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  • Brit4064
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    davdah, I can't believe you said "pull the plug". If they did that he would quite likely die. All to save the company money?? Isn't that the private insurance equvalent of the "death panels" you Repubs go on about??

    According to his Facebook page, their father took out the Guardian policy in 1981 so that's 28yrs of premium payments. That's $112,000 over the years assuming $4k per year.

    This is why a public option is needed as private companies will eventually try to get rid of the high cost patients.

    You complain about how much it's costing you. Guardian has say 100,000 insured. The public option would cover 300,000 million. Spreading the load over the many will make it cheaper for all in the end.

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  • SonofMichael
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    I hold dogs in higher regard.

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  • SonofMichael
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    "In a statement, Guardian's president Dennis Manning admitted the company was wrong.

    "Insurance companies are comprised of human beings and sometimes we make mistakes. This was one of them, but we also learn from those mistakes and we seek to correct them," Manning said."

    - AND government NEVER makes mistakes; that is your claim ! If you really truly believe that Government never makes mistake, then you are hopeless !!! The issue is not if mistakes are ever made, but who makes less mistakes? Who is more efficient? - Government or People? I trust in people, not in government !

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  • Brit4064
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    Despite a couple of idiot posters who are most definitely in the minority on this issue, Guardian decided to reverse their decision

    Insurance company reverses decision to pull coverage from disabled man

    WASHINGTON (CNN) - Disabled and suffering from muscular dystrophy, Ian Pearl was just weeks away from losing his health insurance.

    His New York-based carrier, Guardian Insurance, had canceled Pearl's family policy as part of a company decision to drop scores of its older small group plans in three states.

    But after a public outcry over Guardian's decision, the company announced Thursday it is reversing its decision and restoring Pearl's policy.

    CNN article

    Amazing what bad publicity can do

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  • OldE
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
    ok..OldE goes on my ignore list. A flippant reply from a f*cking idiot! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    A typical irresponsible Ian supporter responce.

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    And even the United States had a time when they had FREE psychiatric clinics until massive abuse was uncovered by the free press (ie. Fox News) But Health care reform will fix that ! No choice for you ! No choices; No Fox News !

    (Pilgrim State Psychiatric Center)

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    And Soviets had a great health care system as well; FREE !!! A great model for America to follow !

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    Nazi Germany had free health care also ! Look at this happy group of campers in a government run health care clinic. And it was FREE !!! Change they believed in !

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    Yes; Trust Government; Government always has your best interests at heart !!!!
    Always has ; always will !!

    These figures include deaths of civilians from diseases, famine, atrocities etc. as well as deaths of soldiers in battle.

    This is an incomplete list of wars.

