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    I think acelaw has nothing else going on in his life but this website.And who is really reading those boring(YAAAAAAWN)copy and paste B$$$$it!!!
    Get a life acelaw!!!!

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    Not only is he boring, he can't follow a discussion very well at all. I guess it's a reading comprehension problem. For example, the discussion was about illegals obtaining welfare and he goes and posts something about US citizen children obtaining it. What does US citizen children getting welfare have to do with illegals? Nothing at all. ;-)

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    Acelaw has to be the single most boring writer on all boards everywhere. Can you only cut and paste acelaw ... do you not have a real opinion????? No doubt you will respond to this with another boring article you copied. YAWN!!!

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    Ya RIGHT, look at Calif. its a cesspool and Bankrupt.

    Total costs for providing services to the citizen children of illegal aliens cannot be clearly estimated. However, it is clear that a substantial number of persons come to San Diego County with the express purpose of obtaining citizenship and public benefits without regard for the laws controlling immigration
    DECEMBER 13, 1995

    Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department's Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County's assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

    To put the concerns of the County of San Diego into some perspective, you will recall that the International Border in San Diego County experiences the world's largest number of crossings, totaling over 70 million crossings per year. This border sector also has the highest number of apprehensions of illegal aliens anywhere in the United States. Studies estimate 1.6 million illegal aliens enter the United States annually through San Diego County, making the impact on our region enormous.

    Impacts on San Dien County

    In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

    Welfare Costs. When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.

    Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

    Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

    Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs. Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego county has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

    Criminal justice. A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

    According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

    Education. Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.


    Total costs for providing services to the citizen children of illegal aliens cannot be clearly estimated. However, it is clear that a substantial number of persons come to San Diego County with the express purpose of obtaining citizenship and public benefits without regard for the laws controlling immigration. The benefits accruing to citizens are an attraction to illegal aliens and represent a great cost to our County. San Diego County, and many others are facing a financial crisis of critical proportions. Expenditures for services are growing at a frightening rate, with no end in sight. It is the decisions made here in Washington that are often the basis for demands on local government. It is the conclusion of the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Diego that extending public benefits to those who have entered the country illegally is improper. To resolve many of the problems faced by San Diego County, we strongly urge the federal government to take the following actions:

    (1) Reserve citizenship for children of U.S. citizens and those whose presence in this country is legal under immigration laws.

    (2) Substantially increase resources provided to the Immigration and Naturalization Service and to theBorder Patrol to control illegal immigration on the border.

    (3) Deny eligibility for health, educational, and social services to illegal aliens.

    (4) Fully compensate Local Agencies for any costs incurred in providing public services to illegal aliens and their children born in this country.

    The County of San Diego Appreciates the opportunity to provide input to your subcommittee and is encouraged by the interest the subcommittee has shown in the problems caused by the granting of citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Please contact me if you or your staff need further information..

    Judiciary Homepage


    posted July 18, 2003 11:40 AM
    Results in Brief In fiscal year 1995, about $1.1 billion in AFDC and Food Stamp benefits

    were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his

    or her citizen child. This amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC

    and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs. A vast majority of the

    households receiving these benefits resided in a few states"”85 percent of

    the AFDC households were in California, New York, Texas, and Arizona; 81

    percent of Food Stamp households were in California, Texas, and Arizona.

