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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ProudUSC:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Stripping away the emotional bent it's simple. It cost a mil plus to keep him alive. Three questions. Who's responsible for him, who is going to pay for it, and for how long? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hmmmmmm, my question is why is it costing $1M/year to keep this guy alive? Think about the root causes of this, and you might see there are more problems than meets the eye with health care. No caps on medical malpractice, greedy lawyers, along with the high price of medical care which results from the first two things mentioned.

    Will the public option address the underlying causes of high medical costs? Nope. It will just add another layer into the mix without addressing the real issues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Doctors are the highest paid professionals in the world ($450,000 Average) ; Nurses not far behind ($100,000 Average). THIS is the root cause of high cost medical care. THIS is caused by Government artificial restrictions; not free market. Lawyers not make much money ($95,000 Average); do it for love. More Doctors more nurses = more medical care, lower salaries, lower cost and less malpractice ! Simple Economics ! Why you not understand this? All Nigerians understand this !!

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  • ProudUSC
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Stripping away the emotional bent it's simple. It cost a mil plus to keep him alive. Three questions. Who's responsible for him, who is going to pay for it, and for how long? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hmmmmmm, my question is why is it costing $1M/year to keep this guy alive? Think about the root causes of this, and you might see there are more problems than meets the eye with health care. No caps on medical malpractice, greedy lawyers, along with the high price of medical care which results from the first two things mentioned.

    Will the public option address the underlying causes of high medical costs? Nope. It will just add another layer into the mix without addressing the real issues.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldE:
    Wise Chinese sage Cuhang Van Zee famously said in 2400BC that sick people who's death from ailment is inevitable or who would cost too much to be kept alive should be used as live targets at fire ranges (yes, they had pistols and fire ranges in China since before 2400BC). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    I agree ! We have same rule in Nigeria !

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  • OldE
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    Wise Chinese sage Cuhang Van Zee famously said in 2400BC that sick people who's death from ailment is inevitable or who would cost too much to be kept alive should be used as live targets at fire ranges (yes, they had pistols and fire ranges in China since before 2400BC).

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    The data proves out the hypothesis that more government health care reduces the relative standing of American Life Expectancy to other countries. This is the fact.

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    AND THE REASON BEING:

    ""There's been an increase in the number with government health insurance every year since 1999," said Matt Brault"

    Public health plan? 29% have one now

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    Interesting is that the United States Life Expectancy, while still high, has dropped since 1999 from 25 place in 1999 to 34th place im 2005

    Life Expectancy

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    FACT:

    Life Expectancy in US same as EU; Women in US outlive Women in EU; Men in US die younger than men in EU. This is because of American IMBRA law.

    Life Expectancy By Country

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:Again, how come other countries manage to have some form of "socialized" medicine and yet still continue to be successful? It won't be the end of a nation as you put it if we have it here too. It will enhance it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The United States, despite encroaching Socialism, still has the BEST medicial care system in the world. Others may be "successful" but they certainly are not the best at all. They should be following us, we shouldn't be following them.

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  • Brit4064
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    I think you are wrong davdah. I think you'll find many families who have a disabled person do chip in and do their collective bit to help out as much as is possible. You have a somewhat jaundiced view of people and society as a whole as witnessed by your use of the "entitlement" phrase so often.

    You say you're not that cold-blooded but what you argue here is exactly that IMO. You agree with Guardian that they should have stopped insurance cover for him which would likely cause an earlier death than would otherwise happen.

    Again, how come other countries manage to have some form of "socialized" medicine and yet still continue to be successful? It won't be the end of a nation as you put it if we have it here too. It will enhance it.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
    You are assuming the family aren't doing what they can already davdah. We don't know that. I'd guess they are already doing a lot to help. His brother wrote a lot about him on the Facebook page.
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    Yes; Writing on Facebook has saved many many lives; that is solution to healthcare; write on Facebook !! Solves all problems !!

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  • Brit4064
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    You are assuming the family aren't doing what they can already davdah. We don't know that. I'd guess they are already doing a lot to help. His brother wrote a lot about him on the Facebook page.

    Your argument is because he has a terminal illness, it should be left to his family to care for him because it's cheaper for everybody else that way. How do you propose they do that without the medical care and knowledge on hand 24/7? Should one of them study and become nurse?

    I can't believe you davdah. I thought you were more humane than the likes of SoM etc. I'm genuinely shocked at your attitude.

    Remember the Terry Schiavo fiasco a few years ago? Your fellow Repubs got on their high horse saying the ex-hubby shouldn't be allowed to end her life and that she wasn't PVS at all.

    Seems to me it was ok to save her life at any cost back then so why should it be any different now? Terry Schiavo was in hospital for 15yrs. Had she had been kept alive as some Republican politicians wanted, she would have lived until a natural death one presumes. Would you be happy to pay for that davdah?

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  • SonofMichael
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    Lets do the math; we all get $1,000,000 of "FREE" medical care and each put in $100,000. We are spreading the load; we all have $900,000 in debt. What is not to get about this??? What is really the problem? Not enough demand or not enough supply?

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  • SonofMichael
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    Brit, the mere fact that you believe that Governmet is infallable, like God, says that you are not someone that knows what you are talking about and you live in a delusional fantasy world. Government IS fallable and does make mistakes and is more inefficient than the free market. Government is not God. Obama is not God.

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  • SonofMichael
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    So Brit; In the name of socialism, you would rather have more people die ? More socialism; less mediacal care; this is the fact. We see this again and again. Bush said socializing mortgage industry would give us more housing but had the opposite effect. How many people have to die before you learn that it does not work?

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