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    By Darryl Fears Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 2, 2006; A04

    The nation's population of legal immigrants would increase by nearly 20 million over the next decade if the recently passed Senate immigration bill becomes law, and taxpayers would spend more than $50 billion to operate a new guest-worker program and pay for extra welfare, Social Security and public health-care costs, according to a Congressional Budget Office report.


    But the cost of absorbing the newcomers would be offset by a boost of $66 billion in federal revenue from income taxes and payroll taxes generated by the temporary guest-worker program, along with fees that immigrants must pay to participate, the report said.


    By 2016, about 8 million immigrants would enter the United States as temporary guest workers, and 11 million immigrants who now live in the country illegally would become permanent legal residents under provisions of the bill.


    The report, the first definitive look at the impact of the Senate bill, was commissioned by the Senate Finance Committee and was submitted on May 16, nine days before the measure was passed. The study has been embraced by the Bush administration and the bill's supporters, but opponents said crucial omissions greatly lowered its population and cost estimates.


    Critics said the report does not take into account the 950,000 newcomers who enter the country legally under current immigration law, bringing the 10-year total of new immigrants to about 30 million. Some say that number will double by 2026.


    The report also does not consider the possibility of future mass illegal border crossings that might occur in spite of technological enhancement and increased personnel along the Southern border, according to critics.


    An explosion of immigrants is one reason that House Republicans say they are strongly opposed to the Senate bill, and have vowed to fight it when members of the two chambers meet for negotiations in a congressional conference.

    Supporters of the Senate's approach, which is backed by President Bush, say they will stand firm.
    "We can build miles of fences, but the fact remains that immigrants will still come because employers need workers and immigrants want jobs," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), who fought for a guest-worker program. "It's far better for American jobs and wages to have a practical, common-sense policy of legal immigration, than to continue leaving millions of immigrants underground and underpaid."
    Will Adams, a spokesman for Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who opposes granting residency to illegal immigrants, called legal immigration "the soft underbelly of the Senate bill."

    It is overlooked in the debate, he said, "but when it's exposed, the public is outraged."
    Robert E. Rector, a senior research fellow in domestic policy studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said the bill "is horrendous." Assisting tens of millions of low-income workers with less than
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    high school education would lead to costs in welfare, health care, housing and other areas that far exceed the half-billion dollars the government already pays each year, he said.
    "Once [illegal immigrants] become legal, they are going to receive welfare that's vastly disproportionate to the taxes that they're going to pay," Rector said.

    High school dropouts, immigrants or not, earn about $22,000 yearly and pay far fewer taxes than middle-class Americans. "There's no way they can contribute to the cost of educating their children.

    The cost they impose on government . . . far exceeds anything they bring in in terms of tax revenue."
    The budget office report, compiled with help from the Joint Committee on Taxation, disputed that account, as did others who took issue with Rector's belief that the Senate bill would increase the immigrant population by 60 million.

    Earlier, Rector predicted an even higher number: 100 million. He updated the figure after an amendment to the bill capped the yearly number of guest workers at 200,000 per year.

    Alan Reynolds, a senior fellow for the libertarian Cato Institute, said Rector's estimates "are preposterous." He accused Rector of compounding numbers to reach an alarming total and not taking into account that most immigrants who would become legal citizens already live in the country.


    "They're basically saying, 'Gee, if we keep illegals illegal, then we would have fewer legal residents,' " Reynolds said.
    A report released yesterday by the National Foundation for American Policy also said Rector "overstated the numbers.

    " Stuart Anderson, executive director of the foundation, said most "new entrants" who would become legal residents currently live in the United States. In 20 years, the net total of new entrants would be about 47 million.


    Rector is supported by other groups, including the Center for Immigration Studies and NumbersUSA, two opponents of increased immigration. He said his concern about the number of immigrants is outweighed by the cost.


    According to the Congressional Budget Office, 750,000 immigrants would be eligible to receive food stamps, and 1.3 million would be eligible for some form of Medicaid, in addition to other benefits.


    The cost of providing food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid and visa fees for guest workers would total $5 billion between 2009 and 2016. An additional $6.5 billion would be needed for new residents who unite with families. Providing services to illegal immigrants who become permanent legal residents would cost $10 billion more.

