...talking about National Healthcare...!

[Brit4064]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Brit,
Do you think most Brits would be scared if the UK government says, We will give everybody a gun. You choose which gun you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Back in the early 1980's Maggie Thatcher proposed a law which would have allowed people to opt out of paying NHS contributions which most saw as a way of private healthcare taking over the NHS. It failed. The same sort of arguments now here are similar to those then.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In the private sector the plan you choose may or may not have a ceiling </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right davdah but you neglect to mention those are the so-called Cadillac policies with premiums of $3,000 pm or more. Few can afford those so they come out with the 80/20 ones with a ceiling on $1m typically.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We can't have all these people needing operations roaming the streets who have been turned down by the panels </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think happens now with private insurance companies (pre-existing conditions)? Where do they end up going? To the State-run hospitals, not-for-profit organizations or abroad to Canada etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Death camps of one sort or another will be constructed to isolate those not able to justify their very life. Produce or perish, that will be the new moto. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the Repubs liked hard work and earning your own way?

[Brit4064]

Tort reform could be part of a solution but alone it won't reduce the cost by as much as you say, if at all. Remember the push by Bush to "reform" Malpractice lawsuits?

One of his big concerns was that the high awards and "frivolous" lawsuits were driving out doctors from the business. Note what the GAO said at the time:

But here's what the non-partisan U.S. Government Accountability Office has said about these claims: "In the five ["crisis"] states with reported problems ... we determined that many of the reported provider actions taken in response to malpractice pressures were not substantiated or did not widely affect access to health care. For example, some reports of physicians relocating to other states, retiring, or closing practices were not accurate or involved relatively few physicians." (Source: United States General Accounting Office, "Medical Malpractice: Implications of Rising Premiums on Access to Health Care," GAO-03-836, August 2003.)

Bush Medical Malpractice Caps Draconian

[MakeItRight!]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That reform never went anywhere. The problem is the lawyers control both sides of the argument. Can anyone name one lawsuit that ended cheaply for all sides? I can't. In most cases even if something could be settled easily one or more lawyers will fan the litigation flames. They always do </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Game! Lawyers = Dead soul! Manipulate and Create extended Activity. sepperate each legal Action into many parts. Recouping 5K Costs 10k!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Things they WILL change!!! The greed and corruption Must be attended to.

[Brit4064]

I had to laugh at this. Love the line "trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table." LOL

Barney Frank to Protester: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

[Brit4064]

And Bill Maher Is health insurance companies making a profit really a good idea?

[MakeItRight!]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
I had to laugh at this. Love the line "trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table." LOL

Barney Frank to Protester: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the riddles no choice! spend more Time listening, watching, Listening With not only your Ears, Your heart and Soul!!! Individuals Rule!!! Just Make Sure You see Everything!!!

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
I had to laugh at this. Love the line "trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table." LOL

Barney Frank to Protester: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the case of Barney, you have to wonder. Maybe he has issues with wood, and things you do with tables. Who would think of such an analogy? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like that analogy too. Just immagine one arguing with an empty dining room table. It's the same as "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there - does it make noise"?

[Brit4064]

A new low in the healthcare debate...

Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health System

What a right-wingNUT! The Repubs would be wise to distance themselves from this kind of display.

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
A new low in the healthcare debate...

Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health System

What a right-wingNUT! The Repubs would be wise to distance themselves from this kind of display. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, Wow, Wow!! What is one to say to something like this?

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
It isn't just republicans calling this wrong. It has little to do with political affiliation. More so about people's sense of responsibility versus entitlement. That person was not likely a repub anyhow, more than likely a plant from the far left. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the Barney townhall, wasn't there a whole group accociated under that Hitler banner? Didn't the woman arguing with Barney hold a picture with a defamed Obama? I don't think the Repubs can distance themselves anymore. They gonna have to answer to that.

I'd say Time to split up!

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
A new low in the healthcare debate...

Woman Shouts "Heil Hitler!" At Jewish Man Praising Israel's National Health System

What a right-wingNUT! The Repubs would be wise to distance themselves from this kind of display.


Wow, Wow, Wow!! What is one to say to something like this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was also thinking: her or them shouting "Heil Hitler" they for sure don't know what the say -if they would, they wouldn't Hale Hitler.

God help them for they don't know what they do!

[Brit4064]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It isn't just republicans calling this wrong. It has little to do with political affiliation. More so about people's sense of responsibility versus entitlement. That person was not likely a repub anyhow, more than likely a plant from the far left. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To some degree that's true but the Repubs do seem to be more vocal on the opposition. I doubt a plant from the left..maybe from the right though? Recall this from last years campaign..

Woman calls Obama an Arab at Rally - McCain condems talk

Where's the leadership to stop this kind of talk?

The woman just isn't all there. Wearing an Israeli Defense Forces T-shirt and shouting "Heil Hitler"?? Does she even know that the Jews were persecuted and killed in Germany during WW2? What a NUT.

What worries me more is some fringe nutter with a gun out there starts popping off a few shots or starts a fight. Both parties should be distancing themselves from this kind of behavior. I think the free speech argument is being tested to its limit.

[HBKHBK]

I am originally from Germany and I always love anyone that is not from germany,especially those right wing nuts here in our country the U.S.A., when they yell,like that lady did
"heil hitler" or hold a pic of hitels face, I would love to ask her on national tv "what does heil hitler mean,my dumb american friend?" lol and I garantee you,like most americans and even most anyone,they wouldn't know the answer lol ignorance is very high in this country.

I also love the fact that how most uneducated americans think "social" or "socialism" is something terrible and bad and think its like russia lol

Plus most of them never even been to a social country,nor did they ever live,nor have a passport lol

I enjoy it though when they say "socialism"

Ever notice the people having on the car sticker saying "out of a job yet? keep buying foreign?" those are the same people who shop at walmart - thats how intelligent these folks are lol

[Brit4064]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also love the fact that how most uneducated americans think "social" or "socialism" is something terrible and bad and think its like russia lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HBKHBK Have you not yet noticed they all watch Fox News, sorry Faux News? LOL

[Kollerkrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also love the fact that how most uneducated americans think "social" or "socialism" is something terrible and bad and think its like russia lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HBKHBK Have you not yet noticed they all watch Fox News, sorry Faux News? LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They do! I work with some "conserves" here. Recently told them - upon a discussion - that, the more they watch the less they know. They got upset and pounded on CNN and MSNBC. I guess the truth does hurt!

But, I just had this great idea. Let's compile a list of all drug or other medical inventions in the 20th century that benefited the world as a whole and see how many of them were developed in capitalism vs. in social democracy or other politic system.

Oh boy, this is gonna be so fun!