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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
How can it be freedom when your health insurance is tied to your employer? Or handing over large sums of $$ if you're self-employed because you don't have any financial clout?
I just don't get this freedom thing that davdah claims
There are many people who are tied to a job they don't like because of the health insurance. It might not be for them either. It may be to maintain treatment for a loved one. My immediate boss is one of those.
Surely a public option gives you freedom in that you have no worries about not being insured or under-insured and have true portability. Change job? It doesn't matter anywhere in the country. That's real freedom to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The tie in to freedom is having your money taken away by government, without your consent. As it stands. If you want to, you can opt out of most employer provided insurance plans. As a matter of fact. Most younger people do. Idea being, they don't think they will need it and would rather keep the money for something else.
Every dollar you hand over is more of your freedom lost. It is money to a large extent that controls what you can and can't do. Aside your earning ability the next is how much of what you earn you get to keep. In an extreme example such as the former USSR, all property and people were government owned. This was accomplished by virtue of the absolute control over their paycheck. He who owns the gold makes the rules.
This is precisely why this must be stopped. We're on a slippery slope and this sort of control is exactly what those power mongers want. The fact we are not being told the complete truth. The costs are being muddied and displaced to some imaginary group of so-called gluttons clearly shows there is a truth to this being hidden. The people are being divided against each other to make them easier to concur. And of course the timing. How perfect it seems. At a time when people are struggling and susceptible to fear this comes out of the closet. I'll make all your fears go away, so says the grand orator. Liar! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is speculation, Davdah, and you know it.
If, they set up the funds similar as what is prevelant in Europe, which I think they will, the only thing mandatory is that you do have insurance. Your employer makes sure that you do have health insurance and pays the appropriate fund. It will be entirely up to you to hook up with the plan and/or company of your choice. The opt out, is not a good idea - this is what is causing 45 million to be uninsured and the majority having to carry them storming into emergency rooms (blaming the illigal alliens - it's not us - it's the illegals). The country (the people) due to humanitarian reasons is obligated to take care of accident victims and emergency cases. Even if not emergency, they doctors still have to spend the time to diagnose that it is not - and who is paying for it? You and I, Davdah! Not a good argument - definately not a good argument!
Everybody is being told the truth. The bill is right there open and accessible to every Hans Wurst. I am in the process of reading the bill - this ****er is like a thousand pages long, but I'll get through eventually!
What are you talking about....out of the closet? The health care issue has been around for many many years and both parties' administrations.
I can't believe this speculation angle into communism and having everything taken away about the government - loosing everything. We are talking about Healthcare.
Progress, it is progress - this country has been missing out on for so many years.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
How can it be freedom when your health insurance is tied to your employer? Or handing over large sums of $$ if you're self-employed because you don't have any financial clout?
I just don't get this freedom thing that davdah claims
There are many people who are tied to a job they don't like because of the health insurance. It might not be for them either. It may be to maintain treatment for a loved one. My immediate boss is one of those.
Surely a public option gives you freedom in that you have no worries about not being insured or under-insured and have true portability. Change job? It doesn't matter anywhere in the country. That's real freedom to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The tie in to freedom is having your money taken away by government, without your consent. As it stands. If you want to, you can opt out of most employer provided insurance plans. As a matter of fact. Most younger people do. Idea being, they don't think they will need it and would rather keep the money for something else.
Every dollar you hand over is more of your freedom lost. It is money to a large extent that controls what you can and can't do. Aside your earning ability the next is how much of what you earn you get to keep. In an extreme example such as the former USSR, all property and people were government owned. This was accomplished by virtue of the absolute control over their paycheck. He who owns the gold makes the rules.
This is precisely why this must be stopped. We're on a slippery slope and this sort of control is exactly what those power mongers want. The fact we are not being told the complete truth. The costs are being muddied and displaced to some imaginary group of so-called gluttons clearly shows there is a truth to this being hidden. The people are being divided against each other to make them easier to concur. And of course the timing. How perfect it seems. At a time when people are struggling and susceptible to fear this comes out of the closet. I'll make all your fears go away, so says the grand orator. Liar! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is speculation, Davdah, and you know it.
If, they set up the funds similar as what is prevelant in Europe, which I think they will, the only thing mandatory is that you do have insurance. Your employer makes sure that you do have health insurance and pays the appropriate fund. It will be entirely up to you to hook up with the plan and/or company of your choice. The opt out, is not a good idea - this is what is causing 45 million to be uninsured and the majority having to carry them storming into emergency rooms (blaming the illigal alliens - it's not us - it's the illegals). The country (the people) due to humanitarian reasons is obligated to take care of accident victims and emergency cases. Even if not emergency, they doctors still have to spend the time to diagnose that it is not - and who is paying for it? You and I, Davdah! Not a good argument - definately not a good argument!
Everybody is being told the truth. The bill is right there open and accessible to every Hans Wurst. I am in the process of reading the bill - this ****er is like a thousand pages long, but I'll get through eventually!
What are you talking about....out of the closet? The health care issue has been around for many many years and both parties' administrations.
I can't believe this speculation angle into communism and having everything taken away about the government - loosing everything. We are talking about Healthcare.
Progress, it is progress - this country has been missing out on for so many years.
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