...talking about National Healthcare...!

[Brit4064]

Preventative healthcare costs more according to some. Well here's one section of society where just such a thing could save money:

Seniors Add To Health Care Bill By Falling Down
Reducing preventable falls would reduce injuries and costs

One of the major health problems facing senior citizens may be preventable. Government statistics show that every day elderly Americans fall and are injured. Those falls usually results to trips to the emergency room and contribute to a significant portion of the nation's health care bill.

consumeraffairs.com

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Personally all media are useful idiots. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't have said it better myself - lol!!!

[Hudson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
Faux News "Distorting Not Reporting"

The hostility between the Fox News Channel and its television news competitors, usually barely submerged, exploded into open recriminations Friday over a newspaper advertisement in which Fox accused its competitors of missing the story of the so-called antitax protests in Washington last Saturday.

All of the other networks named — CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, NBC News and CBS News — issued statements and details about the extent of their coverage. The networks accused Fox News, a channel with a reputation for having a conservative point of view in much of its programming, of putting blatantly false information in the ad, which ran in three papers: The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post and The New York Post.

NYT.com

Rich Sanchez lashes out...

CNN's Rick Sanchez tears into Fox News for 'lie'

"You lie!" Faux News LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This scuffle has been brewing for several weeks now with the major news networks getting caught with its britches down. It was Fox, right, wrong, or indifferent, that broke the story on Van Jones and ACORN. All of the news organizations simply dropped it for whatever reason.

The problem is all major news networks have some bias. But the media's love with Obama has shonwn on more than one occassion and it could be argued that the media, generally, are giving a free pass to the President on some very difficult issues. I have been particularily disappointed that the media is giving way too much coverage to anyone who has a Nazi sign with Obama or Bush on it. Personally all media are useful idiots.

[Brit4064]

Faux News "Distorting Not Reporting"

The hostility between the Fox News Channel and its television news competitors, usually barely submerged, exploded into open recriminations Friday over a newspaper advertisement in which Fox accused its competitors of missing the story of the so-called antitax protests in Washington last Saturday.

All of the other networks named — CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, NBC News and CBS News — issued statements and details about the extent of their coverage. The networks accused Fox News, a channel with a reputation for having a conservative point of view in much of its programming, of putting blatantly false information in the ad, which ran in three papers: The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post and The New York Post.

NYT.com

Rich Sanchez lashes out...

CNN's Rick Sanchez tears into Fox News for 'lie'

"You lie!" Faux News LOL

[Sprint_girl07]

There is a real bad smell around here. A bull must have dropped by

Davah, I guess she needs to find yet another angle. Poor thing lmao!

[Hudson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by frenchybee:
public option is not free- its another name for single payer
which in and out of itself means you are paying for it
it's just subsidized by the govt partially to help pay the costs
and as soon as the market funtions properly again the costs for prosthetic etc are going to be lowered
by the very magic wand of free market you love so much (and moi aussi!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, so the public option will fix what exactly in the health care industry? Deos it solve the core problems within the health care industyr?

I will give you a hint, the problems are not exactly with private insurance compannies, nor with the high premiums. Now, can you guess really what the issues are?

[Sprint_girl07]

Oh and one last thing..

The last I heard the U.S, Supreme Court is the final authority on Constitutional Law....Not A retired "instructor".

An opinion of the Supreme Court is beyond argument, because the Justices have found truth in the text of The Constitution.

[Sprint_girl07]

Taken from a website:

Response

Hey, thanks for sending that email my way.

It's nuts how many rumors are swirling around out there about the health bills. It's hard to know which ones are true and which ones are just crazy internet rumors.

If this one were true, I'd be pretty upset - so I decided to see if I could find out for myself.

It seems the email originated as a blog post by Michael Connolly, who claims to be a "Constitutional Law Instructor." That's very misleading. Mr. Connolly doesn't actually work at a university or law school, but gives lessons online at www.ed2go.com whose motto is: "Learn it on Tuesday, Use it on Wednesday!" I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty shady to me.

That's like me claiming to be a pro football coach because I have a fantasy football team.

Check out his page: http://www.ed2go.com/cgi-bin/o...ss&aw=yyy&course=cl1

As for the content of his blog post, it seems as if the fake professor is using fake information.

The email claimed health reform would lead to rationing of health services, especially for seniors. That's not true. I came across a well-researched article in Newsweek that calls this a "lie" simply intended to scare people into opposing reform. You can read it yourself: http://www.newsweek.com/id/212131/page/2

The email also says the bills would provide free health care for illegal immigrants. Again, this is a blatant lie. The bill itself even states "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens." You can see for yourself on page 143 http://edlabor.house.gov/docum...-BillText-071409.pdf

The email also says reform would result in a "government takeover" of health care. That's not true either. I found a website called FactCheck.org that looks at this assertion & flat out debunks it. The government would not make medical decisions or force American patients to do anything they didn't want to - it would just give people to option to purchase a reasonably priced health insurance plan. That's it.

The website wrote that "Obama has long said he would allow individuals or small businesses to buy insurance through a public plan - like the one now available to members of Congress. But nobody would be forced to drop his or her current insurance, and private plans would exist as they do now." You can read more at http://www.factcheck.org/2009/...ent-run-health-care/

As for "Professor" Connolly's claim that health care reform is unconstitutional, that's also wrong. This interpretation of the 10th amendment is an extremist view held by people who believe almost everything is unconstitutional. They think the same thing about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the federal highway system, rules regulating airplane safety and anti-discrimination laws.

In reality, the Constitution gives congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises" and to "provide for....the general welfare of the United States." It also allows Congress "to regulate commerce... among the several states." Health care is a huge part of our nation's economy, and definitely falls under the interstate commerce clause of the constitution.

