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  • acelaw
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    NYCImmParalegal
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    As to Spain, just like Italy, just like the U.K.... the majority of the people in those countries do NOT and have NOT supported the U.S.-led mission to Iraq, which initially was supposed to be about the threat Iraq posed to others with its vast caches of weapons, germs, etc. Since the governments of those countries are elected by their people, it should not come as a big surprise when these governments are replaced with others that actually follow the will of the people

    So now they have been blackmailed into replacing there government by a terrorist act and the terrorist claim victory !!!!You think the world is safer because they gave in to those who seek to kill/take your freedom!!!!????? Showing weakness to these people will only get you dead !!!!


    I think I have every right to dispute how this "war" on terrorism is being conducted. First of all, I do not consider Iraq part of this "war." I do consider the government of Saudi Arabia part of it, though I don't see Dubya and his ilk preparing to invade Riyadh anytime soon... (wonder why...).

    Do you not see the big picture here???? We pulled out of S.A. because we found them to sponsor/fund terrorists (9/11) after spending millions on a military air field there, we need to have a presence in this part of the world to make change and take the battle to them on there turf instead of letting them come here to kill us citizens which is so easy to do, SEE 9/11 video again!!! Weather it be Afghanistan or Iraq solution will not be perfect for you or all concerned but will they be better off then before we came in the end ????We do not occupy countries and force them to think like us!!!!THE USA we give them freedom of choice ,

    And let's talk about Afghanistan... Afghanistan is far from a free country... there are still local mullahs and tribal leaders who are in bed with the Taleban... Women are still wearing burqas. Very little has changed.

    So if we force our way of life on these folks then you would criticize us for going there to take over another country and force our way of life upon them!!!!Or we can let them decide their fate with out wars like they have had for the last 30 years or so????There is no perfect solution to these countries with out forcing them into our way of government , we can only try and keep the peace and let them build their country back!!!!Notice how no one ever said we went to Afghanistan to take oil from them?????They have none!!!But that is the charge you all like to make in Iraq !!!Have we forgot about Kuwait???/ WMD???who cares???/ these folks will be better off in the end !!!

    It's not as if Islam were entirely foreign to the United States. There are plenty of Muslims living in this country, and thousands of them serve in the armed forces. If these people were the ultra-proficient war monsters they are presumed to be when fighting for another country, we would have them organized into specialized Islamic commando squads, but we don't. They serve right alongside our other soldiers, and they blend in.



    There's no question that the prejudicial fears that emanated from the American media gave aid and comfort to the enemy, because Saddam played them for all they were worth. At one point during the conflict, he even warned that American pilots would be shot down and eaten. He must have known at that time what much of the world wouldn't figure out until the war was over: that the caricature that had been drawn of the Iraqis was stronger than the Iraqis were themselves.

    Once the shock and horror of the events of September 11th start to recede into the background, and Americans begin bracing themselves for a full-blown war, we're sure to hear many of the same pessimistic projections repeated. Like the kamikaze pilots, the terrorists who carried out the recent attacks flew willingly to their deaths. This is bound to trigger familiar warnings that we are dealing with an enemy that is not afraid to die.

    If that were true, it would work out just fine. As General Patton told his troops, an American soldier's duty is not to die for his country, but to make his enemies die for theirs. If Osama bin Laden's men are willing to die, then ours will be happy to help them.

    It's a mistake, however, to believe that nearly everyone in bin Laden's organization is ready to welcome death. If that were so, they would assemble an army, declare war, and stand up and fight. Instead, whenever one of the terrorists strikes, his companions run away.

    We're told that terrorist suicide missions are ingrained in these people by their religion, that they believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife for sacrificing themselves in the process of striking a blow against the Great Satan, America. This deeply held religious belief does not seem to have spread to the top of the Islamic terrorists' flow chart, however. Why is Osama bin Laden constantly hiding, eluding confrontation by escaping from one bunker to another? What made Saddam so scarce at the end of the Gulf War, when our intelligence became convinced that he had employed several men to serve as decoys, and possibly be captured or killed in his place? Why did Moammar Khadafy suddenly fade into irrelevance after President Reagan perforated his "line of death" with a swarm of F-111s? Why don't these men stick around and fight to the death? Don't they want to go to heaven too?

    It's unthinkable that the United States could ever launch an unprovoked attack against a defenseless civilian population, as was done at the World Trade Center, but this isn't because we don't have any individual men who would be willing to carry out such an attack. Who doubts that, out of our population of about 280 million, we could find a couple dozen misfits and losers who would be willing to commit suicide in the process of killing thousands of others, guided by a belief that it was the only way to give their own lives significance? The reason it would never happen is that the United States is a moral nation, founded on respect for individual human rights. It's not because there is some genetic distinction between Americans and Arabs that precludes the one from repeating the acts of the other.

    There's a tendency in our pop culture to promote the idea that doing evil makes people stronger than is humanly natural. In films like Fatal Attraction and the over-the-top remake of Cape Fear, the villains withstand injuries that would have killed an ordinary person many times over. In the real world, things just aren't that way. People who commit evil acts are made of flesh and bone just like anyone else. It will not take kryptonite to kill Osama bin Laden; a single, well placed bullet, grenade or missile will do the trick.

    When our enemies are romanticized, it serves to rationalize the type of hostility that Arab-Americans are no doubt experiencing right now. If we were to accept the premise that terrorists commit atrocious acts because their religion and their ethnicity demand it, then how unreasonable would it be to strike a preemptive blow against individuals of that same religion and ethnicity? If people of a certain race are considered natural-born aggressors, then why not attack the people of that race who are in our midst, where we have them outnumbered?

    This is another side of the prejudice exercised by those who presume a superior strength and dedication among America's enemies, but it isn't the only other side. There's also the accompanying presumption of American inferiority. Those who insisted that the Iraqi soldiers would prove to be too tough were also saying that Americans were too weak -- that as a nation we did not have the nerve or the stomach to wage a war, and that our soldiers and sailors did not have the heart or the guts to win it.

    One would hope that the swift and decisive U.S. victory would cause the defeatists to acknowledge their errors, and give our nation and its military the respect they deserve, but don't hold your breath. Not long after that war ended, reports began trickling out which suggested that none of our weapons had really worked all that well, that the targets which had been hit weren't really destroyed, and that, when Saddam Hussein claimed victory, he may have actually had a point -- all of which begs the obvious question: why, then, does Kuwait still exist?

