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  • #16
    so are they going to do the appropriate bill after the recess?? and how long 2 weeks of debate for approriation bill?

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    • #17
      Depends on what "other" projects they try to sneak into the bill. It is common practice for Senators to try to sneak pet projects into "must pass" bills. They're called pork barrel projects. They take advantage of the urgency of these bills because they know they will get passed. Sometimes Senators will fight it out to get things put in or taken out, just like any other bill. However, this is an important bill that will pass regardless.

      The AILA already warned about the intentions of some of the Senators to try to sneak in some enforcement-only provisions into this bill because they know no one will vote against securing the border:

      http://capwiz.com/aila2/callalert/in...554496&type=CO

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      • #18
        Like I said, Frist has nothing to lose. On the contrary, if he gets that 2 billion enforcement only provision passed he will look "tough" on immigration and this will help the Republicans. The CIR bill isn't going to make it through the Senate let alone the House this year. They are too divided and there isn't enough time.

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        • #19
          The senate will definatly pass the immigration reform bill and frist has said he will get it out by memmorial day...according to the article, the 2 billion dollar will be for the border patrol in the south..i doubt they will try o pu some kind of H.R4437 into the appropriation bill..if hey do, hen they should try to add the guest worker in there also.

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          • #20
            Jean2005: Please think before you post. It's obvious that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Do you really think they are going to hold off funding the troops and disaster victims to give amnesty to illegals? That's ****ing absurd! Even you know that that is the reason nothing has been done on immigration so far. There is too big a divide between those who want you guys gone and those you want you guys to stay. It's ****ing night and day. The only thing anyone agrees on is that we need an Employment verification system, biometric ID's, more detention space, more ICE agents and BP, and fencing along the border. This is something that will easily pass as an amendment to the appropriations bill. They can also probably get away with making other changes to the laws already on the books in order to toughen enforcement. They're not going to try to shove H.R. 4437 in its entirety or amnesty into the ****ing appropriations bill!! Geez, man think!!

            If Frist was so sure he was going to pass the CIR bill by the end of May then why would he shove an enforcement amendment to the appropriations bill first then move onto the immigration bill? ****, you never cease to amaze.

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            • #21
              bill frist has stated that they will get the immigration bill out by memmoriaL day..they have more then 70 votes to pass it, so i hate to break this to you...i know you would love to see mass deportation but frist has says they will pass it....the votes are in the senate.

              You keep saying that the votes arent there, the votes were always there..in fact, this bill would had passed before the recess if it wasnt for harry reid...for some dumb reason, you seem to think the reason the bill didnt pass is because it didnt have enought support...you need to use your brainless head for a minute..

              HARRY BLOCKED THE BILL BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO VOTE ON AMNEDMENTS THAT HIS OWN PEOPLE TOLD THEM THEY HAD ENOUGHT VOTES TO DEFEAT..EVEN REPUBLICANS LIKE MCCAIN TOLD HARRY REID TO LET THE AMENDMNENT GET VOTED ON...REPUBLICANS BEGGED HIM, I REPEAT, BEGGED HIM TO LET THE PROCESS PROCEED BUT FOR SOME REASON HE REFUSED...SO THIS IDEA THAT THE VOTES ARENT THERE, IS IMMORLA DUMB

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              • #22
                Whoever all you are, pro ot contra, mass deportation will make USA a fascist country, and you know it. This will mean the end of empire.

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                • #23
                  bill frist has stated that they will get the immigration bill out by memmoriaL day
                  Bill Frist fell short 2 weeks ago 38-60 .

                  Will the Senate waste time on this matter again?

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                  • #24
                    Listen to me troll: You don't know ****. So stop playing the part.

                    The votes to pass the bill on an up down vote might be there, but they don't have enough to invoke the cloture. Otherwise why didn't they pass the ****ing bill before recess? Hell, even McCain voted against cloture. The fact is that the Republicans want to add their amendments whether or not they pass. Don't think that the hardliners won't filibuster the bill themselves in order to kill amnesty. That's why they filed over 300 amendments. Sure they narrowed it down to 20 because those are the ones they had a good chance of passing and would essentially turn the bill into the Kyl /Cornyn bill. There is no way that Frist is going to allow an up/down vote on the bill unless the Republicans get to offer their amendments.

                    Reid claims he stopped the bill because the Republicans were trying to gut it. He also wanted a guarantee that the Senate Judiciary members would act as bill managers if and when it went to conference with the House. I can guarantee that if Frist selects the bill managers the CIR bill won't look anything like the Senate bill you so desperately want when it comes out of conference.