    California households alone accounted for $720 million of the combined

    AFDC and Food Stamp benefit costs, with such households representing

    about 10 percent of the state's AFDC and Food Stamp caseloads. Although

    illegal aliens also received SSI and HUD housing assistance for their citizen

    children, data to develop estimates for these two programs were not


    > New Immigrants Masters at Food Stamp Fraud
    > Thursday, November 28, 2002
    > By Matt Hayes
    > After he'd gone 90 days without payment, my law
    firm informed Shihad that we could do no more on his case until he made a payment.
    He pulled a wad of food stamps our of his wallet and said, "Give me some time to sell these. Shihad, who'd won his asylum case a few months
    earlier, might have been eligible for food stamps, but he wasn't eligible to sell them. No one is. It's a crime. "Shihad," I said, "I'm withdrawing. You're trying to pay me with the proceeds of a crime."
    The commonness of food stamp fraud among America's
    new immigrants is staggering. Many recent immigrants do not even
    understand that selling food stamps is a crime, representing, as they do, a form of individualized assistance. Most look at food stamps as just one more thing to
    barter, so for between 10 and 80 cents on the dollar, they are
    converted to cash. Never mind that the food stamp was invented to prevent public
    assistance, formerly given in cash, from being frittered away on non-food items
    How much money is lost each year to food stamp
    fraud? About $30 million, according to the best estimate provided by the
    Washington Department of Social and Health Services. But recent immigrants are not just selling the food stamps they receive, they profit from it, too.
    Large scale food stamp fraud came to light in an
    explosive way in 1996, when authorities in Ohio discovered that a Jordanian man and his uncle had deposited $24 million in purchased food stamps in the bank accounts associated with their chain of food and video stores. Just before authorities descended on them with arrest warrants, they deeded their property over to their
    wives, which included $300,000 homes, and fled to Jordan.
    More recently, food stamp fraud has been refined by
    "asylees" -- asylum seekers -- fleeing Somalia, where rampant starvation serves as the basis of those asylum claims. Asylees are one of a very small number of immigrant groups who are normally eligible for foodstamps. Last year, according to documents filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office with the District Court in Seattle, Wash., a ring of Somali couples based in Washington leveraged their skills into a multi-layered public assistance fraud that even involved cash payments from the government. One of the couples netted $40,000 in food stamp
    fraud alone. Be comforted that the United States was not their only
    victim. The ring claimed residences on both sides of the border, and Canada, too, was taken for many tens of thousands of dollars.
    Food stamp fraud has taken on more sinister
    dimensions within the last year and a half. Last autumn, the FBI determined that the Somali asylee community in Seattle, set with food stamps and other forms of public assistance,
    > was targeted by the Al-Barakaat Wire Transfer company, a wire
    transfer and hawala banking outfit with known connections to Al Qaeda. Al-Barakaat set up a storefront in Seattle and immediately went to work selling Qat, a mild narcotic popular with Somalis, and converting food stamps to money for Somalis to send back to their relatives in Somalia. The FBI believes Al-Barakaat
    skimmed tens of millions of dollars off of the proceeds of these two activities, and funneled it directly to Al Qaeda.
    According to the testimony provided by New York
    City detectives to a U.S. Senate subcommittee in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, corporate America has been victimized by precisely the same dynamic with coupon fraud, unwittingly funding terrorism by as much as $125 million annually.
    Financial relationships of trust -- applications
    for public assistance that require the truthful disclosure of income
    information, a store's capacity to deposit for payment only those food stamps that have actually been exchanged for food or coupons that have been presented in connection
    with the actual sale of a consumer item -- are often completely alien to new immigrants.
    Many new immigrants have told me that they simply cannot believe that
    the government trusts them to honestly provide their income information
    on a food stamp application. America is entirely too loose with its money, and its new immigrants know it. As recent raids and prosecutions have shown, greater oversight of programs like the one that makes food stamps readily available to new immigrants is crucial. A week after I told Shihad that I'd filed to withdraw from his case, he returned to get a copy of his file. He'd been able to sell the food stamps, he told me, and had received enough to retain a new lawyer.
    Matt Hayes began practicing immigration law shortly
    after graduating from Pace University School of Law in 1994, representing new immigrants in civil and criminal matters. He recently left the New York City law practice he founded in 1997 for the "more normal life" of insurance
    defense, and is co-author of The New Immigration Law and Practice, a textbook to be pubished by West Legal Publications in October, 2003.
    > Respond to the Writer

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    maybe the immigrants will give them a bigger support for the elections,if people could understand that the illegals are here and they will stay , why not get taxes, let them sign a waiver that they will not get any finacial help for a number of years,because the first thing
    that will come up is welfare ! but illegals can Not ask for welfare anyway . I truly hope people
    would think for a second and see where their grandparents came from we are ALL immigrants ,
    We all came here in the hope for a better life and future

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    Interesting, but I doubt it will pass.

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