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  • #16
    Originally posted by Brit4064:
    You're right Terry...what is the point of all this? Federal law already states what the citizenship requirements are to be a US Presidential candidate.

    The only reason I can see is that AZ and MT are trying to exclude Obama from running in their states in 2012 because they believe he's not qualified

    The fact that every challenge to his qualification has been dismissed in courts across the land doesn't appear to dissuade the Birthers.

    It's fine by me because they make themselves look more stupid each time they try.
    I wouldn't say stupid Brit, more like desperate and cowardice under the guise of "following the law."

    Even though I did not vote for Obama, I accepted the Electoral College results that he won. If a strong candidate runs against him, I wwill probably vote for that person. If my candidate wins, so be it. If my candidate loses, so be it. The point is that the system is greater than any one candidate that runs for this office.

    I will disagree with the President and I may agree with Him on certain occassions, that is what a Republican Democracy is all about. Not what Fed states in these threads.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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    • #17
      Originally posted by federale86:
      If so, why doen't he release it then. If he has nothing to fear, why such fear?
      Fed, what part of "He has already released his birth certificate to the appropiate parties" do you not understand.

      even if he did release it, you still would not believe it unless it met your specific political criteria.
      "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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      • #18
        Originally posted by federale86:
        If so, why doen't he release it then. If he has nothing to fear, why such fear?
        This is so over with. Find something new to complain about, please?

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        • #19
          I wouldn't say stupid Brit, more like desperate and cowardice under the guise of "following the law."
          I guess you're right Hudson. You could say that the Pope is Head of the Catholic Church and yet a Birther wouldn't believe it thinking there has to be some big bad conspiracy behind it all. How's that tin-foil hat working out Fed?
          "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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          • #20
            No, he has never released his birth certificate. You lie and have no facts to support that statement.

            Obama has an abstract of his birth certificate posted on his campaign site. That is it.

            That is why you people are so afraid of the bills that would require him to produce his birth certificate to get on the next Presidential ballot.

            Because he doesn't want to release his birth certificate. There is something on there that he wants to keep secret.

            Again, for the nuts who keep saying that he has released his birth certificate, why doesn't he release it.

            You nuts keep bouncing back and forth from he released it, he doesn't have to release it, and, the new one, he secretly provided it to the "appropriate authorities."

            Just what are those authorities?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by federale86:
              No, he has never released his birth certificate. You lie and have no facts to support that statement.

              Obama has an abstract of his birth certificate posted on his campaign site. That is it.

              That is why you people are so afraid of the bills that would require him to produce his birth certificate to get on the next Presidential ballot.

              Because he doesn't want to release his birth certificate. There is something on there that he wants to keep secret.

              Again, for the nuts who keep saying that he has released his birth certificate, why doesn't he release it.

              You nuts keep bouncing back and forth from he released it, he doesn't have to release it, and, the new one, he secretly provided it to the "appropriate authorities."

              Just what are those authorities?
              FEd, an abstract of a birth certificate means a copy of said birth certificate, preferably notorized by the Bureau of Vital Statistics. That copy has been given to the proper authorities, no some public drunk typing on this forum such as yourself.

              Hawaiian officials have statutorily confirmed in a sworn statement that Barak Obama was born in the Hawaii, the birth certificate is real, and that Barak says who he says he is.

              There is no more debate here. The only one who is afraid of the truth is you Fed. And this is not about who voted for whom when it comes to this Fed.
              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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              • #22
                Honestly, the subject of Obama's birth certificate is an old one. You people who choose to keep harping on the same old tired issue need to come up with something new. Instead of worrying about his birth certificate, why not concentrate on who would make a good Republican opponent to run against him in 2012?

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                • #23
                  No Hudson, an abstract is not a copy, but a summary. Check your dictionary.

                  –noun
                  6.
                  a summary of a text, scientific article, document, speech, etc.; epitome.
                  abstract from the dictionary

                  Again, if there is no problem with his birth, why not release the original birth certificate?

                  You people just can't answer that question.

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                  • #24
                    Statutorily confirmed? No they haven't. All we have is a statement from a former Governor saying that there was a birth certificate.

                    But the issue is whether the birth certificate in question was issued to his parents based on the fact that Hawaiian law authorizes issuing birth certificates to those born outside of Hawaii.

                    Sure, it exists, but what is he trying to hide.

                    And no one has sworn in any court or on an affidavit that the certificate exists.

                    But the issue is what is recorded on the birth certificate.

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                    • #25
                      Therein lies the problem. Hawaii did in fact hand out birth certs on not much more than a person's word they were born somewhere on the island. The travel and such going on at the time made the situation highly questionable.

                      Just because a question goes unanswered doesn't mean it loses it's sting. All the more, it should provoke a curiosity and concern as to whether our pre-emptive trusting standards are being duped. As if that never happened before.



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                      • #26
                        Cries of "no smoke without fire" even though there's no smoke The tin-foil hat sales must be at an all time high. For the hard of reading:

                        Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are less expensive and more readily accessible. Information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate , and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration." The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, ***, and place of birth , although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.

                        Abstract birth certificate
                        "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by federale86:
                          No Hudson, an abstract is not a copy, but a summary. Check your dictionary.

                          –noun
                          6.
                          a summary of a text, scientific article, document, speech, etc.; epitome.
                          abstract from the dictionary

                          Again, if there is no problem with his birth, why not release the original birth certificate?

                          You people just can't answer that question.
                          A summary of the real information on the birth certificate Fed. You still are not proving anything as ususl.
                          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by federale86:
                            Statutorily confirmed? No they haven't. All we have is a statement from a former Governor saying that there was a birth certificate.

                            But the issue is whether the birth certificate in question was issued to his parents based on the fact that Hawaiian law authorizes issuing birth certificates to those born outside of Hawaii.

                            Sure, it exists, but what is he trying to hide.

                            And no one has sworn in any court or on an affidavit that the certificate exists.

                            But the issue is what is recorded on the birth certificate.
                            Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the State director of Health and Human Services has sworn in a statement that the original birth certificate exists.
                            "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                            • #29
                              Again for the nuts who can't read. The question is not if the birth certificate exists, but what is on it.

                              What are Obama, Brit, and Hudson afraid of? What information is so dangerous that it must be hidden from pubic sight? What piece of information on that birth certificate is so frightening?

                              Sworn in a statement? What sort of statement? A PR release? Before a court of law? Did he swear to what information is on it? Did he identify the hospital that Obama was born at?

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                              • #30
                                What's on it? Take a look again:



                                Do you see his parents' name listed there? Remember this bit from my earlier post?

                                When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances.

                                This means what he presented in 2008 publicly is the equivalent of a long form birth certificate. Why do you Birthers still insist he show the long form birth certificate???

                                FedNUT, the used tin-foil hat salesman.
                                "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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