                    Reid is also playing politics. Why would he give up a golden opportunity to regain control of the House and or Senate to give amnesty to illegals. This is the same Sen. Reid who was anti-immigrant and who wrote an anti-immigrant bill back in the 1990's. He doesn't give a **** about illegals, he wants to be majority leader.

                    Now think about it troll before you post such stupid ****. The only shot you have is if Specter can report a bill out of the Judiciary Committee that Kyl, Corny, Sessions, and the other hardliners will support.

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                    • #25
                      HAHAHAH first of all, let me teach you something about the senate rules and how things work in there..its very sad that an undocumented migrant will have to teach you things about your own goverment.


                      * first of all, it is widely known that they had the vote to pass the bill in the senate..Not only they had the votes, but had a bi-partisan support to get it ou of the senate..even a brainless f00l knew this.

                      *reason why it didnt pass cloture is because, AFTER HARRY REID REFUSED TO ALLOW VOTES ON KYL'S AMENDMENTS, THE RPUBLICANS DECIDED TO PROTEST BY VOTING NO! ON CLoture to teach harry reid a lesson. it was like a punishment for blocking a fellow republican his right to get a vote on his amendment.

                      IT WAS DONE BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK VERY BAD FOR REPUBLICANS TO LET HARRY REID, WHO IS THE MINORITY LEADER, TO DICTATE THE PACE OF THE BILL.

                      HARRY REID EVEN WANTED FRIST TO GUARANTEE HIM THAT THE JUDICARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE THE ONE SENT IN THE HOUSE-SENATE MEETING..THIS DEMAND ANGERED MANY REPUBLICANS, ACCUSING HARRY REID OF ACTING LIKE THE MAJORITY.

                      ALSO, THEY DIDNT WANT TO THROW KYL UNDER THE BUS..KYL IS A REPUBLICAN, SO IF THEY HAD GONE AND VOTED FOR CLOTURE, THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG BLOW FOR A FELLOW REPUBLICAN WHO WAS DENIGNED A CHANCE TO GET HIS AMENDMENT VOTED ON BY NOT ONLY DEMOCRATS, BUT FELLOW REPUBLICANS.


                      FINAL CONCLUSION..THE REPUBLICANS BEGGED HARRY REID TO LET KYL GET THE VOTES, AND WHEN HARRY REFUSED, THEY FELT THEY HAD NO CHOICE TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE BECAUSE KYL WAS A REPUBLICAN THAT WAS GGETTING BLOCKED BY A DEMOCRATS.


                      ITS SAD THAT AN ILLEGAL WOULD HAVE TO TEACH YOU HOW THINGS WORK IN CONGRESS....

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                      • #26
                        Jean makes perfect sence.

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                        • #27
                          Did you not read my post you moron?!

                          They may have the up down votes on the bill, but unless they let the Republicans offer their amendments it will never happen. As long as Reid refuses to allow this to happen there will be no up/down vote. It's not rocket science you ****ing moron!!

                          You make my case for me and you don't even know it. That's how ****ing brainless you are.

                          IT WAS DONE BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK VERY BAD FOR REPUBLICAN TO LET HARRY REID, WHO IS THE MINORITY LEADER, TO DICTATE THE PACE OF THE BILL.

                          Duh, do you think that Sen. Frist is going to have a change of heart and force all the Republicans to vote for cloture. This would mean Reid would win and Frist would look like a *****. You keep forgetting that he's running for President in 2008.

                          FINAL CONCLUSION..THE REPUBLICANS BEGGED HARRY REID TO LET KYL GET THE VOTES, AND WHEN HARRY REFUSED, THEY FELT THEY HAD NO CHOICE TO VOTE AGAINST CLOTURE BECAUSE KYL WAS A REPUBLICAN THAT WAS GGETTING BLOCKED BY A DEMOCRATS.

                          Again, so you really think that Frist is going to allow Reid to continue to dominate the action of the bill? You are such a moron its pathetic.

                          ITS SAD THAT AN ILLEGAL WOULD HAVE TO TEACH YOU HOW THINGS WORK IN CONGRESS....

                          This from a moron who obviously doesn't know **** and didn't even know what an appropriations bill was. You should really read some of your own posts. I'm sure even you would be surprised at how senseless and stupid you are.

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                          • #28
                            CONSENSUS IS " HARRY REID MADE SOME BAD CALCULATION"....ACCORDING TO KENNEDY, HARRY REID FELT LIKE THEY DIDNT HAVE ENOUGHT VOTE TO DEFEAT THE AMENDMENT.

