Braun — from Germany to the United States as part of Operation Paperclip"

The Space Race

Seems the USA has benefited greatly from foreign contributors over the years. That isn't to say the US hasn't had homegrown success too. One that springs to mind is J. Robert Oppenheimer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait there're more of these socialist dummies:

Pascal - Computer (French)
Luminier - Camera (French)
Roentgen - X-ray (German)
Hoffmann - Aspirin (German)
Morse - Morse code (German)
Zeis - Lenses (microscope - medicine wouldn't be anything without it
v. Siemens - TTY ...today leader in all that encompases digital imaging especially cancer

[Brit4064]

Notice how many are German too. Those Germans sure know science and engineering.

[ProudUSC]

This guy points out some of the reasons behind the public uproar about the proposed health care reform.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...ts.health/index.html

Commentary: Obama team flip-flops are showing

updated 1 hour, 14 minutes ago

By Ruben Navarrette Jr.

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- In order to diagnose what ails President Obama's push for health care reform, we need less heated rhetoric and more "Cool Hand Luke."

In a memorable line from the 1967 film, a prison warden surmises: "What we've got here is ... failure to communicate."

You can have the most popular cause, the best intentions, and the strongest ideas. But if you can't share with the rest of us exactly what you want to do and don't want to do, your agenda will wind up in intensive care.

In the latest sign of trouble, Democratic leaders in Congress are now working on a legislative strategy to get the most controversial parts of health care reform through both the House and Senate without Republican votes.

Brilliant. You know who'd really love that idea? Republicans. They see Obama-care as toxic with voters, and they don't want their fingerprints on it. Republicans would like nothing better than to have Democrats go it alone.

But who cares what Republicans want? The Obama-adoring media is all-to-eager to blame the current stalemate on Republican opposition. Whatever. The GOP's paltry share of congressional seats makes it irrelevant to this debate and, probably, to most others.

Obama's problem is his own party. The president is learning that herding donkeys is like herding cats, and that the extremes -- on the far right and far left -- can't be reasoned with. If he tries to please the conservative blue dogs, he loses the liberal yellow dogs. And vice versa.

All the more reason that the Obama administration has to speak clearly and with one voice. It's both sad and ironic that an administration that in its first 100 days had a tight grip on the script and kept everyone on message can't seem to keep its health care reform narrative straight from day to day.

The sticking point is the so-called public option which would provide a government-funded alternative to private health insurance. That scares the daylights out of a lot of people who don't have a lot of confidence in government efficiency and who worry that private companies can't compete with Uncle Sam so employees will be pushed by their employers into the public option whether they want to go there or not.

So what does President Obama do? He makes matters worse. He tries to argue that private companies can in fact compete with the government, and he winds up needing a special operation to remove his foot from his mouth.

"I mean, if you think about it," Obama told a town hall audience, "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

Nice, Mr. President. This year, don't expect to get your Christmas cards delivered before Easter. In trying to address the concern about competition, Obama wound up feeding the concern that going from private to public will automatically mean a decrease in the quality of service. iReport.com: "Centrist" Obama is "M.I.A."

Worse, the administration is afflicted with a near debilitating case of the flip-flops. In an attempt to placate the blue dogs, who are increasingly squeamish about supporting anything that could undermine private insurance, Obama said Saturday that the "public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform." The next day, in a television interview, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said a public option is "not an essential element" of overhauling the health care system.

Those comments, which were interpreted by most pundits and political observers as the administration backing away from support for a public option, sent the far left into cardiac arrest. So they turned up the heat. The head of a powerful labor union even put Democrats on notice that it would be, in future elections, open season on anyone who supported a health care reform plan that doesn't include a public option. Was that a threat? To quote you-know-who: "You betcha!"

So the administration flipped again. Earlier this week, Sebelius insisted that she didn't really say what she said and that "we continue to support the public option." White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs also tried to triage the situation by saying that Obama and Sebelius still think a public option is the way to keep costs in check but that they are open to other ideas. Glad they cleared that up.

Does anyone have something for a headache?

[Brit4064]

I don't know where you are hearing the 'quality' of imports is substandard davdah. That's rubbish and you know it. You're just using it to try and prove a political right wing point. It doesn't work sorry. Go to UK and see the quality firsthand before spouting off junk like this.

[Robin Horton]

Brit why do the British have such horrible teeth? In the 90's I wondered if they even had dentists in England. Did they? Do they?

I've never been to England so I have no clue.

[Robin Horton]

Let's see the genetic gene pool that is so far superior once fell for the rhetoric of a man.

But thankfully as Dav pointed out we were there to save the Brits from speaking German. Talk about lack of gratitude or respect for a nation that once saved your countrymen.

[Sprint_girl07]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
Brit why do the British have such horrible teeth? In the 90's I wondered if they even had dentists in England. Did they? Do they?

I've never been to England so I have no clue. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A joke that came from some video I believe and then that rumor (stigma) kind of got stuck by Americans.

No, it isn't true.

It's like asking you if it is true that all Americans are lazy and obese. See my point.

[Robin Horton]

No generics for me either.

Insults rather than reality. Manipulation of facts is rather easy. I can show you a graph and either make it look great or look really BAD. Wanna play the number's game?

One must only open their eyes to see what is going on.

[Brit4064]

Davdah, I've never said that the US doctors aren't well trained. They are..and so are UK and other European ones. I just wish the scaremongering and mis-information that's going around now aimed against "social medicine" stopped. It's just not true. It smacks of radical right wing fringe tactics. The Palin "death panel" approach.