    60,000,000–72,000,000 - World War II (1939–1945), (see World War II casualties)[68][69]
    36,000,000 - An Shi Rebellion (China, 755–763)[citation needed]
    30,000,000–60,000,000 - Mongol Conquests (13th century) (see Mongol invasions and Tatar invasions)[70][71][72][73]
    25,000,000 - Qing dynasty conquest of Ming dynasty (1616–1662)[74]
    20,000,000 - World War I (1914–1918) (see World War I casualties)[75]
    20,000,000 - Taiping Rebellion (China, 1851–1864) (see ****an revolt)[76]
    20,000,000 - Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945)[77]
    10,000,000 - Warring States Era (China, 475 BC–221 BC)
    7,000,000 - 20,000,000 Conquests of Timur the Lame (1360-1405)[78][79]
    5,000,000–9,000,000 - Russian Civil War and Foreign Intervention (1917–1921)[80]
    5,000,000 - Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia (1882- 1898)[81][82]
    3,800,000 - 5,400,000 - Second Congo War (1998–2007)[83][84][85]
    3,500,000–6,000,000 - Napoleonic Wars (1804–1815) (see Napoleonic Wars casualties)
    3,000,000–11,500,000 - Thirty Years' War (1618–1648)[86]
    3,000,000–7,000,000 - Yellow Turban Rebellion (China, 184–205)
    2,500,000–3,500,000 - Korean War (1950–1953) (see Cold War)[87]
    2,300,000–3,800,000 - Vietnam War (entire war 1945–1975)
    300,000–1,300,000 - First Indochina War (1945–1954)
    100,000–300,000 - Vietnamese Civil War (1954–1960)
    1,750,000–2,100,000 - American phase (1960–1973)
    170,000 - Final phase (1973–1975)
    175,000–1,150,000 - Secret War (1962–1975)
    2,000,000–4,000,000 - Huguenot Wars [88]
    2,000,000 - Shaka's conquests (1816-1828)[89]
    2,000,000 - Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India (1000-1027)[90]
    300,000–3,000,000[91] - Bangladesh Liberation War (1971)
    1,500,000–2,000,000 - Afghan Civil War (1979-)
    1,000,000–1,500,000 Soviet intervention (1979–1989)
    1,300,000–6,100,000 - Chinese Civil War (1928–1949) note that this figure excludes World War II casualties
    300,000–3,100,000 before 1937
    1,000,000–3,000,000 after World War II
    1,000,000–2,000,000 - Mexican Revolution (1910–1920)[92]
    1,000,000 - Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988)[93]
    1,000,000 - Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598)[94]
    1,000,000 - Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2005)
    1,000,000 - Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970)
    618,000[95] - 970,000 - American Civil War (including 350,000 from disease) (1861–1865)
    900,000–1,000,000 - Mozambique Civil War (1976–1993)
    868,000[96] - 1,400,000[97] - Seven Years' War (1756-1763)
    800,000 - 1,000,000 - Rwandan Civil War (1990-1994)
    800,000 - Congo Civil War (1991–1997)
    600,000 to 1,300,000 - First Jewish-Roman War (see List of Roman wars)
    580,000 - Bar Kokhba’s revolt (132–135CE)
    570,000 - Eritrean War of Independence (1961-1991)
    550,000 - Somali Civil War (1988- )
    500,000 - 1,000,000 - Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)
    500,000 - Angolan Civil War (1975–2002)
    500,000 - Ugandan Civil War (1979–1986)
    400,000–1,000,000 - War of the Triple Alliance in Paraguay (1864–1870)
    400,000 - War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714)
    371,000 - Continuation War (1941-1944)
    350,000 - Great Northern War (1700-1721)[98]
    315,000 - 735,000 - Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639-1651) English campaign ~40,000, Scottish 73,000, Irish 200,000-620,000[99]
    300,000 - Russian-Circassian War (1763-1864) (see Caucasian War)
    300,000 - First Burundi Civil War (1972)
    300,000 - Darfur conflict (2003-)
    270,000–300,000 - Crimean War (1854–1856)
    255,000-1,120,000 - Philippine-American War (1898-1913)
    230,000–1,400,000 - Ethiopian Civil War (1974–1991)
    224,000 - Balkan Wars, includes both wars (1912-1913)
    220,000 - Liberian Civil War (1989 - )
    217,000 - 1,124,303 - War on Terror (9/11/2001-Present)[citation needed]
    200,000 - 1,000,000[100][101] - Albigensian Crusade (1208-1259)