                            REPUBLICANS LIKE MCCAIN, BROWNBACK, GRAHAM HAVE STATED THAT KYL'S AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEFEATED.


                            ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT HARRY REID BEGGED FRIST TO BRING BACK THE BILL AS SOON AS THEY GET BACK.


                            IF HARRY IS NOT INTERESTED IN PASSING ANY BILL BEFORE ELECTION IN NOV, THEN WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE SENT A LETTER TO FRIST, BEGGING HIM TO REVISIT THE BILL??

                            ILL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED...KENNEDY WAS VERY PISSED OFF THAT HARRY BLOCKED THE BILL AND LET HIM KNOW ABOUT IT..

                            ALSO HARRY REID WAS CRITIZIDED BY THE HISPANIC PRESS..LA RAZA ,CASSA AND OTHER HISPANIC GROUPS LASHED OUT AT HARRY REID FOR BLOCKING THIS BILL, SO NOW, HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO BEGGED FRIEST TO GET BACK O WORK AFTER THE RECESS...

                            THE PRESIDENT KILLED HARRY REID ON RADIO, SO THIS IS WHY HARRY REID IS ANGERED TO RE TAKE THE BILL.

                            HARRY REID UNDERSTAND THAT HE MADE SOME BAD CALCULATION AND HE'S GETTING KILLED FOR IT..HARRY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE VOTES WERE THERE TO KILL THE KYL'S AMENDMENT.


                            ITS SAD THAT AN ILLEGAL IS TEACHING YOU ABOUT AMERICAN'S LAW

                            YOU ARE ONE DUMB AMERICAN CITIZEN...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME THAT A MEXICAN IS SCHOOLING YOU ABOUT YOUR OWN GOVERMENT.

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                            • #29
                              First, Reid knew that they had the votes to defeat the amendments, but wanted to play politics. That's why Kennedy was so pissed off and even said that, "Politics got in the way of policy". Reid has also mentioned that there was no need for amendments because it was a bipartisan compromise bill. He accussed the republicans of trying to gut and filibuster the bill. He also wanted the Judiciary Committee members as bill managers when it went to conference. You keep excluding this fact.

                              The letter he sent to Frist asked him to bring the bill back after the appropriations bill was done. More politics at play here. Nothing else. Reviving the bill will help the Democrats in November. How can a Republican controlled House, Senate, and Administration not pass a bill? This is just more ammunition for the Democrats during the election.

                              Harry Reid is just happy that he has more leverage on the Republicans. That's why he shot back at Bush and threw the blame back onto the Republicans. He's more than willing to pass the bill as is and as long as he get's his way. The GOP is grasping for straws just like you are.

                              Reid didn't make any "miscalculations", he knew exactly what he was doing. Kennedy just wanted the bill to pass because he thinks he can negotiate with the House. Wost case scenario, they kill the bill in conference. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but why go through all the motions when they already have the Republicans where they want them.

                              The saddest part is that you're so enthralled by your ignorance that you can't think straight. That's why you definitely need to be deported before you infect anyone else with your stupidity. Please stop posting until you have a valid argument. You're embarrassing yourself.

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                              • #30
                                LOL ENOUGHT- you are a brainless moronic minute-men.

                                Harry reid is getting killed by his own party for not proceeding in the votes...Harry reid was killed by the pro-immigration lobbyist, who let him know that they wont stand for him trying to use the hispanic people for politic..even the church lashed out at harry reid, who is clearly feeling the pressure to stop blocking the bill..and this is the reason why he sent the letter to frist begging him to bring back the bill after the lashed out he received behind closed door.

                                You are an idiot..again, why would he asked the bill to be brought back to the floor if he's not going to let amendment be voted on?? logic will tell you that he will drop his request and trust his fellow members who guaranteed him that they would easily kill kyl's amendment.

                                again, if harry dosnt plan to let the immigration bill pass before election in november, then why ask republicans to take it back...logic will tell you to let the bill die and let the g.o.p take the fall for not doing anything.

                                Im hearing that the only person that didnt want the compromise bill to pass on the democratic side, was schumer, who a source says he clearly wanted reid to block the bill from passing to gain politic ground...after that, everyone was on the side of the compromise.


                                again, enought- you are a dumb american citizens..

                                instead of worrying abou how many illegals get deported, you should go learn something about your goverment...you are dumb..you dumb white american with blue eyes.

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