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    My sister-in-law recently posted this bulletin on Myspace. I know that the "facts" are not accurate for illegal immigrants. Could someone please help me with a response to give to her? Her nephew my son would be what her bulletin refers to as an "anchour baby" and I feel that she and the rest of my family should have a better view of the immigration situation. They need to see the beneifit they bring to our community. If anyone could help me with a response that would be great. Her bulletin was as follows:



    Send this to anyone you think may be in favor of illegal aliens infesting our great country!


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts.


    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://...com/zob77

    2. 2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


    3. 2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. 12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

    5. 17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    6. 3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    8. 90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. 200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
    caused by the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://...com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million *** Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

    (If the links aren't complete, just message me for a correction.)


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    The Bank: Bank of America, can I help you?

    Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.

    The Bank: Why?

    Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.

    The Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account. What is your account number?

    Customer: (gives account number)

    The Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?

    Customer: No.

    The Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are.

    Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you?

    The Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.

    Customer: Why not?

    The Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.



    Here's the Snopes link for doubters:



    http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...kofamerica.asp

  • #2
    My sister-in-law recently posted this bulletin on Myspace. I know that the "facts" are not accurate for illegal immigrants. Could someone please help me with a response to give to her? Her nephew my son would be what her bulletin refers to as an "anchour baby" and I feel that she and the rest of my family should have a better view of the immigration situation. They need to see the beneifit they bring to our community. If anyone could help me with a response that would be great. Her bulletin was as follows:



    Send this to anyone you think may be in favor of illegal aliens infesting our great country!


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts.


    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://...com/zob77

    2. 2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


    3. 2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. 12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

    5. 17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    6. 3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    8. 90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. 200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
    caused by the illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://...com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million *** Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

    (If the links aren't complete, just message me for a correction.)


    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    The Bank: Bank of America, can I help you?

    Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.

    The Bank: Why?

    Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.

    The Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account. What is your account number?

    Customer: (gives account number)

    The Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?

    Customer: No.

    The Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are.

    Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you?

    The Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.

    Customer: Why not?

    The Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.



    Here's the Snopes link for doubters:



    http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...kofamerica.asp

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    • #3
      I dont know if I want to laugh or feel saddened by this. First of all, I'd like to know which state is giving monies for support to an illegal alien! No such thing my dear. A mother of a citizen child MAY get aid but it will be for the USC child only, and no moneys are given for her and that includes food stamps too. The numbers given here are highly distorted and doubled over and over as many of them are situations that overlap each other. I dont know the "real" numbers, but I know enough to see that these are not reflecting the right amounts. Btw,school lunches? Omg, they forgot to add the BILLIONS spent on the air the breathe!
      About BOA, the scripting is made up, of course that they can verify identity in many ways other than social security numbers for english speaking customers or not! You might remind her that there is a little "anchor baby" in her roots too. Don't forget such fact. Give me a break here. Your Sis in law has deep issues, God help her.

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      • #4
        Awesome post, thanks.

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        • #5
          This is the second time she has posted something negetive about illegal immigrants. I'm not actually positive she realizes that my son's father is not legal but she has to have some idea. I wanted to be able to give her some correct facts. Or even if I could give her back some statistics or facts on how they help our country. I know one thing no one considers is that illegal immigrants to contribute to our taxes but because they can't use a ss # they don't get credit for it. And with the bank I know my boyfriend has an account at a bank but he doesn't have CREDIT with them he simply has his HARD EARNED money in there. If anyone has anymore ideas as to what I should say to her that would be wonderful I want to be fully equiped for anything to help sway her point of view.

          It's going to be an interesting Thanksgiving!

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          • #6
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I know one thing no one considers is that illegal immigrants to contribute to our taxes but because they can't use a ss # they don't get credit for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



            Hello Melipop

            Hmmm I suspect you are trying to be clever here in reverse.

            Since this is the one thing you do know, then please explain it to us how they contribute to our taxes while getting paid "under the table" bcause they dont have a soc sec. number. This way we will not be ignorant hicks and be able to consider this fact.

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            • #7
              I actually know a lot of illegal immigrants but not one of them works "under the table" they have actual jobs and get pay check and taxes are taken out under the incorrect ss that the employer has used for them. Also the SS Administration has made it possible for them to acquire a tax payer ID number to pay their taxes. I know many like my boyfriend who choose to do this so that any penelties will be lessened if it is ever possible for him to become legal.

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              • #8
                This isnt what you said. It may be what you meant. but not what you said.


                We are all aware of the fake soc. sec # schemes. The claiming of 9 dependents so not much fwt is taken out etc. And if they dont file their taxes and they owe money then what has been accomplished.

                Just so you know. ITIN was not originally set up for that purpose in mind.

                Im curious.. do you even know the difference of term illegal... do you know there is illegal as in visa overstay and illegal as in sneaked into the country without permission?

                Which one is your boyfriend... and why dont you marry him if you have a child and fix his situation

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                • #9
                  Number 1 not everyone uses someone elses ss #. It is a generalization to say that everyone claims 9 dependants to get out of taxes. Some actually want to pay there taxes and show that they are responsible. ITIN may not have had that in mind but it sure does beneifit the government to let them pay their taxes and obviously it is used for that and it doesn't hurt to let someone who wants to pay their taxes pay them. I don't see anyone giving them credit for trying to be responsible.

                  Of course I know the difference between overstaying and border jumping I've delt with this quite a bit. Either way they r still here illegal and when someone says illegal aliens they are grouping them together.

                  Anyone who knows about immigration would know that now you can't become legal by getting married or having babies with citizens. They would have to apply for change of status and when it is time to do their interview they have to go back to their country for the interview. Once they have returned to their country they are unable to return to the US for 3 to 10 years depending on how long they were here illegally and there is not gaurantee they will be allowed back at all. How would he support our child if he is unable to return until my child is grown. If we choose to get married it would not be based on immigration status but on how we feel about each other and if we are ready.