    If there are people in this country who so desperately want to relive the Vietnam years that they will try to turn the historically lopsided victory in the Gulf War into a defeat, then we can only expect more delusional visions of doom as America actively enters the war against terrorism. We can expect Osama bin Laden to be described not just as an evil man, but as a mysterious demonic figure with powers bordering on the supernatural. We can also anticipate warnings that our "boys," having just traded in their surfboards and nerf ***** for guns and rocket launchers, are helplessly overmatched.

    We cannot prevent those things from being said, but we can publicly recognize them for what they are -- symptoms of a prejudice every bit as depraved as that which is held by any ignorant thug who beats up an innocent immigrant.

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  • chuck
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    kjv62..., where are you kjv62????

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  • chuck
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    hey kjv62866---you masde an earlier quote,"It will be a sad day for the world and a great day for those f --- king Islamic Terrorists if John Kerry ever gets elected as president". did you ever stop and think bush and friends did exactly as bin laden planned by pre-emptively attacting iraq and thus creating thousands more bin ladens and al quidas by inflaming muslims worldwide. i suspect the islamic terrorists are hoping bush is reelected. we are now reaping the seeds that we have sown.i believe this to be the worst record of any president in my lifetime.

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  • chuck
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    kjv62803 what is a delusional loser?

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  • kjv62803
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    Chuck - you are a delusional loser.

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  • chuck
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    thanks for the responces to the extra long post about the lead up to the mistake of a premtive war on iraq.

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  • marmaduk
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    I would agree that US should stop sponsoring Israel, there's nothing to gain there. Becoming the ire of the arabs is another thing though, since one way or the other they hate/will hate the US anyway. US represent what the Arabs clerics despise the most when depicting a perfect moslem world.

    As for Israel manipulating US to attack Iraq, please, more than likely its dubya personal vendetta against Saddam that lead to this. Dubya really believes Saddam is a threat to US and need to be deal with.

    As for jewish congressman, most congressman = lawyers, lots of jewish = lawyer, draw a correlation here? Apart of that, I find it hard to believe there's 30% of congresman = Jewish. Besides, if they represent the ppl who choose them, as long as they do their job, it doesn't matter isn't it?

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  • Melanie
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    Every UN resolution condemning Israel is automatically blocked by the United States and US has been over 100 times the only country in the world which blocked UN resolution against Israel.

    Financial and military aid to Israel reached 30 billions dollars per year.

    Any military attack against Israel is automatically treated as an act of war against the United States. However if Israel attacks foreign country US has no obligation to participate in such aggression.

    Microsoft Corporation offers all of its software products (including source code) at much discounted prices to Israel.

    30% of Congressmen are Jewish. Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz are Jewish.

    Powerful Jewish lobby that was raised on the basis of Soviet – American cold war has remained and grew up enormously in power after collapse of the USSR.

    Israel has no extradition treaty that means if any American Jew commits a murder and moves to Israel he cannot be extradited into US for trial – around 12 cases has been noted so far.

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  • kjv62803
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    To Chuck who pasted:

    "Is there any evidence that Israel and its supporters have managed to get the U.S. to fight for its interests?"

    If the interests of Israel are to fight against Islamic terrorists who threaten the peace of the world, then yes.

    Just because the US shares the same or similar interests than Israel, does not mean that we entered into a war on behalf of Israel.

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  • chuck
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    ntparalegal is right on in my opinion. i'm sorry to put you all through this long post but i think it has much merit. i don't mean anything antisemetic by posting this essay, i just think it has merit and want to hear comments. here it is-----



    War on Iraq - Conceived In Israel
    by Stephen J. Sniegoski Saturday February 15, 2003 at 03:04 PM


    Neoconservatives had for some time prior to September 11, 2001 publicly advocated an American war on Iraq. The 9/11 atrocities essentially provided the pretext for carrying out such an activity.

    15 Feb 2003, 11:42 PM


    http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/20030102.php


    War on Iraq - Conceived In Israel

    Stephen J. Sniegoski (*), USA

    In a lengthy article in The American Conservative criticizing the rationale for the projected U.S. attack on Iraq, the veteran diplomatic historian Paul W. Schroeder only noted in passing 'what is possibly the unacknowledged real reason and motive behind the policy - security for Israel.' If Israel's security were the real American motive for war, Schroeder went on: 'It would represent something to my knowledge unique in history. It is common for great powers to try to fight wars by proxy, getting smaller powers to fight for their interests. This would be the first instance I know where a great power (in fact, a superpower) would do the fighting as the proxy of a small client state.'1 Is there any evidence that Israel and its supporters have managed to get the U.S. to fight for its interests?


    The 9/11 attack used

    In coming up with the real motives for the projected war on Iraq, one must ask the critical question: How did the 9/11 terrorist attack lead to the planned war on Iraq, for which there is no real evidence that it was involved in the 9/11 terrorism? It can be observed that from that from the time of the 9/11 attack, neoconservatives, of primarily (though not exclusively) Jewish ethnicity and right-wing Zionist persuasion, tried to make use of the 9/11 attack to achieve a broad war against Islamic terrorism, which coincided with the enemies of Israel.


    The neoconservatives and Israel

    Although the term neoconservative is in common usage, a brief description of the group might be helpful. Many of the first generation neoconservatives were originally liberal Democrats, or even socialists and Marxists, often Trotskyites. They drifted to the right in the 1960s and 1970s as the Democratic Party moved to the anti-war McGovernite left. And concern for Israel loomed large in their change. As political scientist, Benjamin Ginsberg puts it: 'One major factor that drew them inexorably to the right was their attachment to Israel and their growing frustration during the 1960s with a Democratic party that was becoming increasingly opposed to American military preparedness and increasingly enamored of Third World causes [e.g., Palestinian rights]. In the Reaganite right's hard-line anti-communism, commitment to American military strength, and willingness to intervene politically and militarily in the affairs of other nations to promote democratic values (and American interests), neocons found a political movement that would guarantee Israel's security.'2


    War against Iraq at Israel's behest?