If you want to find more information on this, I found some great websites:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/...nn-unconstitutional/

http://prospect.org/cs/article...he_true_constitution

I think by now you can see that pretty much every part of this email is a lie. So hopefully that helps put your mind at ease.

Have a good week.
–Media Matters Action Network

source



I will also see what else there is from real Constitutional gurus.

[Sprint_girl07]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
Sprint you never responded. Maybe this will clear it up for you.



Subject: FW: After reading the whole health care bill ....







The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly,
Ret. Constitutional Attorney 08.24.09

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed
House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it
with particular emphasis from my area of expertise,20constitutional law. I was
frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed
might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard
or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and
its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media
are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly
where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health
care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced
participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance
companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All
decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal
bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital
admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical
devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the
surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no
intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a
convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive
Branch of government that has ever oc
curred, or even been contemplated. If
this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of
the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance
of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the
U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama
Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the
American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress
doesn?t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with.
I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any
authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees
of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information,
your personal financial information, and the information of your employer,
physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific
provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against
unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to
privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the
3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have h
ealthcare insurance or if you have
private insurance that is not deemed ´acceptable to the ´Health Choices
Administrator appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is
called a ´tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of
the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work
because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or
appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of
property without the ´due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far
left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are
effectively nullified by this law. It doesn?t stop there though. The 9th
Amendment that provides: ´The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain
rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people; The 10th Amendment states: ´The powers not delegated to the United
States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved
to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this
piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going
to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I
think you get
the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing
power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members
of both houses of Congress to ´be bound by oath or affirmation¡ to support
the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote
for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that
sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the
American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest
they consult the source.

Here is a link to the Constitution:http://www.archives.gov/ex
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/ex&gt; hibits/charters/constituti
on_transcript.html
&lt;http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htm
l&gt; &gt;

And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/ex
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/ex&gt; hibits/charters/bill_of_ri
ghts_transcript.html
&lt;http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.h
tml&gt; &gt;

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken
from us.

Michael Connelly

Retired attorney,

Constitutional Law Instructor

Carrollton , Texas </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Well Robin, I haven't read all of it and I am no lawyer so, I have found some information for you from someone who knows a bit more.

Whoever is right, it is interesting to see someone else make comment on this:..so my next post will explain:

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Proudie is a liar, she never went to college (I talked to her in private for some time and there was never any mention of college). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

University of MD University College 1984. Double major. Business and English!!!!!!! Keep pushing the buttons here, Iperson. You want that picture you sent posted here? No? I didn't think so.

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have nothing but an utmost disgust for the majority of regular posters on this board. I have a life and much to do, so why would I waste my precious time using another id here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So the solution is very simple. Go away and don't come back. You think anyone missed you while you were gone? Nope. You weren't even a blip on anyone's radar screen. Be gone, little girl. And take Frenchybee and all your other alters with you.

[ProudUSC]

Lol, just too funny. We are the weird ones? We are not the ones talking to ourselves on the forum.

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
BA in Business.

Here

Here

an Here.

Non-existent degree programs? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Mine is definitely a Bachelor of Science. I think it had something to do with the number of credits I had for my major. Anyway, I worked with a student advisor and that is the route they told me to take vs. the BA. But, it's good to know I'm not a liar.

[Robin Horton]

Sprint you never responded. Maybe this will clear it up for you.



Subject: FW: After reading the whole health care bill ....







The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly,
Ret. Constitutional Attorney 08.24.09

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed
House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it
with particular emphasis from my area of expertise,20constitutional law. I was
frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed
might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard
or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and
its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media
are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly
where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health
care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced
participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance
companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All
decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal
bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital
admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical
devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the
surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no
intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a
convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive
Branch of government that has ever oc
curred, or even been contemplated. If
this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of
the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance
of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the
U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama
Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the
American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress
doesn?t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with.
I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any
authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees
of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information,
your personal financial information, and the information of your employer,
physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific
provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against
unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to
privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the
3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have h
ealthcare insurance or if you have
private insurance that is not deemed ´acceptable to the ´Health Choices
Administrator appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is
called a ´tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of
the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work
because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or
appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of
property without the ´due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far
left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are
effectively nullified by this law. It doesn?t stop there though. The 9th
Amendment that provides: ´The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain
rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people; The 10th Amendment states: ´The powers not delegated to the United
States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved
to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this
piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going
to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to
control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I
think you get
the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing
power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members
of both houses of Congress to ´be bound by oath or affirmation¡ to support
the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote
for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that
sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the
American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest
they consult the source.

Here is a link to the Constitution:http://www.archives.gov/ex
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/ex&gt; hibits/charters/constituti
on_transcript.html
&lt;http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htm
l&gt; &gt;

And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/ex
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/ex&gt; hibits/charters/bill_of_ri
ghts_transcript.html
&lt;http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html
&lt;blockedhttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.h
tml&gt; &gt;

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken
from us.

Michael Connelly

Retired attorney,

Constitutional Law Instructor

Carrollton , Texas

[ProudUSC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Then I didn't tell you - lol!!!! Haven't shared much with most on this forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are pathetic Betsy. Your brain is too small to graduate from high school, not mentioning college. You're too dumb to think on your own.
Teabagger! Rotflmao! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have such a good memory? Guess not since you can't even get my name right.

I could care less if you believe me. And I already told you I don't like tea - lmao, Frenchybee!