    200,000–800,000 - Warlord era in China (1917–1928)
    200,000 - Second Punic War (BC218-BC204) (see List of Roman battles)
    200,000 - Sierra Leone Civil War (1991–2000)
    200,000 - Algerian Civil War (1991- )[102][103]
    200,000 - Guatemalan Civil War (1960–1996)
    190,000 - Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871)
    180,000 - 300,000 - La Violencia (1948-1958)
    170,000 - Greek War of Independence (1821-1829)
    150,000 - Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990)
    150,000 - North Yemen Civil War (1962–1970)
    150,000 - Russo-Japanese War (1904–1905)
    148,000-1,000,000 - Winter War (1939)
    125,000 - Eritrean-Ethiopian War (1998–2000)
    120,000 - 384,000 Great Turkish War (1683-1699) (see Ottoman-Habsburg wars)
    120,000 - Third Servile War (BC73-BC71)
    117,000 - 500,000 - Revolt in the Vendée (1793-1796)
    103,359+ - 1,136,920+ - Invasion and Occupation of Iraq (2003-Present)
    101,000 - 115,000 - Arab-Israeli conflict (1929- )
    100,500 - Chaco War (1932–1935)
    100,000 - 1,000,000 - War of the two brothers (1531–1532)
    100,000 - 400,000 - Western New Guinea (1984 - ) (see Genocide in West Papua)
    100,000 - 200,000 - Indonesian invasion of East Timor (1975-1978)
    100,000 - Persian Gulf War (1991)
    100,000–1,000,000 - Algerian War of Independence (1954–1962)
    100,000 - Thousand Days War (1899–1901)
    100,000 - Peasants' War (1524-1525)[104]
    97,207 - Bosnian War (1992-1995)[105]
    80,000 - Third Punic War (BC149-BC146)
    75,000 - 200,000? - Conquests of Alexander the Great (BC336-BC323)
    75,000 - El Salvador Civil War (1980–1992)
    75,000 - Second Boer War (1898–1902)
    70,000 - Boudica's uprising (AD60-AD61)
    69,000 - Internal conflict in Peru (1980- )
    60,000 - Sri Lanka/Tamil conflict (1983-2009)
    60,000 - Nicaraguan Rebellion (1972-91)
    55,000 - War of the Pacific (1879-1885)
    50,000 - 200,000 - First Chechen War (1994–1996)
    50,000 - 100,000 - Tajikistan Civil War (1992–1997)
    50,000 - Wars of the Roses (1455-1485) (see Wars involving England)
    45,000 - Greek Civil War (1945-1949)
    41,000–100,000 - Kashmiri insurgency (1989- )
    36,000 - Finnish Civil War (1918)
    35,000 - 40,000 - War of the Pacific (1879–1884)
    35,000 - 45,000 - Siege of Malta (1565) (see Ottoman wars in Europe)
    30,000 - Turkey/PKK conflict (1984- )
    30,000 - Sino-Vietnamese War (1979)
    ~28,000 - 1982 Lebanon War (1982)
    25,000 - Second Chechen War (1999 - present)[106]
    25,000 - American Revolutionary War (1775-1783)
    23,384 - Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 (December 1971)
    23,000 - Nagorno-Karabakh War (1988-1994)
    20,000 - 49,600 U.S. Invasion of Afghanistan (2001–2002)
    19,000+ - Mexican–American War (1846-1848)
    14,000+ - Six-Day War (1967)
    15,000–20,000 - Croatian War of Independence (1991–1995)
    11,053 - Malayan Emergency (1948-1960)
    11,000 - Spanish-American War (1898)
    10,000 - Amadu's Jihad (1810-1818)
    10,000 - Halabja poison gas attack (1988)
    7,264–10,000 - Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 (August-September 1965)
    7,000–24,000 - American War of 1812 (1812-1815)
    7,000 - Kosovo War (1996–1999) (disputed)
    5,000 - Turkish invasion of Cyprus (1974)
    4,588 - Sino-Indian War (1962)
    4,000 - Waziristan War (2004-2006)
    4,000 - Irish Civil War (1922-23)
    3,000 - Civil war in Côte d'Ivoire (2002-2007)
    2,899 - New Zealand Land Wars (1845-1872)
    2,604–7,000 - Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 (October 1947-December 1948)
    2,000 - Football War (1969)
    2,000 - Irish War of Independence (1919-21)
    1,975–4,500+ - violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (2000 -)
    1,724 - War of Lapland (1945)
    1,500 - Romanian Revolution (December 1989)
    ~1,500 - 2006 Lebanon War
    ~1,400 - Gaza War (December 2008 - January 2009)
    1,000 - Zapatista uprising in Chiapas (1994)
    907 - Falklands War (1982)
    62 - Slovenian Independence War (1991)