    Neoconservatives had for some time prior to September 11, 2001 publicly advocated an American war on Iraq. The 9/11 atrocities essentially provided the pretext for carrying out such an activity. The idea that neoconservatives are the motivating force behind the United States movement for war has been broached by a number of commentators. For instance, Joshua Micah Marshall authored an article in The Washington Monthly entitled: 'Bomb Saddam?: How the obsession of a few neocon hawks became the central goal of U.S. foreign policy.' And Kathleen and Bill Christison wrote in the leftist e-journal CounterPunch: 'The suggestion that the war with Iraq is being planned at Israel's behest, or at the instigation of policymakers whose main motivation is trying to create a secure environment for Israel, is strong. Many Israeli analysts believe this. The Israeli commentator Akiva Eldar recently observed frankly in a Ha'aretz column that Perle, Feith, and their fellow strategists 'are walking a fine line between their loyalty to American governments and Israeli interests.' The suggestion of dual loyalties is not a verboten subject in the Israeli press, as it is in the United States. Peace activist Uri Avnery, who knows Israeli Prime Minister Sharon well, has written that Sharon has long planned grandiose schemes for restructuring the Middle East and that 'the winds blowing now in Washington remind me of Sharon. I have absolutely no proof that the Bushies got their ideas from him . But the style is the same.' 3


    In the following essay an effort has been made to flesh out this thesis and to show the linkage between the war position of the neoconservatives and what has been long-time strategy of the Israeli right, if not of the Israeli mainstream itself. Essentially, the idea of a Middle East war had been bandied about in Israel for many years as a means of enhancing Israeli security, which revolves around an ultimate solution to the Palestinian problem.


    Deportation of Palestinians: 'What is inconceivable in normal times is possible in revolutionary times'

    To understand why Israeli leaders would want a Middle East war, it is first necessary to take a brief look at the history of Zionist movement and its goals. Despite public rhetoric to the contrary, the idea of expelling the indigenous Palestinian population (euphemistically referred to as a '') was an integral part of the Zionist effort to found a Jewish national state in Palestine. 'The idea of transfer had accompanied the Zionist movement from its very beginnings, first appearing in Theodore Herzl's ' historian Tom Segev observes. 'In practice, the Zionistists began executing a mini-transfer from the time they began purchasing the land and evacuating the Arab tenants ... ''Disappearing'' the Arabs lay at the heart of the Zionist dream, and was also a necessary condition of its existence ... With few exceptions, none of the Zionists disputed the desirability of forced transfer - or its morality.' However, the Zionist leaders learned not to publicly proclaim their mass expulsion intent because 'this would cause the Zionists to lose the 's sympathy.'4 The key issue was to find an opportune time to initiate the mass expulsion process that would not incur the world's condemnation. In the late 1930s, Ben-Gurion would write: 'What is inconceivable in normal times is possible in revolutionary times; and if at this time the opportunity is missed and what is possible in such great hours is not carried out - a whole world is ''5 The 'revolutionary times' would come with the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948, when the Zionists were able to expel 750,000 Palestinians (more than 80 percent of the indigenous population), and thus achieve an overwhelmingly Jewish state, though the area did not include the entirety of Palestine, or the 'Land of Israel', which Zionist leaders thought necessary for a viable state. The opportunity to grab additional land took place as a result of the 1967 war; however, the occupation of the additional territory brought the problem of a large Palestinian population. World opinion was now totally opposed to forced population transfers, equating such an activity with the unspeakable horror of Nazism. The landmark Fourth Geneva Convention, ratified in 1949, had 'unequivocally prohibited deportation' of civilians under occupation.6 Since the 1967 war, the major issue in Israeli politics has been what to do with that territory and its Palestinian population.


    It was during the 1980s, with the coming to power of the rightwing Likud government, that the idea of expulsion publicly resurfaced. And this time it was directly tied to a larger war, with destabilization of the Middle East seen as a precondition for Palestinian expulsion. Such a proposal, including Palestinian population removal, was outlined in an article by Oded Yinon, entitled 'A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s,' which appeared in the World Zionist Organization's periodical Kivunim in February 1982. Oded Yinon, had been attached to the Foreign Ministry and his article undoubtedly reflected high-level thinking in the Israeli military and intelligence establishment. The article called for Israel to bring about the dissolution and fragmentation of the Arab states into a mosaic of ethnic groupings. Thinking along these lines, Ariel Sharon stated on March 24, 1988 that if the Palestinian uprising continued, Israel would have to make war on its Arab neighbors. The war, he stated, would provide 'the circumstances' for the removal of the entire Palestinian population from the West Bank and Gaza and even from inside Israel proper.7


    Israeli foreign policy expert Yehoshafat Harkabi critiqued the war/expulsion scenario - 'Israeli intentions to impose a Pax Israelica on the Middle East, to dominate the Arab countries and treat them harshly' - in his very significant work, Israel's Fateful Hour, published in 1988. Writing from a realist perspective, Harkabi believed that Israel did not have the power to achieve this goal, given the strength of the Arab states, the large Palestinian population involved, and the vehement opposition of world opinion. Harkabi hoped that 'the failed Israeli attempt to impose a new order in the weakest Arab state - Lebanon - will disabuse people of similar ambitions in other territories.'8 Left unconsidered by Harkabi was the possibility that the United States would act as Israel's proxy to achieve this goal.


    Securing oil supply

    In the 1970s and 1980s, the US Middle Eastern policy, although sympathetic to Israel, was not identical to that of Israel. The fundamental goal of United States policy was to promote stable governments in the Middle East that would allow the oil to flow to the Western industrial nations To allow the oil flow, it was not necessary for these governments to befriend Israel - in fact they could openly oppose the Jewish state. The United States worked for peace between Israel and the Arab states but a peace that would accommodate the demands of the Arab nations - most crucially involving the Palestinians.


