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  • jean2005
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    One thing that needs to be said is that, there are a lot of people that rushed to the mexican-US border once they heard the president talk about amnesty in 2004...Thats really when the big mexican rush to the borders started and i suspect a lot of people wont be eligible to apply under the new bill.

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  • sunnyjohn
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    I think this is MORE than fair. Nobody gets automatic citizenship, unless of course they gain it for US military service during wartime (posthumously or otherwise).

    Those that have been here for over 10 years know the ropes. They should be fortunate that they have a leg up on their compatriots and easily be able to fill the requirements of the bill.

    People with 5+ years frankly should be the LEADERS of the movement to assure the preservation of the native culture and the push toward promotion of the new American Identity. There is nothing wrong of being proud and honouring of your past, but be sure to embrace your future.

    Those here more than 10 years should become the new business leaders, politicians and thinkers of American society.

    Lets not be greedy.

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  • Lerka Я
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    Not fair, we need 2 more groups, those who have been here for more than 10 years-get GC, and those more than 15 years-get USC now!

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  • jean2005
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    Looks fair enought..Now, all that needs to be modify is to open the gate for the visa waiver entries , to allow them to apply for the amnesty..Under current immigration law, visa waiver entries had no right for court hearing or adjustment of status, so they will have to fix this.

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  • Serj
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    Frist bill:


    Those who had been in the country the longest, more than five years, would not be required to return to their home country before gaining legal status. They would be subject to several tests, including the payment of fines and back taxes, and be required to submit to a background check, according to these officials.


    Illegal immigrants in the United States less than five years but more than two would be required to go to a border point of entry, briefly leave and then be readmitted to the United States. As with the longer-term illegal immigrants, other steps would be required for re-entry, after which they could begin seeking citizenship, these officials said.


    Illegal immigrants in the United States less than two years would be required to leave the country and join any other foreign residents seeking legal entry

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  • jean2005
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    Well, the good news is that senators durbin and kennedy have joined the negotiations and both of them agrees that the broader kennedy/mccain bill which put about 9 mil on a path to citizenship unless they fall off the cliff and commits some kind of crimes which would disqualify them.

    The bad news is , minority leader, senator reid migh be upset that his bill will be filubuster and might attemtp to have all democracts to fillubuster he frist bill + guest worker.This will kill immigration if reid decides to do that.

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  • sunnyjohn
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    I've always liked Senator Chuck Hagel and Sen Ben Nelson. I'm not from Nebraska but i lived in the state for 6 years.

    I'm not a Republican, but I would vote for Chuck Hagel for President in a heartbeat!

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  • jean2005
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    i havent seen anything on the haguel/martinez guest worker provision that includes the dream act, as of yet...

    I also think that dividing the group into 3 cateories is very fair..People that have been living inside the US for longer, should get a slighty better shot at this?

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  • sunnyjohn
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    I think this is a pretty fair compromise. As long as it includes the "Dream Act" kids who have just attended school or college and not worked its MORE than fair.

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  • jean2005
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    Im having a hard time understanding this..so what the kennedy/mccain bill will be expected to die this morning after the clutcher vote righ?? then haguel/martinez are expected to lay a guest worker plan into's frist bill??

    My question is, would frist even allow them to pu the guest worker in his bill since he has publicly said he's for enforcement-only?

    my second question is, what happens to agjobs and dream act?...well, dream act will be intact since people that have been inside the US for longer then 5 years, will be able o stay, but what if those people do not have a job and just attends school????

    My final question is, if this passes by the weekend, how long will the house wait to go on the senate-house conference, then vote..will it be a long process..could the bill pass get enacted before july?

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  • AliBA
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    Talking about personal agendas...do you see the illegal alien supporters who have been protesting supporting this? Particularly those who have been here less than five years?! Actually, less than five years as of Jan. 2004 You can bet support there will be driven by THEIR personal agendas. I predict quite a bit of dissension among those who would be eligible and those who are not--or, as Houston said, who can't manage good fraudulent documents to prove it.

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  • Houston
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    The physical presence requirement is something that could be beneficial but it must be handled carefully. This particular provision could trigger levels of fraud never before seen.
    It seems there's a group in the Senate with no interest in any kind of reasoning and act only in strict accordance to personal political agendas and goals.

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  • boyan
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    Here is a link:

    http://www.today.reuters.com/investi...N-UPDATE-3.XML

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  • Lerka Я
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    They even managed to confuse others

    The Republican alternative would separate the population into three groups depending on how long they lived in the United States as of January 2004. Those in the country longer than five years would be eligible for citizenship along the lines contained in the Judiciary Committee bill, aides said.

    Those who have lived two to five years in the United States would have six months to register and three years to apply for a temporary work visa or some other visa, aides said. They could live in the country legally during that time but would have to return to a U.S. port of entry to get the visa.

    Illegal immigrants in the country less than two years would not be eligible for special treatment and would have to leave, aides said.

    I am very fine with that

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  • boyan
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    Pay attention. First they filed the Martinez amedment then filed for cloture of Frist's bill then they said that tomorrows vote will fail and they will continue the debate on Frist bill that will include the amendment sponsored by Martinez(the guest worker one)

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