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    Majority on Hill back plan for aliens
    By Stephen Dinan
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    March 4, 2006


    Republicans and Democrats in Congress would accept a guest-worker plan, according to a new poll that found more than 70 percent of senators and representatives supporting the idea.
    The National Journal Insiders Poll, a survey of members of Congress, found both parties are ready to accept a plan that would allow more foreigners to legally come to work in the United States.
    Support was 73 percent among Republicans and 77 percent among Democrats.
    "There's a clear bipartisan consensus behind a temporary-worker program," said Don Stewart, spokesman for Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican. "Now comes the more difficult task of actually doing something about it."
    He said that's because the agreement on a guest-worker program belies the wide range of possible programs.
    Mr. Cornyn's own proposal, sponsored along with Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican, would set up a three-year cycle under which foreign workers could come for two years then return home for a year. They could renew for two additional cycles, but the program would not provide a path to citizenship.
    The proposal also gives illegal aliens now in the country five years to leave and no options for a path to citizenship.
    That proposal stands in contrast to the multi-step path to citizenship envisioned by Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
    Their worker program would last six years and be open to both new workers and current illegal aliens. Both would have the chance to apply for permanent residency and then citizenship at the end of the program.
    The Insiders Poll printed some of the responses from members of Congress, without naming them, and the divide over the issue was clear.
    "Ten million [aliens] ain't going anywhere," one Democrat said. "Wake up and smell the coffee, and start a guest-worker program with a pathway for citizenship."
    But a Republican, who also said a guest-worker program could pass, stressed the need for a "delicate balance to ensure that our borders are secure and workers coming to America do so temporarily."

    One Democrat who supported a guest-worker program said there's little chance of success.
    "The reality is that the prospects of a guest-worker bill are dead," the Democrat said. "The Republican base is too animated over immigration, and the Dubai fiasco will embolden them to further separate from the president."
    The Insiders Poll surveyed 111 members of Congress. On the guest-worker question, 84 responded -- 41 Republicans and 43 Democrats.
    In July the Insiders Poll found that immigration and border security topped the list of issues "most on the minds of your constituents these days" for Republicans in Congress.
    In that poll, 17 of 37 Republicans put immigration tops, far above the No. 2 issue of the economy. For Democrats, though, immigration was at the top of the list for just two of the 35 members who responded.

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    Majority on Hill back plan for aliens
    By Stephen Dinan
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    March 4, 2006


    Republicans and Democrats in Congress would accept a guest-worker plan, according to a new poll that found more than 70 percent of senators and representatives supporting the idea.
    The National Journal Insiders Poll, a survey of members of Congress, found both parties are ready to accept a plan that would allow more foreigners to legally come to work in the United States.
    Support was 73 percent among Republicans and 77 percent among Democrats.
    "There's a clear bipartisan consensus behind a temporary-worker program," said Don Stewart, spokesman for Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican. "Now comes the more difficult task of actually doing something about it."
    He said that's because the agreement on a guest-worker program belies the wide range of possible programs.
    Mr. Cornyn's own proposal, sponsored along with Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican, would set up a three-year cycle under which foreign workers could come for two years then return home for a year. They could renew for two additional cycles, but the program would not provide a path to citizenship.
    The proposal also gives illegal aliens now in the country five years to leave and no options for a path to citizenship.
    That proposal stands in contrast to the multi-step path to citizenship envisioned by Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
    Their worker program would last six years and be open to both new workers and current illegal aliens. Both would have the chance to apply for permanent residency and then citizenship at the end of the program.
    The Insiders Poll printed some of the responses from members of Congress, without naming them, and the divide over the issue was clear.
    "Ten million [aliens] ain't going anywhere," one Democrat said. "Wake up and smell the coffee, and start a guest-worker program with a pathway for citizenship."
    But a Republican, who also said a guest-worker program could pass, stressed the need for a "delicate balance to ensure that our borders are secure and workers coming to America do so temporarily."

    One Democrat who supported a guest-worker program said there's little chance of success.
    "The reality is that the prospects of a guest-worker bill are dead," the Democrat said. "The Republican base is too animated over immigration, and the Dubai fiasco will embolden them to further separate from the president."
    The Insiders Poll surveyed 111 members of Congress. On the guest-worker question, 84 responded -- 41 Republicans and 43 Democrats.
    In July the Insiders Poll found that immigration and border security topped the list of issues "most on the minds of your constituents these days" for Republicans in Congress.
    In that poll, 17 of 37 Republicans put immigration tops, far above the No. 2 issue of the economy. For Democrats, though, immigration was at the top of the list for just two of the 35 members who responded.