    US support for the Iraq in its war against Iran

    In its policy of ensuring the security of Middle East oil supplies, the U.S. by the mid-1980s was heavily supporting Iraq in its war against Iran, although for awhile the United States also had provided some aid to Iran (the Iran-Contra scandal). Ironically, Donald Rumsfeld served as the U.S. envoy who paved the way for the restoration of relations with Iraq in 1983, which had been severed in 1967. The U.S. along with other western nations looked upon Iraq as a bulwark against the radical Islamism of the Ayatollah's Iran, which threatened western oil interests. U.S. support for Iraq included intelligence information, military equipment, and agricultural credits. And the U.S. deployed the largest naval force since the Vietnam War in the Gulf, ostensibly for the purpose of protecting oil tankers, but which engaged in serious attacks on Iran's navy. It should be added that it was during this period of U.S. support that Iraq used poisonous gas against the Iranians and the Kurds, which the U.S. government and its media supporters now describe as so horrendous. In fact, United States intelligence information facilitated the Iraqi use of poison gas against the Iranians. In addition, the United States eased up on its own technology export restrictions to Iraq, which allowed the Iraqis to import supercomputers, machine tools, poisonous chemicals, and even strains of anthrax and bubonic plague. In short, the United States helped arm Iraq with the very horrific weaponry that administration officials are now trumpeting as justification for Saddam's forcible removal from power.9


    When the Iran/Iraq war ended in 1988, the United States continued its support for Iraq, showering it with military hardware, advanced technology, and agricultural credits. The United States apparently looked to Saddam to maintain stability in the Gulf. With Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in August 1990, American policy would swiftly change. And neoconservatives were hawkish in generating support for a U.S. war against Iraq. The Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, headed by Richard Perle, was set up to promote the war.10 And neoconservative war hawks such as Frank Gaffney, Jr., Richard Perle, A. M. Rosenthal, William Safire, and The Wall Street Journal held that America's war objective should not simply be driving Iraq out of Iran but also destroying Iraq's military potential, especially its capacity to develop nuclear weapons. The Bush administration embraced this position.11 More than this, the neoconservatives hoped that the war would lead to the removal of Saddam Hussein and the American occupation of Iraq. However, despite the urging of then Defense Secretary Richard Cheney and Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz to adopt a military plan to invade Iraq, this was never done because of the opposition from General Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and General Norman Schwarzkopf, the field commander.12 Moreover, the U.S. had a UN mandate to liberate Kuwait, not to remove Saddam. To attempt the latter would have caused the warring coalition to fall apart. America's coalition partners in the region, especially Turkey and Saudi Arabia, feared that the elimination of Saddam's government would cause Iraq to fragment into warring ethnic and religious groups. This could have involved a Kurdish rebellion in Iraq that would have spread to Turkey's own restive Kurdish population and the Iraq Shi'ites falling under the influence of Iran that would have increased the threat of Islamic radicalism in the region.


    Not only did the Bush administration dash neoconservative hopes by leaving Saddam in place, but its proposed 'New World Order,' as implemented by Secretary of State James Baker, conflicted with neoconservative/Israeli goals, being oriented toward placating the Arab coalition that supported the war. This entailed an effort to curb Israeli control of its occupied territories. The Bush administration demanded that Israel halt constructing new settlements in the occupied territories as a condition to receive $10 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for the resettlement of hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the former Soviet Union. Although Bush would cave in to American pro-Zionist pressure just prior to the November 1992 election, his resistance disaffected many neoconservatives, causing some such as William Safire to back Bill Clinton in the election of 1992.13


    During the Clinton administration neoconservatives promoted their views from a strong interlocking network of think tanks - such as the American Enterpise Institute (AEI), Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), Hudson Institute, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Middle East Forum, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), Center for Security Policy (CSP) - which have had great influence in the media and staff Republican administrations. Some of these organizations were originally set up by mainline conservatives and taken over by neoconservatives;14 others were established by neoconservatives, with some of them having a direct Israeli connection. For example, Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence was a co-founder of the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri). And these various organizations have been closely connected. For example, the other co-founder of Memri, Meyrav Wurmser, was a member of the Hudson Institute, while her husband, David Wurmser, headed the Middle East studies department of AEI. Richard Perle was both a 'resident fellow' at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and a trustee of the Hudson Institute.15


    The power of influential individuals

    A recent article by Jason Vest in the The Nation discusses the immense power of individuals from two major neoconservative research organizations, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and the Center for Security Policy (CSP), in the current Bush Administration. Vest details the close links between these organizations, right-wing politicians, arms merchants, military men, Jewish multi-millionaires/billionaires, and Republican administrations.16


    Regarding JINSA, Vest writes:


    'Founded in 1976 by neoconservatives concerned that the United States might not be able to provide Israel with adequate military supplies in the event of another Arab-Israeli war, over the past twenty-five years JINSA has gone from a loose-knit proto-group to a $1.4-million-a-year operation with a formidable array of Washington power players on its rolls. Until the beginning of the current Bush Administration, JINSA's board of advisers included such heavy hitters as **** Cheney, John Bolton (now Under Secretary of State for Arms Control) and Douglas Feith, the third-highest-ranking executive in the Pentagon. Both Perle and former Director of Central Intelligence James Woolsey, two of the loudest voices in the attack-Iraq chorus, are still on the board, as are such Reagan-era relics as Jeane Kirkpatrick, Eugene Rostow and [Michael] Ledeen - Oliver North's Iran/ contra liaison with the Israelis.'17


    Vest notes that 'dozens' of JINSA and CPSU 'members have ascended to powerful government posts, where their advocacy in support of the same agenda continues, abetted by the out-of-government adjuncts from which they came. Industrious and persistent, they've managed to weave a number of issues - support for national missile defense, opposition to arms control treaties, championing of wasteful weapons systems, arms aid to Turkey and American unilateralism in general - into a hard line, with support for the Israeli right at its core.' And Vest continues: 'On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war - not just with Iraq, but 'total war,' as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it last year. For this crew, 'regime change' by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative.'18


    Support for the Israeli Right

    Let's recapitulate Vest's major points. The JINSA/CSP network has 'support for the Israeli right at its core.' In line with the views of the Israeli right, it has advocated a Middle Eastern war to eliminate the enemies of Israel. And members of the JINSA/CSP network have gained influential foreign policy positions in Republican administrations, most especially in the current administration of George W. Bush.


