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  • #31
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
    Huffington Post reports:

    Two focus groups, one by GOP pollster Frank Luntz and another by Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, both declare Obama the winner. Independents in the MediaCurves focus group "gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7."

    And even Time's Mark Halperin weighs in with his grades: Obama A-, McCain B-.

    Even D-ick Morris (!) says Obama won. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Huffington Post is not exactly a well respected independent news/blog/commentary. To find an independent news source is rare. Independent journalists who have as little bias as possible are a dying breed nowadays.

    Neither candidate lands the blow for a clear win in panelists' minds

    Analysis: First debate produces night of contrasts

    McCain vs. Obama: First presidential debate ends in a draw

    Friday's debate was no decisive showdown. But for undecided voters watching, did Obama look too green or McCain too mean?

    I watched the debate. Personally, I think neither won. Obama stuck to his campaggn slogans all night while McCain appeared to be fatiqued and somewhat unprepared. But the debate format really did not accomplish anything. If you were an Obama supporter, you would stick to the point that Obama won. If you are a McCain supporter, you would stck to McCain won. Thus, the debate really never alterned anyone's view of who they should vote for.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre


    • #32
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
      After watching it again I can see why McCain looked disgusted. Obama began lying right out of the box. Saying that Bush created this mess! What a load of garbage. It was the democrats socialistic lending forced on the commercial banking market that created this mess to begin with. If it were me I would have come and said you lying piece of garbage and told the truth instead of being polite </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      And what do you think McShame would have achieved by doing what you say? If he had done his "angry old man" rant, the figures for approval of Obama would have been 100% for, 0% against!

      You just don't get it davdah. The people don't want another Bush style Presidency. The "my way or the highway" approach.

      "I know how to pick a VP!" Can't wait for the VP debate. The Palin massacre </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
      To you Brit,
      would it matter?
      "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre


      • #33
        You can not deny the fact that McCain is a good man, whether you like him or not, whether you are Republican, Independent or Democrat.

        As Palins' gaffes, I wouldn't be too quick in assuming it will work against her.

        It all remains to be seen and recently I even thought McCains' victory is not absolutely inevitable, but all things considered I would still say he has overwhelmingly higher chances to win this election.

        Just wait and see.

        "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit


        • #34

          MCCAIN 68% 197,411
          OBAMA 30% 87,772
          NEITHER 2% 6,842
          Total Votes: 292,025


          • #35
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:As Michael loves to post news from UK and around the world... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Don't you ever refer to me again you low life despicable con artist !!!! The likes of you supporting Obama makes the choice for McCain even clearer !


            • #36
              It is simply disturbing that what is now common fact, accepted by most, continues to be a rock in the shoe for some here, facts are being twisted, sometimes ignored, in order to advance a weak point that has lost all factual support.

              Michael, you need to learn to keep your mouth shut, your behavior is intolerable, offensive and slanderous. You need to control your words before you continue to make a fool fool out of yourself like you have in recent weeks. I'm simply joining the "opinion of the majority" here and as such, I urge the moderators of this board to take immediate action against one of the most repulsive posters this forum has ever known.

              How come religion and other similar beliefs are suddenly an issue in a nation that protects freedom of worship at a Constitutional level? What does that mean? It means that such freedom is embedded in the fabric of the nation and its protection is simply part of the definition of what it means to be an American. It's very sad that I have to come here and explain this to these new group of so-called patriots who can't seem to understand that patriotism is not allegiance to the GOP but to the Constitution itself, yes, that same document some notorious leaders of the Republican party continue to refer to as just a "d-amn piece of paper".

              Patriotism is not torture, is not being sneaky to find a way to work around those "Constitutional inconveniences", it's not being arrogant and being abusive, it does not mean waging wars just to show muscle. Patriotism is not doing what you want in pursue of your goals, it's simply allegiance to that Constitution. Unless the "Valley Forge" oath suddenly changed to require allegiance to Trent Lott and Company, a patriot will defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC.

              Unless anyone here has concrete evidence that Mr. Obama is a criminal, then his particular religious beliefs are protected at a Constitutional level in the very same way that the speech of every single one of us is protected when we make a political remark. So, if you hide behind free speech, well, let me tell you it's that very same First Amendment that protects Mr. Obama. What works for you works for him just as well, that's the beauty of the Constitution.

              I was inspired by his remarks on restoring the good name of the United States, it was refreshing, for once it gave me hope. This is a nation of tradition and values, not a nation of the mentally unstable and the enraged. It's well known that notorious figures such as John Adams and many others have provided us with guidance on moral issues that define American values, such as the protection of civil rights and human rights even in times of conflict. Where are those values now? They have been ignored, stomped upon by this new breed of neocons that seem to regard the Constitution, the very same instrument that allows for their existence, as nothing more than an obstacle to overcome.

              Yes, it's about time to bring this country back on track, it's time to talk about hope and the future, not about more wars, not about more destruction. Who wants to implement "the same Iraq tactics in Afghanistan" for crying out loud? Who wants more American families destroyed because of a meaningless war fought out of greed and to achieve selfish goals?

              It's time to move on and embrace the future, stop living in the past, be it Iraq or Vietnam. it's time to return to what has always made this country great, different and a beacon of hope; the same values embedded in the Constitution, the same ideals the Founding Fathers fought to see realized.


              • #37
                I donno how come people even consider Barak as a competetor with MCcain?
                People soon gonna understand the difference between Barak and MCcain. MCCain is way better than Barak.


                • #38
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                  McCain and Palin are not Christ incarnate. But it is like comparing your lifesyle to that of Iperson. Not perfect but worlds apart.

                  The fact is he lied about his connections. That is what has me concerned. If he were a muslim. Admitted it and explained what his beliefs were I would be willing to listen. But, since he lied. That calls into question everything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Indeed. He is not on the side of Israel. He wants have a friendly chat with Iran who wants to wipe out Israel from this planet. Is something cooking that is so obvious that most Democrats cannot see?
                  If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans

                  Democrats - Brave enough to KILL our unborn, just NOT our ENEMIES!


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