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    By Darryl Fears Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 2, 2006; A04

    The nation's population of legal immigrants would increase by nearly 20 million over the next decade if the recently passed Senate immigration bill becomes law, and taxpayers would spend more than $50 billion to operate a new guest-worker program and pay for extra welfare, Social Security and public health-care costs, according to a Congressional Budget Office report.


    But the cost of absorbing the newcomers would be offset by a boost of $66 billion in federal revenue from income taxes and payroll taxes generated by the temporary guest-worker program, along with fees that immigrants must pay to participate, the report said.


    By 2016, about 8 million immigrants would enter the United States as temporary guest workers, and 11 million immigrants who now live in the country illegally would become permanent legal residents under provisions of the bill.


    The report, the first definitive look at the impact of the Senate bill, was commissioned by the Senate Finance Committee and was submitted on May 16, nine days before the measure was passed. The study has been embraced by the Bush administration and the bill's supporters, but opponents said crucial omissions greatly lowered its population and cost estimates.


    Critics said the report does not take into account the 950,000 newcomers who enter the country legally under current immigration law, bringing the 10-year total of new immigrants to about 30 million. Some say that number will double by 2026.


    The report also does not consider the possibility of future mass illegal border crossings that might occur in spite of technological enhancement and increased personnel along the Southern border, according to critics.


    An explosion of immigrants is one reason that House Republicans say they are strongly opposed to the Senate bill, and have vowed to fight it when members of the two chambers meet for negotiations in a congressional conference.

    Supporters of the Senate's approach, which is backed by President Bush, say they will stand firm.
    "We can build miles of fences, but the fact remains that immigrants will still come because employers need workers and immigrants want jobs," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), who fought for a guest-worker program. "It's far better for American jobs and wages to have a practical, common-sense policy of legal immigration, than to continue leaving millions of immigrants underground and underpaid."
    Will Adams, a spokesman for Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who opposes granting residency to illegal immigrants, called legal immigration "the soft underbelly of the Senate bill."

    It is overlooked in the debate, he said, "but when it's exposed, the public is outraged."
    Robert E. Rector, a senior research fellow in domestic policy studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said the bill "is horrendous." Assisting tens of millions of low-income workers with less than
    12

    high school education would lead to costs in welfare, health care, housing and other areas that far exceed the half-billion dollars the government already pays each year, he said.
    "Once [illegal immigrants] become legal, they are going to receive welfare that's vastly disproportionate to the taxes that they're going to pay," Rector said.

    High school dropouts, immigrants or not, earn about $22,000 yearly and pay far fewer taxes than middle-class Americans. "There's no way they can contribute to the cost of educating their children.

    The cost they impose on government . . . far exceeds anything they bring in in terms of tax revenue."
    The budget office report, compiled with help from the Joint Committee on Taxation, disputed that account, as did others who took issue with Rector's belief that the Senate bill would increase the immigrant population by 60 million.

    Earlier, Rector predicted an even higher number: 100 million. He updated the figure after an amendment to the bill capped the yearly number of guest workers at 200,000 per year.

    Alan Reynolds, a senior fellow for the libertarian Cato Institute, said Rector's estimates "are preposterous." He accused Rector of compounding numbers to reach an alarming total and not taking into account that most immigrants who would become legal citizens already live in the country.


    "They're basically saying, 'Gee, if we keep illegals illegal, then we would have fewer legal residents,' " Reynolds said.
    A report released yesterday by the National Foundation for American Policy also said Rector "overstated the numbers.

    " Stuart Anderson, executive director of the foundation, said most "new entrants" who would become legal residents currently live in the United States. In 20 years, the net total of new entrants would be about 47 million.


    Rector is supported by other groups, including the Center for Immigration Studies and NumbersUSA, two opponents of increased immigration. He said his concern about the number of immigrants is outweighed by the cost.


    According to the Congressional Budget Office, 750,000 immigrants would be eligible to receive food stamps, and 1.3 million would be eligible for some form of Medicaid, in addition to other benefits.


    The cost of providing food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid and visa fees for guest workers would total $5 billion between 2009 and 2016. An additional $6.5 billion would be needed for new residents who unite with families. Providing services to illegal immigrants who become permanent legal residents would cost $10 billion more.

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    • #3
      Im glad to see such an article to reject the scare tactic that those anti-immigrnats group had been saying, so that the american people can see that those people are liars and would say anything so that the american public can turn on the guest worker...so far, bush is doing a good job with vast approaval rating for strong enforcement+guest worker.