    The Government has your best interest in mind !!

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  • Brit4064
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    ok..OldE goes on my ignore list. A flippant reply from a f*cking idiot!

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  • OldE
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
    1st - We don't know why he got sick
    2nd - How can his family support him without access to medical care??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am sure he willfully inflicted that muscle dystrophy upon himself. Probably fraudster had Munchausen syndrome and destroyed his own muscles to gain some attention and free care.

    As to his immediate family, once they decided not to support him they could have at least threw him off his wheelchair in the middle of busy highway and be done with it.
    But no, they decided to let him live and face all this misery!

    Now they blame insurance companies to avoid their own responsibilies...

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  • Brit4064
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    1st - We don't know why he got sick. It says on his Facebook site he has Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA), a type of Muscular Dystrophy. Chances are it wasn't avoidable.

    Ian Pearl's Facebook page

    2nd - How can his family support him without access to medical care??? Are they supposed to practice DIY care?

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  • OldE
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
    Still think private health insurance companies have your best interests at heart? Think again...

    Insurer under fire for cutting coverage

    Ian Pearl suffers from muscular dystrophy. He uses a wheelchair and a ventilator, and in less than a month and a half he’s scheduled to lose his health insurance.

    His insurance company, Guardian, decided to cancel a series of old policies in three states, leaving Ian without coverage. His family sued, and their lawyers discovered an internal company e-mail that referred to high cost policies like Ian’s as “dogs.”

    The company has apologized, but for now, they’re going forward with their policy cancellations. The Pearl family is appealing to the Obama administration for help – adding their voices to calls for health care reform.

    Once you start costing too much money, they'll find a way to pull the plug. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    From practical point of view not bad at all, provided world is already overpopulated.
    "Less dogs = more oxygen" they say in Nigeria (Senator Uzamere will confirm )

    On the other hand, for those like Ian, there clearly was a way to avoid it and they knew it was coming. First of all , why did he get sick?
    Second, responsibility still lies with his family who didn't throw him off the chair in the busy highway once they decided not to bear the burden of supporting him.

    Simple as that.

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  • Brit4064
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    Still think private health insurance companies have your best interests at heart? Think again...

    Insurer under fire for cutting coverage

    Ian Pearl suffers from muscular dystrophy. He uses a wheelchair and a ventilator, and in less than a month and a half he’s scheduled to lose his health insurance.

    His insurance company, Guardian, decided to cancel a series of old policies in three states, leaving Ian without coverage. His family sued, and their lawyers discovered an internal company e-mail that referred to high cost policies like Ian’s as “dogs.”

    The company has apologized, but for now, they’re going forward with their policy cancellations. The Pearl family is appealing to the Obama administration for help – adding their voices to calls for health care reform.

    Once you start costing too much money, they'll find a way to pull the plug.

    CNN article

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  • ProudUSC
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    This guy's medical expenses cost the British taxpayers $165,000/year. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but here's a guy who's eating himself to death and is going to receive free surgery worth $33,000 to try and save his life. Where's his accountability? Does Britain require all citizens to put into the medical system, or is it just the ones who are employed?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568634,00.html

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...ds-heaviest-man.html

    980-Pound Man Needs 'Life-Saving' Operation

    Tuesday, October 20, 2009

    Doctors blame a British man's 20,000-calorie a day diet for causing him to balloon up to a whopping 980-pounds and leaving him in need of a life-saving operation.

    Paul Mason, 48, needs a nearly $33,000 life-saving operation after a compulsive eating disorder left him "super-obese."

    Mason scoffs three family-sized takeout meals a night and wolfs down roasts like snacks.

    He has spent much of the past eight years in bed at his home in Ipswich in Suffolk, England.

    His health care costs taxpayers an estimated $165,000 a year.

    And now he needs drastic stomach surgery to curb his eating and keep him alive, which the country's National Health Services will have to foot the bill for.

    Mason will travel in a 5-ton ambulance specially built for obese people at a cost of $148,000 to get the surgery.

    Mason's girth may distinguish him as the world's fattest man. The previous world's fattest man, Manuel Uribe, once weighed an unbelievable 1,230 pounds, but has lost more than 500 pounds after following a specially designed, low-carb diet.

    "This man is very ill and this is life-saving surgery," a National Health Services Suffolk spokesman said of Mason. "The nature of his illness is psychological and the NHS has a duty to help him. He is in a very fragile state and needs help. We are exploring all options for transporting him from his home to hospital but we have now ruled out an airlift."

    "The most important aspect of transporting him is preserving his dignity and looking after his safety. We have not had anything like this before," the spokesoman added.

    Susie Squire, of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "While it is important to get this man the medical attention he needs, cost-effective methods must be used."

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