    A clear illustration of the neoconservative thinking on war on Iraq was a 1996 paper developed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and others published by an Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, entitled 'A clean break: a new strategy for securing the realm.' It was intended as a political blueprint for the incoming government of Benjamin Netanyahu. The paper stated that Netanyahu should 'make a clean break' with the Oslo peace process and reassert Israel's claim to the West Bank and Gaza. It presented a plan by which Israel would 'shape its strategic environment', beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad, which would serve as a first step towards eliminating the anti-Israeli governments of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.19 It is to be noted that these Americans - Perle, Feith, and Wurmser - were advising a foreign government and that they currently are connected to the George W. Bush administration: Perle is head of the Defense Policy Board; Feith is Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy; and Wurmser is special assistant to State Department chief arms control negotiator John Bolton. And it is noteworthy that while in 1996 Israel was to 'shape its strategic environment' by removing its enemies, the same individuals are now proposing that the United States shape the Middle East environment by removing Israel's enemies. It would seem that the United States is to serve as Israel's proxy to advance Israeli interests.


    War on Iraq demanded already in 1998

    On February 19, 1998, the neoconservative Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf in an 'Open Letter to the President,' proposed 'a comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime.' The letter continued: 'It will not be easy - and the course of action we favor is not without its problems and perils. But we believe the vital national interests of our country require the United States to [adopt such a strategy].' Among the letter's signers were the following current Bush Administration officials: Elliott Abrams (National Security Council), Richard Armitage (State Department), John Bolton (State Department), Doug Feith (Defense Department), Fred Ikle (Defense Policy Board), Zalmay Khalilzad (White House), Peter Rodman (Defense Department), Donald Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense), Paul Wolfowitz (Defense Department), David Wurmser (State Department), Dov Zakheim (Defense Department), and Richard Perle (Defense Policy Board).20 Note that Rumsfeld was part of the neoconservative network and already demanding war with Iraq.21


    Signers of the letter also included such pro-Zionist and neoconservative luminaries as Robert Kagan, William Kristol, Frank Gaffney (Director, Center for Security Policy), Joshua Murav**** (American Enterprise Institute), Martin Peretz (Editor-in-Chief, The New Republic), Leon Wieseltier, (The New Republic), former congressman Stephen Solarz.22 President Clinton would only go so far as to support the Iraq Liberation Act, which allocated ninety-seven million dollars for training and military equipment for the Iraqi opposition.23


    In September 2000, the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC)24 issued a report, 'Rebuilding America's defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century,' which envisioned an expanded global posture for the United States. In regard to the Middle East, the report called for an increased American military presence in the Gulf, whether Saddam was in power or not, maintaining that: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'25 The project's participants included individuals who would play leading roles in the Bush administration: **** Cheney (vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense), Paul Wolfowitz (Deputy Secretary of Defense), and Lewis Libby (Vice President Cheney's chief of staff). Weekly Standard editor William Kristol was also a co-author.


    The strategists Wolfowitz and Perle

    In order to directly influence White House policy, Wolfowitz and Perle managed to obtain leading roles in Bush foreign policy/national security advisory team for the 2000 campaign. Headed by Soviet specialist Condoleezza Rice, the team was referred to as 'the Vulcans.' Having no direct experience and little knowledge of foreign policy, as illustrated by his gaffes - confusing Slovakia with Slovenia, referring to Greeks as 'Grecians' and failing a pop quiz on the names of four foreign leaders - George W. Bush would have to rely heavily on his advisers. 'His foreign policy team,' neoconservative Robert Kagan observed, 'will be critically important to determining what his policies are.' And as columnist Robert Novak noted: 'Since Rice lacks a clear track record on Middle East matters, Wolfowitz and Perle will probably weigh in most on Middle East policy.'26 In short, Wolfowitz and Perle would provide the know-nothing Bush with a foreign policy for the Middle East. And certainly such right-wing Zionist views would be reinforced by Cheney and Rumsfeld and the multitude of other neoconservatives who would inundate his administration.


    Upon taking office, neoconservatives would fill the key positions in the administration involving defense and foreign policy. On Donald Rumsfeld's staff are Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Under Secretary for Policy Douglas Feith. On Cheney's staff, the principal neoconservatives include Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, Eric Edelman, and John Hannah. And it should be added that Cheney, with his long-time neoconservative connections and views has played a significant role in shaping administration foreign policy.27


    Richard Perle is often described as the most influential foreign-policy neoconservative, their eminence grise.28 During the 1970s, Perle gained notice as a top aide to Senator Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (Democrat, Washingon), who was one of the Senate's most anti-Communist and pro-Israeli members. During the 1980s, Perle served as deputy secretary of defense under Reagan, where his hardline anti-Soviet positions, especially his opposition to any form of arms control, earned him the moniker 'Prince of Darkness' from his enemies. His friends, however, considered him, as one put it, 'one of the most wonderful people in Washington.' That Perle is known as a man of great intellect, a gracious and generous host, a witty companion, and a loyal ally helps to explain his prestige in neoconservative circles.29 Perle is not only an exponent of pro-Zionist views, but has had close connections with Israel, being a personal friend of Ariel Sharon's, a board member of the Jerusalem Post, and an ex-employee of the Israeli weapon manufacturer Soltam. According to author Seymour M. Hersh, while Perle was a congressional aide for Jackson, FBI wiretaps had picked up Perle providing classified information from the National Security Council to the Israeli embassy.30


    Although not technically part of the Bush administration, Perle holds the unpaid chairmanship of the Defense Policy Board. In this position, Perle has access to classified documents and close contacts with the admini­stration leadership. As an article in Salon puts it: 'Formerly an obscure civilian board designed to provide the secretary of defense with non-binding advice on a whole range of military issues, the Defense Policy Board, now stacked with unabashed Iraq hawks, has become a quasi-lobbying organization whose primary objective appears to be waging war with Iraq.'31


    Sharon's policy of mass expulsion of Palestinians

    As the Bush administration came into office in January 2001, press reports in Israel quoted government officials and politicians speaking openly of mass expulsion of the Palestinians. The new Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (elected to office in February 2001), noted for his ruthlessness, had said in the past that Jordan should become the Palestinian state where Palestinians removed from Israeli territory would be relocated.32 There was increased public concern about demographic changes that threatened the Jewish nature of the Israeli state. Haifa University professor Arnon Sofer released the study, 'Demography of Eretz Israel,' which predicted that by 2020 non-Jews would be a majority of 58 percent in Israel and the occupied territories.33 Moreover, it was recognized that the overall increase in population was going beyond that which the land, with its limited supply of water, can maintain.34