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      • #4
        Entire workforce of Mexico is 40 million people and FAIR projects that 200 million more will come here in 20 years - they must be assuming that South and Central America will depopulate eventually (more people will come to US from those countries than the actual number of people in existence there )

        Some of these people need throrough mental check-up, I tell you !

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        • #5
          I just imagined Vincente Fox ,among other Latin American dignitaries, running through US border barefeet and illegally - to fulfill FAIR's prophecy


          Yes, it's all politics , and as Winston Churchill said:

          "The thing I like most about Americans is that they always do the right thing in the end -- they just like to exhaust all the alternatives first."

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          • #6
            I have a feeling we could well get along with 4now if we could sit face-to-face and talk our differences over

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            • #7
              What did you mean about V.Fox running through the border to fulfill the Fair prophecy?
              I meant every single Mexican and Latin American, including and beyond their Presidents, would have to immigrate to US to fulfil the prophecy of FAIR about 200 million additional immigrants in 20 years and half billion in 50 years.

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              • #8
                Jean and others

                These guys always do this with the wrong projected numbers. They are always leaving out statistics to try to make a point.

                They failed to mention programs such as earined income credit, and child tax credit which will cost big buckaroos. 11 million X $4800. child tax credits at $1000 a kid. this info has been purposely ignored. or ignorantly left out or both. Unless these guest workers are going to be excluded from these 2 programs... it is going to eat holes in our pockets.


                "Some of them simply need to be guided and educated -like our friend 4now.."


                There... I just educated them to the facts that they missed and guided them

                you are stillvolving.... but I miss my stilbaby.

                IP
                Can earned income credit evolve into child tax credit

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                • #9
                  Archimedes would be proud of you, 4now

                  Of course you did the most FAIR statistical computations when you excluded all the total contribution of those illegals throughout their lifetime, not just in taxes but also contributions in bringing profit to businessess and society, creating jobs and incomes for others, delivering goods and etc.

                  In your precise super-mathematical FAIR head all that 12 millions universally would do is getting $1000 per US born USC child plus Earned Income Credit

                  What a FAIR Educator!

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                  • #10
                    4now,

                    SA 4136 by Sen. Ensign passed 50-47. This amendment would prohibit anyone granted amnesty from collecting any tax refund or EIC prior to 2006.

                    As Jean2005 has noted, the Senate bill will actually generate revenue and produce a profit. However, it is this very aspect of the bill which may render it unconstitutional and kill it altogether. I'm sure Tancredo already has his "blue-slip" filled out and ready to go.

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                    • #11
                      They bring profit to economy now by spending..they have to eat clothe and entertain. thats a given... no big deal.



                      doesnt have to be USc child for child tax credit. can be 6 itins that arent even in the country. do the math eninstein. this has been happening for many years now.



                      Marikan

                      "SA 4136 by Sen. Ensign passed 50-47. This amendment would prohibit anyone granted amnesty from collecting any tax refund or EIC prior to 2006."



                      2006!!! Thats ridiculous.. Im sorry... thats unacceptable. should be at least a 5 year bar from these programs until they have paid into these programs. where as so many of them will not anyway. by the time standard deduction and exemptions are credited against income ..most likely there will not be any tax due to be paid. No Im not buying it. I have watched these guys in Washington for years screw up with the EIC and Child tax credits. They just dont run it by the right people/ or run it by incomepetents before they make decisions. The we as the taxpayers have to suffer for their poor judgement and insight.


                      Furthermore... what measure would they have to monitor that they could not go back and collect retro eic and child care benefits. Boyscout honor system??? government does not have the means or system to be able to discern this. This too is a crock. You would not believe the disaray this branch is in.


                      The revenue it may generate will not offset the expense and programs that it will ultimately tap into. dont buy into this.

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                      • #12
                        Illegal aliens throwing tantrums in the streets of America while waving Mexican rags and screeching, "Mexico, Mexico, Mexico," is not a profitable endeavor.

                        Ask any American and they will tell you that that constitutes a loss...a great big loss.

                        You can't put a dollar value on the fact that dumb, stupid illegal aliens don't have the intelligence to assimilate.

                        I say: if they love Mexico so much, they won't mind at all when we send them home.

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                        • #13
                          SunDevilUSA your post had "I say: if they love Mexico so much, they won't mind at all when we send them home."

                          "we" = citizens of the United States right ???

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