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  • #16
    the last statement should read:

    that does NOT mean this is the "right" thing to do.
    Beware of small expenses. A small leak could sink a big ship.


    • #17
      True. But the majority of the people who live here now, have created laws -- and the rest of the people on the planet have to obey those laws. Otherwise it'll be taken as an "invasion" and met with military force. Laws of the world and how powers are made and lost.

      -= nav =-


      • #18
        Gluhbirne--We don't "blame" our problems on immigrants, but we don't ignore the fact that immigrants in general use welfare at a rate higher than the native born population, that their children tend to live in poverty at a higher rate than native born, etc. Immigrants may not cause our problems, but large numbers of unskilled, uneducated immigrants, legal or illegal, sure add to them. Ignoring that makes you look foolish.

        Would you seriously tell anyone here in the U.S. that the way to be successful (capable of supporting one's self and one's family without public aid) is to drop out of high school and get a job at only slightly above minimum wage? I sure wouldn't. But then why on earth should we import literally millions of people who haven't even a grade school edcuation and are functionally illiterate in their own languages, much less in English? Who require massive infusions of public resources (diverted from providing for our own citizens)?


        • #19
          Bobi--You may have read a book or two, but you sure didn't learn much from them.

          I've read more than a couple (a bachelor's degree plus several graduate degrees), including extensive research on the immigration of my ancestors to this country from what is now Lebanon. I know that my ancestors (who came circa 1900) believed in Americanizing, including following the law. I've read enough to know that maintaining a common cultural base is critical to a country. Lebanon didn't--it tried to juggle Muslim vs. Christian interests, and ended up with a 20+ year civil war it is still feeling the effects of. I've read enough to know that laws and even-handed enforcement of them are also essential. Under the Ottomans, minorities such as Christians and Jews were tolerated, but subjected to taxes and restrictions others were not.


          • #20
            ZabZub--To "steal" property, one must recognize ownership and property rights. Many Native American tribes didn't have such a concept in regard to land.


            • #21
              hahaha...too bad the Indians didnt have high paid lawyers at that time..

              with high paid lawyers, anything and everything can become legal..
              Beware of small expenses. A small leak could sink a big ship.


              • #22
                >Many Native American tribes didn't have such a >concept in regard to land.

                They did. But when faced with an enhanced foreign military staring at you with guns and cannons -- what would YOU do?

                I like how the white folks claimed land from the top of the continent and continued downward until they started seeing mexicans.

                poor mexicans never get a break. hehe.

                -= nav =-


                • #23
                  The Indians did the sensible thing, and got guns of their own, just as they had the great good sense to adapt the use of the horse from the Spanish invaders.

                  Actually, those "white folks" included the Spanish, who were some of the first settlers (Remember, the oldest city in the US is St. Augustine, FL, founded by the SPANISH). There were no "Mexicans" then, just indigenous peoples (Aztecs, Mayans, etc.), who were conquered by the Spanish and whom the government of Mexico continues to oppress.


                  • #24
                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Glühbirne:
                    Look at a US map. How many times larger than Japan is the United States?

                    The Netherlands is the twenty-third most densely populated country in the world. The 16,491,461 Dutchmen and women are concentrated on an area of 41,526 km. Only Bangladesh and South Korea are larger and more densely populated (hence have a larger population), and only Taiwan is smaller and has a larger population (hence a larger population density).

                    As the result of immigration the Netherlands is a multicultural society. In 2005 some 94,000 entered country.

                    Of the 16 million inhabitants of the Netherlands, twenty percent are immigrants. There are "traditional immigrants" – mainly Indonesians, Surinamese, Turks and Moroccans – and 560,000 (former) asylum seekers. These are mainly young people of childbearing age. In Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague half the newborns are of non-Western origin. Dutch women have on average 1.5 children. The number for Moroccan women living in the Netherlands is 3.3.


                    • #25
                      Japan's population declined for the first time since the country began keeping demographic records in 1899, according to preliminary figures released by the government last week. The decrease, which specialists say signals the start of an era of shrinking population, occurred two years earlier than had been expected. However, there is no movement in Japan to open the door to widespread immigration. Japan has one of the world's lowest birthrates, currently 1.29 lifetime births per woman.


                      • #26
                        Among east Asian immigrants in New York City, one person in seven carries the hepatitis B virus, a new study has found. Most of the people tested had no idea that they were infected, a fact that frustrates doctors who know that with proper screening and treatment, the disease can be controlled, if not cured. But three-quarters of the people in the study had no health insurance, and even those who did had trouble getting coverage for screening.

                        The study, led by researchers at New York University School of Medicine, found that 15 percent of east Asians in New York"”as many as 100,000 people"”are chronic hepatitis carriers, with the rate highest among immigrants from China. That infection rate is 35 times the rate found in the general population.

                        Because Hepatitis B is endemic in many Asian countries, growth in the number of Asian immigrants in New York and across the country has made the disease a broad, expensive, emerging health problem. In the 2000 census, there were 800,000 Asians in the city, with roughly half from China.


                        • #27
                          Japan shows no signs of lifting its fortress-like barriers against immigrants. Last year just 15 asylum seekers were given refugee status "” a fraction of those accepted by most developed countries. "When unskilled workers come to Japan they'll bring their families with them. The number is bound to increase," said Jinen Nagase, a senior member of the governing Liberal Democrat Party who sits on the party's labour committee. "They'll create slums and boost the population of uneducated people. And eventually they'll demand the right to vote "” these are problems European countries and USA are facing now "” that's why we are so cautious."


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