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    • #3
      This polls clearly shows that the votes are here to pass a guest-plan in both chambers, unlike what some people suggested.I believe the Specter's bill will survive to see march 27th, all it needs is a few twicks here and there before going for a vote on the full senate floor, and if it gets to this point, then game is over, because i just cant see people voting against a bill that will secure the border and take care of the 11 million migrants that are already here...Remember that any bill that passes the senate will not be put on a full vote on the house floor, but will be discussed in a close door hearing for compromises, and if it gets to that point, i just dont see no way it doesnt reach the president desk because the president will use his muscle at that point and make it clear to those hard liners that the game is over and its time for him to take the bill home to the white house so he could sign...Remember, whatever bill passes the Senate will directly go to the president's desk.

      Also, it is clear to those lawmakers that enforcement-only which will felonize 11 million people and put them in the same box with hard core killers and rapist, and a bill that will even felonize a priest for helping a poor migrant, is not acceptable and will make america look bad in the eyes of the world.We are suppose to be a counry that welcomes immigrants, not on that is desperate to kick 11 millions migrants out without even caring a bit.

      A least, this article makes it clear that the majority of lawmakers in washington agrees that mass deportation is not even being discussed here, and trying to look for a reasonable way to make those 11 millions people come out the shadow is the way to go.

      God bless America,God bless all undocumented migrants.

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      • #4
        Agin, if you read the article, you will understand that this is not a Democrat-Republican battle..This is a republican + democrats vs extremist racist immigrant bashers lawmakers which only consist of a few dozens in the House...This group is in the minority and shouldnt be a problem to overcome.

        Lets do some math..Now you have 70% of republican + 70plus% of democrats supporting a guest-plan for migrants..Now if you do the mouth, you will notice that a guest-plan is a guarantee clean passage throught both houses..It's not even close people, the votes have always been there. The only reason why the anti- immigrant house bill passed last year, was because lawmakers just wanted to vote for anything that would prove to their constutuent that they were moving on immigrations, but this move was not the correct move...The right move is a comprehensive immigration bill that will fix our immigration system.

        And, remember that a lot of lawmakers in the house were begged into voting yes on this horrible bill and promised that the senate will pass a more comprehensive bill in 2006 so that the president could sign into law.

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        • #5
          To Albatross23,' Well SaidI could not have said it any better, and God Bless you to for your commpassion for people in need, this is what this discussion board is about to help, not to immoralize and belittle anyone ,keep up the good work, and keep posting.

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          • #6
            It's not about the numbers , but all about the ENERGY.
            Think of Velocity.. of Momentum.. of Dynamics.. of Termo-Dynamics..

            As of now the Energy that would be required to pass President Bushs' proposal is lacking.

            And it won't be there anytime soon.

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            • #7
              I sincerily feels like most of those lawmakers just want to get this immigration mess behind them once and for all because it is such a diversive subject, and most of them will vote for the guest-plan just to put an end to it..We all know that the votes are here, we have more then enought to get it throught, all we need is fix the specter bill, maybe add some more enforcement which will add more support for it, whyle adjusting the guest worker permit and add a path to citizenship to certain migrants .Maybe for the one that had been present since 94, 10 plus years.

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              • #8
                We also know that an "enforcement-only" bill has zero support in congress and will never pass the Senate because of strong opposition by moderate republicans like Mccain and the full democratic party, which rebukes any bill that does not include a guest permit and ignores the 11 million people,and lets not forget that such a bill will instantly felonize millions and millions of people overnight and overload our police stations by asking them o, not only chase hard core criminal, but to also chase mcdonald workers, hotel room cleaners etc etc, people that does not pose a threat to the US security

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                • #9
                  If you'd ever had much experience matching what people say in polls to what they actually do, you'd find that there's a big gap. For politicians, you can bet they'd claim a lot in a poll, where their identities are hidden, than they'd ever say or do where their consituents would hold them accountable.

                  (A number of these so-called "polls" are actually propaganda, trying to spin the issue and influence legislators to vote in a certain way.)

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