    It appeared to some that Sharon intended to achieve expulsion through militant means. As one left-wing analyst put it at the time: 'One big war with transfer at its end - this is the plan of the hawks who indeed almost reached the moment of its implementation.'35 In summer 2001, the authoritative Jane's Information Group reported that Israel had completed planning for a massive and bloody invasion of the Occupied Territories, involving 'air strikes by F-15 and F-16 fighter bombers, a heavy artillery bombardment, and then an attack by a combined force of 30,000 men ... tank brigades and infantry.' It would seem that such bold strikes signified far more than simply removing Arafat and the PLO leadership. But the U.S. vetoed the plan and Europe made equally plain its opposition to Sharon's plans.36 As one close observer of the Israeli-Palestinian scene presciently noted in August 2001, 'it is only in the current political climate that such expulsion plans cannot be put into operation. As hot as the political climate is at the moment, clearly the time is not yet ripe for drastic action. However, if the temperature were raised even higher, actions inconceivable at present might be possible.'37 Once again, 'revolutionary times' were necessary for Israel to achieve its policy goals. And then came the September 11 attacks.


    September 11: 'revolutionary times'

    The September 11 atrocities provided the 'revolutionary times,' in which Israel could undertake radical measures unacceptable during normal conditions. When asked what the attack would do for U.S.-Israeli relations, former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded: 'It's very good.' Then he edited himself: 'Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.' Netanyahu correctly predicted that the attack would 'strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.' Prime Minister Ariel Sharon placed Israel in the same position as the United States, referring to the attack as an assault on 'our common values' and declaring, 'I believe together we can defeat these forces of evil.'38 In the eyes of Israeli's leaders, the September 11 attack had joined the United States and Israeli together against a common enemy. And that enemy was not in far off Afghanistan, but was geographically close to Israel. Israel's traditional enemies would now become America's as well. And Israel would have a better chance of dealing with the Palestinians under the cover of a 'war on terrorism.'


    Immediately after the 911 attacks, the neoconservatives began to publicly push for a wider war on terrorism that would immediately deal with Israel's enemies. For example, columnist William Safire held that the real terrorists that America should focus on were not groups of religious fanatics, 'But Iraqi scientists today working feverishly in hidden biological laboratories and underground nuclear facilities [who] would, if undisturbed, enable the hate-driven, power-crazed Saddam to kill millions. That capability would transform him from a boxed-in bully into a rampant world power.'39


    Within the administration, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz clearly implied a broader war against existing governments when he said: 'I think one has to say it's not just simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism. And that's why it has to be a broad and sustained campaign. It's not going to stop if a few criminals are taken care of.'40


    'Friendly Relations Declaration'

    Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, 24 October 1970


    [...] Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such threats or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.


    A war of aggression constitutes a crime against the peace, for which there is responsibility under international law.


    In accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, States have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression.


    Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.



    New formula: war on terrorism

    On September 20, 2001, neoconservatives of the Project for the New American Century sent a letter to President Bush endorsing the war on terrorism and stressing that the removal of Saddam Hussein was an essential part of that war. They maintained that 'even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.' Furthermore, the letter opined that if Syria and Iran failed to stop all support for Hezbollah, the United States should 'consider appropriate measures against these known sponsors of terrorism.' Among the letter's signatories were such neoconservative luminaries as William Kristol, Midge Decter, Eliot Cohen, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Robert Kagan, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Martin Peretz, Norman Podhoretz, Stephen J. Solarz, and Leon Wieseltier.41


    Afghanistan just the opening battle

    In the October 29 issue of The Weekly Standard, Robert Kagan and William Kristol predicted a wider Middle Eastern war. 'When all is said and done, the conflict in Afghanistan will be to the war on terrorism what the North Africa campaign was to World War II: an essential beginning on the path to victory. But compared with what looms over the horizon - a wide-ranging war in locales from Central Asia to the Middle East and, unfortunately, back again to the United States - Afghanistan will prove but an opening battle. ... But this war will not end in Afghanistan. It is going to spread and engulf a number of countries in conflicts of varying intensity. It could well require the use of American military power in multiple places simultaneously. It is going to resemble the clash of civilizations that everyone has hoped to avoid.'42 It would seem that Kagan and Kristol look forward to this gigantic conflagration.


    In a November 20, 2002 article in The Wall Street Journal, Eliot A. Cohen would dub the conflict 'World War IV,' a term picked up by other neoconservatives. Cohen proclaimed that 'The enemy in this war is not ''terrorism'' ... but militant Islam. ... Afghanistan constitutes just one front in World War IV, and the battles there just one ' Cohen not only called for a United States attack on Iraq but also for the elimination of the Islamic regime in Iran, which 'would be no less important a victory in this war than the annihilation of bin Laden.'43


    War propaganda of Neoconservative

    Critics of a wider war in the Middle East were quick to notice the neoconservative war propaganda effort. In analyzing the situation in September, paleoconservative44 Scott McConnell would write: 'For the neoconservatives, however, bin Laden is but a sideshow . ... They hope to use September 11 as pretext for opening a wider war in the Middle East. Their prime, but not only, target is Saddam Hussein's Iraq, even if Iraq has nothing to do with the World Trade Center assault.'45


    However, McConnell mistakenly considered the neocon position to be a minority one within the Bush administration, as he wrote: 'The neo-con wish list is a recipe for igniting a huge conflagration between the United States and countries throughout the Arab world, with consequences no one could reasonably pretend to calculate. Support for such a war - which could turn quite easily into a global war - is a minority position within the Bush administration (assistant secretary of state Paul Wolfowitz is its main advocate) and the country. But it presently dominates the main organs of conservative journalistic opinion, the Wall Street Journal, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Washington Times, as well as Marty Peretz's neoliberal New Republic. In a volatile situation, such organs of opinion could matter.'46


    Expressing a similar view, veteran columnist Georgie Anne Geyer observed: 'The ''Get Iraq'' campaign ... started within days of the September bombings . ... It emerged first and particularly from pro-Israeli hard-liners in the Pentagon such as Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and adviser Richard Perle, but also from hard-line neoconservatives, and some journalists and congressmen.