                  I do know that if I was to try to support our family alone without him that I would not be able to support us on my own without turning to the government for help. So it would be a negative for many families to remove that support of my Citizen child besides removing his right to have his father.

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                  • #10
                    It is illegal for anyone to use a fake SSN and it is illegal for anyone not to pay taxes. Despite the immigration status, all aliens who work in the US are required to pay taxes. IRS will not share information with USCIS. You can not punish someone for obeying a law despite whatever other laws they broke.

                    The statistics discussed seem fairly accurate except for the medicaid, welfare and suppressed wages arguments Generally illegal aliens are ineligible for any medicaid/welfare program.

                    The suppressed wages argument is ridiculous and anyone who claims this is an economic iloterate.
                    Illegal aliens usually take jobs no one else wants. A lawyer is not going to be mowing lawns. That lawyer also benefits by paying less money than by paying less money than what it would cost in his time if he did it himself. More people the better for an economy in general.

                    Legalization of illegal aliens would solve many of the issues and would likely lead to a decrease in the crimes many illegals commit. However, everyone I think, agrees that any alien that commits any crime should never receive legal status.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see how the statisics could be anywhere near correct consider most of them deal with welfare and government assistance and it would be almost impossible to determine how much of anything goes to illegal immigrants or their children because how do we know who is legal and not. Illegal alliens don't generally announce it and try to avoid government agencies if at all possible. It was extremely irritating to me to have my own sister in law post anything that would call my baby (her nephew) an anchor baby. My son in no way helps his father stay here. And she says that children of illegals are going to add to the crime rate. So I guess I have a future deliquate just because his father is illegal right now.

                      I agree that it would just save money to help those who are here illegally and who otherwise obey our laws to become legal. Then if they tighten border security and make it easier for unskilled workers to come here for a time to work legally we could reduce the amount of people entering illegally. As long as there is a demand for unskilled workers here they will come and if the government doesn't give them a legal avenue to follow then they will still come illegally. I know that all of the people I know where not planning on living here forever but just wanted to build an income for a few years and then go home. So a temporay worker program would work well for those people.

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Of course I know the difference between overstaying and border jumping I've delt with this quite a bit. Either way they r still here illegal and when someone says illegal aliens they are grouping them together.[quote]



                        But then you answered with this

                        [quote]<span class="ev_code_RED">Anyone who knows about immigration would know that now you can't become legal by getting married or having babies with citizens</span>. They would have to apply for change of status and when it is time to do their interview they have to go back to their country for the interview. Once they have returned to their country they are unable to return to the US for 3 to 10 years depending on how long they were here illegally and there is not gaurantee they will be allowed back at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                        It is obvious to those of us that do know about immigration that you do not know the difference by this statement alone.

                        If you seek legal advice you will find that there are options for this type of situation.

                        If you want supporters to help you against your sister.. peddle this thread/post under "ILLEGAL MEXICAN EXPLOITATION" post.
                        You will get lots of support there to refute those claims . <span class="ev_code_RED">I am sure poster Explora would know where to get the correct information from</span>

                        And your final statement:

                        [quote]I do know that if I was to try to support our family alone without him that I would not be able to support us on my own without turning to the government for help. So it would be a negative for many families to remove that support of my Citizen child besides removing his right to have his father[quote]


                        <span class="ev_code_RED">ok Proud USC if u are reading this ..i just took 10 steps backward because of this </span> and dont use that C word. lol

                        Melipop...Is there some reason you cant work? You are legal to work correct? why would you have to turn to welfare... THIS IS A NEGATIVE.
                        Solution.. let the father of your child be in the nanny capacity. he can spend quality time with the child while you support the family. This is responsible. Why should hardworking taxpayers have to support your child when you can work.

                        Realities

                        you have made life decisions based on your wants.. and have ignored responsible alternatives. Birth control was available, but you chose to ignore that alternative. Now the reality is that this child has to be supported. However, you seem to refuse/reject the realities that have come with it and are looking for sympathy for both your irresponsible acts.

                        Best wishes to you for getting a good job to support your family.

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                        • #13
                          Umm first of all I can use the C word all I want. I was born and raised in this country just as much as you. If you would take a look at some statistic a woman can work as much as a low paying man and not make nearly as much as him. My income alone supporting our whole family would be nothing like us working together to support us. So if I alone make barely enough to get us by then obviously the government is going to have to be involved. Don't assume that because I have a child with an illegal immigrant that I am not a citizen and my child would be regardless of his father.

                          I am not looking for sympathy for irresponsible acts. I am looking for correct facts. Not incorrect facts blown out of perportion.

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                          • #14
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So if I alone make barely enough to get us by then obviously the government is going to have to be involved. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                            Oh ok. "I have a right to my gobment cheese" mentality. Im entitled
                            Melipop3 PLEASE
                            Get a second job and step up to the plate. Go take the job that he has if its been enough to support your family. What are you going to do if they pick him up and remove him back to where he came from????

                            No one is assuming anything here about your status.. I read very well ..

                            You ARE looking for sympathy.. and what if the sisters facts would be correct? would it change your way of thinking? NO I doubt very much that it would. you still dont think your husband should have to leave blah blah... he has a right to be here because of the child...yada yada.

                            The proud usc and c word are private joke between myself and another poster. it does not have anything to do with you.


                            The only "C" word you seem to know is CANT

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                            • #15
                              He already pays child support and he owes no money for that. He pays all of his bills including the birth expenses and hospital expenses and anything else me or our family needs.

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