    Soon it became clear that many, although not all, were in the group that is commonly called in diplomatic and political circles the ''Israeli-firsters,'' meaning that they would always put Israeli policy, or even their perception of it, above anything else.' Within the Bush administration, Geyer believed that this line of thinking was 'being contained by cool heads in the administration, but that could change at any time.'47


    Neoconservatives have presented the September 11 atrocities as a lightning bolt to make President Bush aware of his destiny to destroy the evil of world terrorism. In the religious (ironically Christian) terminology of Norman Podhoretz, 'a transformed - or, more precisely, a transfigured - George W.Bush appeared before us. In an earlier article in these pages, I suggested, perhaps presumptuously, that out of the blackness of smoke and fiery death let loose by September 11, a kind of revelation, blazing with a very different fire of its own, lit up the recesses of Bush's mind and heart and soul. Which is to say that, having previously been unsure as to why he should have been chosen to become President of the United States, George W.Bush now knew that the God to whom, as a born-again Christian, he had earlier committed himself had put him in the Oval Office for a purpose. He had put him there to lead a war against the evil of terrorism.'48


    In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there was internal debate within the administration regarding the scope of the 'war on terrorism.' According to Bob Woodward's Bush at War, as early as the day after the attacks, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld 'raised the question of attacking Iraq. Why shouldn't we go against Iraq, not just al Qaeda? he asked. Rumsfeld was speaking not only for himself when he raised the question. His deputy, Paul D. Wolfowitz was committed to a policy that would make Iraq a principal target of the first round in the war on terrorism.'49


    Woodward continued that 'the terrorist attacks of September 11 gave the U.S. a new window to go after Hussein.' On September 15, Wolfowitz put forth military arguments to justify a U.S. attack on Iraq rather than Afghanistan. Wolfowitz expressed the view that 'attacking Afghanistan would be uncertain.' He voiced the fear that American troops would be 'bogged down in mountain fighting. ... In contrast, Iraq, was a brittle, oppressive regime that might break easily. It was doable.'50


    However, the neoconservatives were not able to achieve their goal of a wider war at the outset, in part due to the opposition of Secretary of State Powell, who held that the war should focus on the actual perpetrators of September 11. (It might be added that this was how most Americans actually viewed the war.) Perhaps Powell's most telling argument was his allegation that an American attack on Iraq would lack international support. He claimed that that if the United States were victorious in Afghanistan, it would enhance its ability to deal militarily with Iraq at a later time, 'if we can prove that Iraq had a role' in September 11.51


    Powell diverged from the neoconservative hawks in his emphasis on the need for international support, as opposed to American unilateralism, but an even greater difference was his contention that the 'war on terror' had to be directly linked to the perpetrators of September 11 - Osama bin Laden's network. Powell publicly repudiated Wolfowitz's call for 'ending states' with the response that 'We're after ending terrorism. And if there are states and regimes, nations, that support terrorism, we hope to persuade them that it is in their interest to stop doing that. But I think ''ending terrorism'' is where I would leave it and let Mr. Wolfowitz speak for himself.'52


    'Top secret': war against Iraq already planned on 17 September 2001

    Very significantly, however, while the 'war on terrorism' would not begin with an attack on Iraq, military plans were being made for just such an endeavor. A 'top secret' document outlining the war plan for Afghanistan, which President Bush signed on September 17, 2001, included, as a minor point, instructions to the Pentagon to also start making plans for an attack on Iraq.53


    Bush's public pronouncements would show a rapid evolution in the direction of expanding the war to Iraq. On November 21, 2001, in a speech at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, Bush proclaimed that 'Afghanistan is just the beginning of the war against terror. There are other terrorists who threaten America and our friends, and there are other nations willing to sponsor them. We will not be secure as a nation until all these threats are defeated. Across the world, and across the years, we will fight these evil ones, and we will win.'54


    On November 26, in response to a question as to whether Iraq was a terrorist nation that he had in mind, the President responded: 'Well, my message is, is that if you harbor a terrorist, ''re a terrorist. If you feed a terrorist, you're a terrorist. If you develop weapons of mass destruction that you want to terrorize the world, you'll be held accountable.' Note that Bush included possession of weapons of mass destruction as an indicator of 'terrorism.' And none of this terrorist activity necessarily related to the September 11 attacks.55


    The 'axis of evil' - an invention by David Frum, Bush's speechwriter

    The transformation to the wider war was complete with Bush's January 29, 2002 State of the Union speech, in which the 'war on terrorism' was officially decoupled from the specific events of 9/11. Bush did not even mention bin Laden or al Qaeda. The danger now was said to come primarily from three countries - Iran, Iraq, and North Korea - which he dubbed 'an axis of evil,' who allegedly threatened the world with their weapons of mass destruction. According to Bush, 'States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.'56 The phrase 'axis of evil' was coined by Bush's neoconservative speechwriter, David Frum.57


    By April 2002, President Bush was publicly declaring that American policy was 'regime change' in Iraq. And in June, he stated that the United States would launch preemptive strikes on those countries that threatened the United States.58 According to what passes as the conventional wisdom, Iraq now posed such a threat. Moreover, by the spring of 2002, Army General Tommy R. Franks, commander of U. S. Central Command, began giving Bush private briefings every three or four weeks on the war planning for Iraq.59


    Neoconservatives both within and outside of the administration sought a unilateral U.S. attack on Iraq that would not be encumbered by the conflicting goals of any coalition partners. This was countered by the efforts of Secretary of State Powell to persuade President Bush that United Nation's sanction would be necessary to justify a United States attack, which the President ultimately found persuasive. While this slowed the rush to war, it represented a move by Powell away from his original position that war on Iraq should only be made if it were proven to have been involved in the September 11 terrorism.


    UN resolution 1441

    The UN Security Council decided that UN inspectors, with sweeping inspection powers, would determine whether Iraq was violating its pledge to destroy all of its weapons of mass destruction. UN Security Council Resolution 1441 of November 8, 2002 places the burden of proof on Iraq to show that it no longer possesses weapons of mass destruction. Resolution 1441 states that any false statements or omissions in the Iraqi weapons declaration would constitute a further material breach by Iraq of its obligations. This could set in motion discussions by the Security Council on considering the use of military force against Iraq. While some have claimed that this might mean that war would be put off,60 it allows the United States to use the new UN resolution as a legal justification for war. In fact, the United States could choose to enforce the resolution through war without additional UN authorization. As reporter Robert Fisk writes: 'The United Nations can debate any Iraqi non-compliance with weapons inspectors, but the United States will decide whether Iraq has breached UN resolutions. In other words, America can declare war without UN permission.'61


    Top military figures hesitant - neoconservatives command

    Neoconservatives have not only determined the foreign policy for the attack on Iraq but have played a role in the military strategy as well. Top military figures, including members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, initially expressed opposition to the whole idea of war against Iraq.62 Richard Perle and other neoconservatives have for some time held that toppling Saddam would require little military effort or risk. They pushed for a war strategy dubbed 'inside-out' that would involve attacking Baghdad and a couple of other key cities with a very small number of airborne troops, with some estimates ranging as low as five thousand. Achieving these goals, according to the plan's supporters, would cause Saddam's regime to collapse. American military leaders adamantly opposed this approach as too risky, offering in its stead a plan to use a much larger number of troops - around 250,000 - that would attack Iraq in a more conventional manner from its neighboring countries (à la the Gulf War). Perle and the neoconservatives feared that no neighboring country would provide these bases so that this approach would likely mean that no war would be initiated or that during the lengthy time needed to assemble this large force, war opposition would reach a point as to make war politically impossible. Perle angrily responded to the military's demure by saying that the decision to attack Iraq was 'a political judgment that these guys aren't competent to make'.63 Cheney and Rumsfeld went even ****her referring to the generals as 'cowards' for being insufficiently gung-ho regarding an Iraq invasion.64


    Now one might be tempted to attribute the rejection of the military's caution to insane hubris on the part of Perle and the neoconservative crowd - how could those amateurs deign to know more about military strategy than professional military men? But Richard Perle may be many things but stupid is not one of these. Perle undoubtedly has thought through the implications of his plan. And it is apparent that the 'inside-out' option would be a win-win proposition from Perle's perspective. Let's assume that it works - that a few American troops can capture some strategic areas and the Iraqi army quickly folds. Then Perle and the neoconservatives appear as military geniuses who would have free reign to prepare a series of additional low-cost wars in the Middle East.


    But, on the other hand, let's assume that the invasion is a complete fiasco. The American troops are defeated in the cities. Many are captured and paraded around for all the world to see via television. Saddam makes bombastic speeches about defeating the American aggressor. All the Arab and Islamic world celebrates the American defeat. American flags are burned in massive anti-American celebrations throughout the Middle East. And all of this is viewed by Americans on their television screens. America is totally humiliated. It looks like a paper tiger. What would be the American reaction? It would be like Pearl Harbor in engendering hatred of the enemy in the hearts of average Americans. The public would demand that American honor and prestige be avenged. They would accept the idea fed to them by the neoconservative propagandists that the war was one between America and Islam. Total war would be unleashed, which would involve heavy bombing of cities. And the air attacks could easily move from Iraq to the other neighboring Islamic states. A war of conquest and extermination would be the neoconservatives fondest dream since it would serve to destroy all of Israel's enemies in the Middle East. (It now appears, however, that the Pentagon has augmented the magnitude of the Iraq strike force so as to reduce the risk of the aforementioned scenario.)65


    Charter of the United Nations

    'Art. 2. The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following


    Principles.


    1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.


    2. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resul

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  • kjv62803
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    Melanie: Wow!!! what a twisted, warped sense of perspective you have. God help us all.

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  • Melanie
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    No of you really understands what was behind the war on Iraq.

    Since there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and Iraq was not a threat to the United States then why we attacked?

    US does not mind many regimes in Latin America or Africa than it was not a war for democracy as well.

    Iraq was a small threat to Israel and they ordered J. W. Bush to disarm Iraq by using American taxpayer money and scarifying more than 500 American lives – no shekel was spent and no Israeli died.

    Bush sent Americans to protect Israel interest at American expense.

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  • 4now
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    "These people are not human and they all deserve to die anyway" per Michael

    I presume you are speaking about Daddy Bush & Jr Bush for the war crimes and inhumanities that they are guilty of. & for their insatiable thirst for Money, Drugs and Power AKA oil

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    I agree that we should not have wasted 500 American lives in Iraq. 3 or 4 nuclear bombs would have done nicely and we could have sent a single to the terrorists and then just marched in and taken the oil fields. These people are not human and they all deserve to die anyway. Saddam wasn't all bad - he killed about half a million Iraqis and another half million Iranians so that was one good thing he did.

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    2 Thumbs up.. Way up. Couldnt have said it better myself.

    Melanie: "Why did the current admin. do that"

    It was GW Bush Birthday/Christmas present for Daddy. He just tried to cover it up with those weapons of mass distraction. Well Actually he pulled it off b/c most americans seem to be buying it. Revenge is a driving force. Why he couldnt just give a new Tie like most kids.

    Oil is the second. Greed is a powerful force.


    Kjv:
    "No one knows for sure that he didnt have these weapons"

    And your point is???? Still what is the connection to 9/11. its called When you cant
    d a z z le them with brilliance.. Baffle them with bullsh*t! Ossama WHO???? (gone and forgotten)the only name America knows right now is SADDAM.& of course he is in custody ..so America is safe. I am a great President.

    Allies? thats joke. Allies are only as good as the pocket goes deep. Don't forget USA help give Saddam the power when they were in bed with him during the iran years. then when he decided he wanted that little beachfront property.. they said hmmmm. Same deal as afghanistan like nyparalegal said. Check ur history.. always the same with US. buy & sell.

    Allies... Look what Daddy Bush did to gather allies .. He relieved billions of dollars debt that South America owed so they would say they supported US. Same with Germany & Japan and everybody who owed US money. Jr. Bush is doing the same. "The apple doesnt fall far from the tree". And be assured the Big apple (& I dont mean New York) is still running this show.

    You wondering about Libyia... $$$$$$$ & oil

    Khadafi is old now. Still a brilliant man, but no longer has a viable vision that he once had. Hopefully it appears his vision is to see his country prosper again and be opened back up to the world. but if Arabics had listened to him years ago to unite as one nation.. No way would USA been able to invade Iraq like that.
    Besides... what do you think he has. Weapons of Mass obsolesence. This is a ruse... smell something here... Tune in tommorow.

    If you want to know who USA is going to be hating on next.. just keep an eye on who they are building up and giving power to. Its a never ending story.

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